Playing God: Eufemiano Fuentes

[will10]

Seems an interesting new development, Real Madrid are apparently planning to sue the Doctor:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...entre-Operation-Puerto.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Seems a very aggressive move for a club with apparently nothing to hide (although I don't think anyone in the clinic thinks that's the case).

It seemed they had managed to use spin and PR, coupled with some spineless reporting to dismiss Fuentes radio interview as saying he worked for them in the Le Monde case.

Provoking Fuentes might be a bad he idea, he seems a loose cannon.

eh, it worked for Lance. For a while.

 

[coinneach]

This guy is a Walter Mitty character, now facing a well deserved jail sentence.

I really don't think people should get excited about what he is saying or not saying at this stage.

Nor do I think he should be trusted.

It is vital the judge allows the remaining blood bags to go to Wada for independent investigation.

 

[del1962]

This guy is a Walter Mitty character, now facing a well deserved jail sentence.

I really don't think people should get excited about what he is saying or not saying at this stage.

Nor do I think he should be trusted.

It is vital the judge allows the remaining blood bags to go to Wada for independent investigation.

Exactly I trust WADA's tests more the Fuentes Gob

 

[wirral]

Perhaps the debt is not a financial debt but rather an indebtedness, a favour owed. I am sure that Real Madrid could have a good chance of lightening his sentence in some way. They would have the contacts.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

So when the case is concluded and the judge decides what to do with the remaining blood bags.

If they are handed over to WADA and they find some leads with regards to football and tennis, will they be fully investigated with these sports not fully subscribing to the WADA code?

 

[del1962]

So when the case is concluded and the judge decides what to do with the remaining blood bags.

If they are handed over to WADA and they find some leads with regards to football and tennis, will they be fully investigated with these sports not fully subscribing to the WADA code?

Don't you have to subscribe to the WADA code for Olympic sports? Or have I missed something?

 

[peterst6906]

Don't you have to subscribe to the WADA code for Olympic sports? Or have I missed something?

Not necessarily, there are other ways the WADA Code can apply to a sport, even if the sport has not signed up to the code directly.

Firstly, government anti-doping legislation can give effect to the WADA code for sports in a country and/or sports that receive government funding.

In Australia for example, as a member of the UNESCO Anti-Doping Convention (along with 172 other states - including Spain), Australia has a National Anti-Doping Scheme (NAD Scheme) that implements the WADA code for all sports.

So for example, Rugby League is not a signatory to the WADA Code directly, but as it receives funding from the Commonwealth and is a registered sporting body in Australia, the NAD Scheme (and hence WADA Code) applies to it.

That is why there is currently a lot of nervous people in Rugby League with regards the draft of the 2015 code, which could see at least 1 and possibly more teams excluded from competition for 2 years.

Secondly, a sporting federation itself, even if not a signatory, can implement the code through its own policies.

With tennis and soccer/football as they are both Olympic sports, I am not exactly sure what the arrangement is. Certainly the ITF indicate that the WADA Code applies to them and FIFA's program has been congratulated by WADA in the the past as it is apparently in line with the WADA Code also.

So whether players registered through an international federation (eg. the ITF) could be subject to prosecution in a particular country (eg. Spain) I am not sure, but if the investigation turns up sufficient evidence, I would think the Spanish would liaise with the relevant Federation so that appropriate sanctions could be implemented. If a player however is registered in a national federation, then the applying of sanctions should be easy.

Some References to the above:

http://www.unesco.org/new/en/social...rnational-convention-against-doping-in-sport/

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0018/001884/188405e.pdf

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/C2012C00045/Html/Text#_Toc311740578

http://m.news.com.au/RugbyLeague/fi1876721.htm

http://www.itftennis.com/antidoping/rules/wada-code.aspx

http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/footballdevelopment/medical/media/news/newsid=1386399/index.html

 

[Lanark]

Juan Antionio Flecha was also a Fuentes client, De Volkskrant reports this morning. He went by the name Classicomano.

 

[TomasC]

Juan Antionio Flecha was also a Fuentes client, De Volkskrant reports this morning. He went by the name Classicomano.

How many Clasicomanos did Fuentes have? There are way too many candidates for that nickname

 

[Lanark]

How many Clasicomanos did Fuentes have? There are way too many candidates for that nickname

Probably two Classicomano, who is Flecha, and Classicomano Luigi, who is most likely Thomas Dekker, but could be Cancellara as well.

 

[TomasC]

Probably two Classicomano, who is Flecha, and Classicomano Luigi, who is most likely Thomas Dekker, but could be Cancellara as well.

Yeah someone also wrote here that Clasicomano (not the Luigi one) was Bettini and god knows whoever else.

Edit: I was wrong, it was about Luigi, but no source:

I thought it was generally assumed that classicomano Luigi was most likely Bettini.

To hell with all the clasicomanos and luigis.

 

[neineinei]

Link to the article in Volkskrant:

Juan Antonio Flecha was klant van dopingarts Fuentes

 

[theyoungest]

Really poor article, nowhere do they say on what basis they conclude Flecha is Clasicomano.

 

[Benito]

Really poor article, nowhere do they say on what basis they conclude Flecha is Clasicomano.

Partly true. It is said that this becomes apparent from Fuentes' administration, which was confiscated at his arrest on 23-5-2006. However further details are not given.

 

[Freddythefrog]

This is a very poor comment

This guy is a Walter Mitty character, now facing a well deserved jail sentence.

I really don't think people should get excited about what he is saying or not saying at this stage.

Nor do I think he should be trusted.

It is vital the judge allows the remaining blood bags to go to Wada for independent investigation.

because it fails to understand the nature of the evidence being presented.
Fact - Fuentes ran the biggest blood doping program that has been bust by the authorities.
Fact - not only collected were hundreds of blood bags but files and records of historical doping.
Fact - the person at the centre of this is still alive along with most of his clients.
Fact - scientific process enables determination of samples to individuals.

Fact - at this stage, Lance has not shared his sources and helpers, or certainly non of those details are in the public forum.

Opinion - the authorities have spent long enough dragging their heels trying to hope this goes away, whether by design or encouragement from other external agencies. With progress painful and modest, let this forum not be another area were ignorant un-thought-out comments add to the "noise" calling for an early end to what has to be the potentially most widely exposing, PED investigation ever. They guy at the centre needs to be thoroughly questioned.

 

[wansteadimp]

because it fails to understand the nature of the evidence being presented. Fact - Fuentes ran the biggest blood doping program that has been bust by the authorities.
Fact - not only collected were hundreds of blood bags but files and records of historical doping.
Fact - the person at the centre of this is still alive along with most of his clients.
Fact - scientific process enables determination of samples to individuals.

Fact - at this stage, Lance has not shared his sources and helpers, or certainly non of those details are in the public forum.

Opinion - the authorities have spent long enough dragging their heels trying to hope this goes away, whether by design or encouragement from other external agencies. With progress painful and modest, let this forum not be another area were ignorant un-thought-out comments add to the "noise" calling for an early end to what has to be the potentially most widely exposing, PED investigation ever. They guy at the centre needs to be thoroughly questioned.

Rafa is that you? One for the football fans.

 

[zebedee]

The wider point that Freddy above is croaking about, I think, is the massive opportunity afforded by the Fuentes evidence to throw light on doping in other sports, tennis and football principally, as well as consolidating the information on doping in cycling. An expanding knowledge of the modus operandi of doping doctors offers immense help to the anti-doping cause generally.

It is vital that both WADA and the IOC apply the influence they have on the Spanish authorities to have all the evidence made available. No evidence. No 2020 Olympics for Spain. Simple as that really.

 

[Freddythefrog]

6 more weeks !

Whilst doing my occasional check of the Telegraph site I found at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...ut-if-they-will-get-access-to-blood-bags.html

A court official in Madrid said Judge Julia Patricia Santamaria would publish her verdict in around six weeks’ time, when she would also rule on whether the World Anti-Doping Agency should be granted access to the bags of red blood cells and plasma that have remained in refrigerated storage for the past seven years.

How can it take longer than 2 minutes to decide about the blood bags?

Even before the legal guys find the pinhead - Either they are the property of the state or they are not. Either the state's interests are served by sharing them with WADA or they are not.

But the moral driver has precedence beyond any of that rubbish and some of elites need to be reminding the judge of that uncomfortable truth.

 

[ElChingon]

Whilst doing my occasional check of the Telegraph site I found at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...ut-if-they-will-get-access-to-blood-bags.html

A court official in Madrid said Judge Julia Patricia Santamaria would publish her verdict in around six weeks’ time, when she would also rule on whether the World Anti-Doping Agency should be granted access to the bags of red blood cells and plasma that have remained in refrigerated storage for the past seven years.

How can it take longer than 2 minutes to decide about the blood bags?

Even before the legal guys find the pinhead - Either they are the property of the state or they are not. Either the state's interests are served by sharing them with WADA or they are not.

But the moral driver has precedence beyond any of that rubbish and some of elites need to be reminding the judge of that uncomfortable truth.

She has to make sure the bank transfers clear first and that's clear out to her remote untraceable accounts. Till then we won't hear anything.

Note: Fuentes has already said he'd list out which code name is which real person and was just ignored in court on day one, so don't go expecting any clarity in this case even in 6 weeks time.

 

[Freddythefrog]

I edited my comment out !

I wrote a similarly cynical comment to go with the quote and then edited it out. A nice few weeks in Spring, needing time to think...hmm what could be nicer.... I know ...

 

[BroDeal]

Whilst doing my occasional check of the Telegraph site I found at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...ut-if-they-will-get-access-to-blood-bags.html

A court official in Madrid said Judge Julia Patricia Santamaria would publish her verdict in around six weeks’ time, when she would also rule on whether the World Anti-Doping Agency should be granted access to the bags of red blood cells and plasma that have remained in refrigerated storage for the past seven years.

Access will be granted just after the eight year statute of limitation period expires.

 

[Kender]

How can it take longer than 2 minutes to decide about the blood bags?

because any decision made right now can't be announced closer to the tour de france which seems to be the traditional time to release doping scandels

 

[D-Queued]

...

How can it take longer than 2 minutes to decide about the blood bags?

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An educated guess where others have already offered better cynicism:

This is likely related to due process. The evidence cannot be released until the verdict is read.

The actual decision about the blood bags has likely already been made.

Dave.

 

[Cimber]

Latest news is that Fuentes wont reveal any client names. Sad.

 

[JimmyFingers]

She has to make sure the bank transfers clear first and that's clear out to her remote untraceable accounts. Till then we won't hear anything.

Note: Fuentes has already said he'd list out which code name is which real person and was just ignored in court on day one, so don't go expecting any clarity in this case even in 6 weeks time.

The Spanish are closing ranks to protect their own. But there will be books, the truth will out and Nadal and Barca will have some squirming to do