Playing God: Eufemiano Fuentes

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

That is one senile crusty old clown.

Dead Wish, what part are we already?

 

[Chef_Vodnik]

Luigi did pretty well today...

Wasn't aware Dekker rode today?

 

[hrotha]

That is one senile crusty old clown.

Senile? Not at all.

He sees a sentence coming. Maybe harsher than he expected. He's reminding everyone that he has dirty laundry on them.

I bet he has a recording ready in case he mysteriously dies.

 

[del1962]

Wasn't aware Dekker rode today?

I think the implication is Luigi isn't Dekker

 

[Beech Mtn]

Senile? Not at all.

He sees a sentence coming. Maybe harsher than he expected. He's reminding everyone that he has dirty laundry on them.

I bet he has a recording ready in case he mysteriously dies.

This is what I don't get re Fuentes - given how his uncle died, why does he take all these crazy risks? Obviously he loves the media attention, but why taunt scary people so much?

 

[ElChingon]

This is what I don't get re Fuentes - given how his uncle died, why does he take all these crazy risks? Obviously he loves the media attention, but why taunt scary people so much?

He obviously didn't want to die just as poor. Remember he drove a Porsche to do his rounds with the riders, not mister low key.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Senile? Not at all.

He sees a sentence coming. Maybe harsher than he expected. He's reminding everyone that he has dirty laundry on them.

I bet he has a recording ready in case he mysteriously dies.

I don't know about the recording, but I agree it's brinksmanship time. The flip-side of this is he could believe (right or wrong) that he gets away with no penalties and he's talking victorious trash.

My suspicion is Spain has the equivalent of a national doping program and Fuentes was there for much of it.

 

[D-Queued]

...

Spain has a national doping program, involving no less than the Prime Minister in the Contador case minimally. Fuentes was a key supplier and a key example of the program's embodiment and tacit governmental support having relied upon the national health service to fulfill his obligations.

I think you meant to say this, but may have been concerned about the appropriate level of conditional tense. Given that this rephrasing is stating known fact, we can drop the conditional.

Dave.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

He obviously didn't want to die just as poor. Remember he drove a Porsche to do his rounds with the riders, not mister low key.

Sounds like he has a Ferrari esque ego. The difference would seem Ferrari was very smart at what he did in an evil way whereas Fuentes couldn't even label blood bags correctly.

If he does have an ego then he might want to take credit for masterminding some athletes doping programmes.

IMO, you can hear a pride in Victor Conte's voice when he talks about the success of some people he doped, it seems a common theme with these guys.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

@mattslaterbbc: Eufemiano Fuentes has just told Spanish radio that Real Madrid owes him money for work he did 2007-09...pin out of grenade time

What I don't get is that when I searched for Lance Armstrong on google news after he was stripped by USADA there were 2000 articles on google news.

I search for Eufemiano Fuentes on google news and there is 13 articles. The press should be all over this.

 

[manafana]

really hoping he writes tell all book at some stage.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Wasn't aware Dekker rode today?

He didn't, Luigi did...

 

[Berzin]

Also if that list a few pages back is correct then CONI messed up. One blood bag for Valverde. Just one and they went solely after him because of Basso. Look how many he had in total for combined blood and plasma. Ridiculous. The names they need to find are the ones with multiple blood bags. Get them first.

Basso's ride in the 2006 Giro should put paid to whether he had blood bags administered during the race. He went from 28th place the year before to one of the most dominant grand tours in recent Giro history, a spectacular turn of form which we've never seen from him again.

 

[Cyivel]

What I don't get is that when I searched for Lance Armstrong on google news after he was stripped by USADA there were 2000 articles on google news.

I search for Eufemiano Fuentes on google news and there is 13 articles. The press should be all over this.

It's on the front page of the BBC website, Guardian and others have covered it, they still can only report that it's a debt and what Real have claimed it is for but I don't think it's being ignored.

Edit: From a UK centric pov at least

 

[Berzin]

Ask yourselves what Real Madrid, one of the wealthiest football teams on Earth, would want with medical advice from a doctor trained in gynecology for an all-male team.

 

[Granville57]

Well, if Fuentes keeps on talking, then Real Madrid is going to be f'cked. So who better to consult for that?

 

[hrotha]

Basso's ride in the 2006 Giro should put paid to whether he had blood bags administered during the race. He went from 28th place the year before to one of the most dominant grand tours in recent Giro history, a spectacular turn of form which we've never seen from him again.

That reasoning is a bit silly, considering he was super strong in 2005 and only finished 28th because, in all probability, he botched up a transfusion or some other treatment.

 

[The Hitch]

Senile? Not at all.

He sees a sentence coming. Maybe harsher than he expected. He's reminding everyone that he has dirty laundry on them.

I bet he has a recording ready in case he mysteriously dies.

Does he have dirty laundry on them? What could he have? If he just says that he doped them its his - some old scientist, word against the National Saint and a bunch of other guys who provided Spain with what is seen as its most important historical event.

Theres not a person in Spain who doesnt know the name, nickname, dob, height, weight, and favorite shampoo, of every single person who played for the national team in that world cup. Some guy they never heard of comes out and says they doped. Who they gonna believe?

 

[will10]

Basso's ride in the 2006 Giro should put paid to whether he had blood bags administered during the race. He went from 28th place the year before to one of the most dominant grand tours in recent Giro history, a spectacular turn of form which we've never seen from him again.

Basso was already the strongest guy in the race in 2005.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Seems an interesting new development, Real Madrid are apparently planning to sue the Doctor:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...entre-Operation-Puerto.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Seems a very aggressive move for a club with apparently nothing to hide (although I don't think anyone in the clinic thinks that's the case).

It seemed they had managed to use spin and PR, coupled with some spineless reporting to dismiss Fuentes radio interview as saying he worked for them in the Le Monde case.

Provoking Fuentes might be a bad he idea, he seems a loose cannon.

 

[del1962]

Seems an interesting new development, Real Madrid are apparently planning to sue the Doctor:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...entre-Operation-Puerto.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Seems a very aggressive move for a club with apparently nothing to hide (although I don't think anyone in the clinic thinks that's the case).

It seemed they had managed to use spin and PR, coupled with some spineless reporting to dismiss Fuentes radio interview as saying he worked for them in the Le Monde case.

Provoking Fuentes might be a bad he idea, he seems a loose cannon.

What was the Le Monde case?

 

[The Hitch]

What was the Le Monde case?

A Lemonde journalist said he saw the Fuentes files and that Barcelona and Real Madrids training plans were in them.

Barcelona said it was defamation and sued Le Monde. barca won. Le Monde had to pay 400 grand to Barca and print an apology in their newspaper. To real it was 300.

 

[poupou]

A Lemonde journalist said he saw the Fuentes files and that Barcelona and Real Madrids training plans were in them.

Not only, journalist said that Fuentes himself confirmed the finding, and then retracted his words after article was published followed by death threat for Fuentes.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Fuentes effectively backtracking on his earlier statements.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20....fuentes.real.madrid.127/index.html?mobile=no

Probably more pressure applied to Fuentes behind the scenes than just the threat of a lawsuit.

 

[hrotha]

Fuentes effectively backtracking on his earlier statements.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20....fuentes.real.madrid.127/index.html?mobile=no

Probably more pressure applied to Fuentes behind the scenes than just the threat of a lawsuit.

Or maybe he got the assurances he wanted from the right people. I get the feeling it's Fuentes applying the pressure here.