Playing God: Eufemiano Fuentes

[Arnout]

Yeah, "nothing, or same as Jaksche". Maybe they were deemed to be too young so they thought they could still wait and mature a bit before getting on the program for the Tour, since it wouldn't be one of their goals and they'd be there just to gain experience.

For Jaksche, it says "always I-2 - 0.10-0.15 - he already knows - 6th". Whatever that means.

I-2 is insulin apparently. Never knew they used that to dope. Must be quite dangerous if improperly used.

 

[hrotha]

Whoa, I thought internet servers with these scans broke down because of after so many years, but we have some memories.

Hrotha, what is written near Alan Davis? Seemingly Contador used some standart set if there was no clarification. Though it is obviously was one of the most harmless Ufe's documents. The rest were never available for press.

Alan Davis - "this one has a separate program, according to his objectives"

Presumably because he was a sprinter and wasn't expected to help in the mountains, so the Tour didn't require him to follow a special preparation compared to the rest of the season.

 

[hrotha]

I-2 is insulin apparently. Never knew they used that to dope. Must be quite dangerous if improperly used.

Also, apparently:
HM = HMG-Lepori (a kind of gonadotrophin)
TGN = Trigon Depot (a corticosteroid)

 

[classicomano]

I-2 is insulin apparently. Never knew they used that to dope. Must be quite dangerous if improperly used.

Pantani was a big fan of insulin.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Was it? I've never seen it and saw it flying past so I thought I would post it.

Yeah.
The old same as or nothing for Bertie fax has been around since 2006.

 

[sniper]

Yeah, it was, but it's a good thing you posted it, since many people haven't seen it. It's always been buried under a pile of other documents, and you had to dive into the primary sources to find it. I'm puzzled about the journos apparently not knowing this, though.

A lot of stories surfacing right now, also wrt Dutch cycling, aren't really news in the true sense (e.g. PDM), even though the press is jumping on the stories like a pack of hungry wolves. Clearly, doping talk is en vogue like it was never before.
Suddenly we see what investigative journalism is capable of. If there is a will, there is a way. The dam really seems to have broken, though it's still too early to cheer. Let's hope the snowball rolls into soccer and tennis a.s.a.p.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Fax from Fuentes to doctor of Liberty Seguros, during Tour of 2005.

so everyone got dope except contador...?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Pantani was a big fan of insulin.

source??


....

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

A lot of stories surfacing right now, also wrt Dutch cycling, aren't really news in the true sense (e.g. PDM), even though the press is jumping on the stories like a pack of hungry wolves. Clearly, doping talk is en vogue like it was never before. The dam really seems to have broken. Let's hope the snowball rolls into soccer and tennis a.s.a.p.

not gonna happen.

 

[sniper]

Also, apparently:
HM = HMG-Lepori (a kind of gonadotrophin)
TGN = Trigon Depot (a corticosteroid)

Don't wanna split hairs, but are we 100% sure it says NADA behind AC?
The D is not really a D, though that could obviously be a scan/printing issue. (probably)

 

[pastronef]

so everyone got dope except contador...?

no, there is > sign near LL and AC, so they both will have "nada o igual a JJ"

nothing or the same as JJ

someone says AC could also be Antonio (Toni) Colom

 

[classicomano]

source??


....

From what I read there was the 2001 Giro raid where insulin was found in his hotel room and later the name that was linked to him in the Fuentes files (PTNI) in 2003 had a program that included insulin.

 

[hrotha]

Pastronef, that can't be Colom. It's the Liberty roster for the Tour, and Colom never rode for them.

Don't wanna split hairs, but are we 100% sure it says NADA behind AC?
The D is not really a D, though that could obviously be a scan/printing issue. (probably)

Nope, it's clearly a D. It's also the only word I can think of that would make sense in that context.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

contador finished 35th in that tour, being only 22, he was most likely clean. even de kort said he never saw doping at liberty. especially young riders saw nothing of it.

 

[will10]

That is in line with many of the USADA witnesses' statements - you get your *** kicked for the first year or in some cases two, then you get some help from the doctor forthwith. Almost a rite of passage into the omertà.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

That is in line with many of the USADA witnesses' statements - you get your *** kicked for the first year or in some cases two, then you get some help from the doctor forthwith. Almost a rite of passage into the omertà.

back in those days most yes, except someone like rujano. now we see young guns doing great in gt's from the get go(quintana, pinot). a very good sign

 

[LaFlorecita]

Yawn that fax is so old I've seen it like a billion times already.

Nada o igual a JJ makes sense for Luisle and Alberto since they were both still very young.

Anyway we already know Alberto was a client, I just hope he won't get banned

 

[Eyeballs Out]

The fax doesn't describe a full program or anything like that - just fine tuning for the big race. All the important stuff would have already been done at that point

 

[taiwan]

no, there is > sign near LL and AC, so they both will have "nada o igual a JJ"

nothing or the same as JJ

someone says AC could also be Antonio (Toni) Colom

Wasn't that just in Operacion Puerto: the blood bags marked AC? Colom wasn't on Liberty Seguros.

 

[hrotha]

Wasn't that just in Operacion Puerto: the blood bags marked AC? Colom wasn't on Liberty Seguros.

There were no blood bags marked AC as far as we know. The blood bags used the full code names, not just the initials, so for example Jaksche's bags were marked "Bella", not "JJ".

(Also, googling "blood bag bella" brings up really weird results. Curse you, Twilight)

 

[sniper]

Stéphane Mandard expects nothing from upcoming Puerto trial.
"Spanish authorities don't want Fuentes to squeel".

Mandard has had chats with Fuentes, who told him how back in 2006 the Spanish police deliberately did not search trhough Fuentes' offices in Las Palmas, where he kept all his files.

Claims doping is still much more of a problem in Spain then elsewhere, in spite of anti-doping laws.

link

 

[airstream]

Who needs this carnaval? What's the use to judge Fuentes again and again if authorities are not going to punish him?

 

[cineteq]

Luisle in trouble.

"La direction de l'équipe cycliste néerlandaise Blanco (ex-Rabobank) a décidé d'enquêter sur une possible implication de son coureur espagnol Luis Leon Sanchez dans le travail lié au dopage du médecin espagnol Eufemiano Fuentes, révèle samedi le quotidien NRC Handelsblad."

http://www.rtbf.be/sport/cyclisme/detail_blanco-ex-rabobank-enquete-sur-sanchez?id=7915359

 

[hrotha]

Who needs this carnaval? What's the use to judge Fuentes again and again if authorities are not going to punish him?

There's a new person in charge of the Spanish Anti-Doping Agency, Ana Muñoz Merino, and she seems to be more serious about her job than her predecessors. Of course it's been all talk for now, as she hasn't had the chance to walk the walk yet, but we'll see.

 

[the asian]

WADA is calling for all names linked to OP be revealed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/27/wada-opertion-puerto?CMP=twt_gu

Will it get it's wish this time?

I wish the IOC joins and issues some kind of a threat like "Spain would be banned from the Olympics if they do not hand over the documents/reveal all names " otherwise the Spanish will protect who they want to.