Playing God: Eufemiano Fuentes

[sniper]

There's a new person in charge of the Spanish Anti-Doping Agency, Ana Muñoz Merino, and she seems to be more serious about her job than her predecessors. Of course it's been all talk for now, as she hasn't had the chance to walk the walk yet, but we'll see.

good info, promising.

WADA is calling for all names linked to OP be revealed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/27/wada-opertion-puerto?CMP=twt_gu

Will it get it's wish this time?

I wish the IOC joins and issues some kind of a threat like "Spain would be banned from the Olympics if they do not hand over the documents/reveal all names " otherwise the Spanish will protect who they want to.

Great call by WADA.
But I obviously expect Spain to be really stubborn. Too much at stake here. We're talking all of Spain's soccer results obtained in the last decade or so. Nadal and Contador would merely be footnotes compared to that.

As I said earlier, let's hope Pat sees an opportunity here to work on his image, stand up for cycling, show us what he's really made of.

 

[zebedee]

The fact this trial starts next week coincides with Nadal's decision to hop over the equator for a few weeks. He's in S. America intending to start his comeback there. No doubt this is sheer coincidence but it's a convenient place to go given all the impending brouhaha that looks likely to erupt.

Why, until now, has WADA done little to contest the inactivity of the Spanish authorities regarding the identification of other athletes? And why has the IOC done nothing either?

 

[icefire]

WADA is calling for all names linked to OP be revealed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/jan/27/wada-opertion-puerto?CMP=twt_gu

Will it get it's wish this time?

I wish the IOC joins and issues some kind of a threat like "Spain would be banned from the Olympics if they do not hand over the documents/reveal all names " otherwise the Spanish will protect who they want to.

WADA and The Guardian haven't got a clue on what the trial is about. Doping was not an offence under Spanish Law at the time of the events being judged. The alleged offenders in this trial are the doctors (and the team managers) and the trial is trying to determine if their patients (the athletes) were subject to bad medical practices. In this context, and regardless of the final verdict, patients will be treated as victims of the alleged offence, documents will be treated as medical records and links of patients' names to medical records won't be revealed in court. Those expecting anything else should be ready for dissapointment.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Prof. Dr. Werner Franke was always splurging about the "fact", that he has the complete, original and uncleaned documents available, locked in a safe in Texas. After he stole them from someones table.
Not going into details.

Werner ???
He should have much sparetime available, now that he was excluded from Freiburg Kommission and has only a few lawsuits pending.

Too dangerous for (West)Germany's organized doping. Pair of dottores and few of those dirty dirty cyclists left on the plate to hide the bigger issues.
At least they are still trying.

Anyway, one can stand that guy and his style or not. Especially the people from the Church of Ullists can't stand him.
Time for him to unveil his complete special limited collectors edition of OP Guardia Thivil documents, out of a mysterious safe in Texas.

my favorite Franke quote: "General-Amnestie ist General-Amnesie."

 

[hrotha]

WADA and The Guardian haven't got a clue on what the trial is about. Doping was not an offence under Spanish Law at the time of the events being judged. The alleged offenders in this trial are the doctors (and the team managers) and the trial is trying to determine if their patients (the athletes) were subject to bad medical practices. In this context, and regardless of the final verdict, patients will be treated as victims of the alleged offence, documents will be treated as medical records and links of patients' names to medical records won't be revealed in court. Those expecting anything else should be ready for dissapointment.

The Spanish Antidoping Agency has said they might request to be given access to the blood bags and other evidence. WADA has no role to play in the trial itself, but the AEA can and should do its own thing, and WADA should oversee it.

 

[Caruut]

The fact this trial starts next week coincides with Nadal's decision to hop over the equator for a few weeks. He's in S. America intending to start his comeback there. No doubt this is sheer coincidence but it's a convenient place to go given all the impending brouhaha that looks likely to erupt.

Why, until now, has WADA done little to contest the inactivity of the Spanish authorities regarding the identification of other athletes? And why has the IOC done nothing either?

Cheeky Rafa!

In answer to your question, I would guess that in the case of WADA it is a case of picking your battles. Perhaps at no point up until now have they felt that they have as great a chance of success as they do now. A lot of stars and planets are aligning for them - this new head of the Spanish doping agency, the Puerto court case, the USADA ruling, Lance's confession and more media attention on doping than ever before. Previously it might have been much easier to brush the request aside.

With regards to the IOC, they have never been interested in anti-doping. They are like the UCI - more than happy to pretend they are dealing with doping, but no actual action.

 

[sniper]

Football and tennis appear likely to escape when a notorious doping case comes to a Madrid court on Monday.

The Spanish authorities instead say that Operation Puerto - a seven-year police investigation into Dr Eufemanio Fuentes - will implicate only the already drug-rattling sport of cycling.

The trial will take no account of Fuentes’s open admission of administering performance-enhancing drugs to teams in the first and second divisions of Spanish football as well as tennis and handball players. It will also ignore claims that he oversaw doping during the 2006 World Cup in Germany.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...nis-set-drug-trial-let-off.html#ixzz2JG9csmvB

Pat, rise up.

 

[del1962]

No one will take on the use of PEDs in football, remember a certain England International missing his drug test, also the coach of the team at the time has been in a bit of bother for obstructing testing in Portugal

 

[bicifan]

Dr. Fuentes is tranquilo.

 

[roundabout]

WADA and The Guardian haven't got a clue on what the trial is about. Doping was not an offence under Spanish Law at the time of the events being judged. The alleged offenders in this trial are the doctors (and the team managers) and the trial is trying to determine if their patients (the athletes) were subject to bad medical practices. In this context, and regardless of the final verdict, patients will be treated as victims of the alleged offence, documents will be treated as medical records and links of patients' names to medical records won't be revealed in court. Those expecting anything else should be ready for dissapointment.

To quote Lance Armstrong: "A waste of taxpayers money".

 

[sniper]

The English, German, Dutch newspapers are all referring to the possibility that Fuentes treated soccer and tennis players. Spanish press just ignores it. Jawdropping.

From today's ElPais, one of Spain's more serious newspapers:

Sangre de deportistas magníficos, de los mejores del mundo en ciclismo, sangre que les hacía ser mejores aún.

http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2013/01/27/actualidad/1359314308_541379.html

EDIT: have to slightly revise my earlier statement.
They do allude to other sports, albeit only indirectly, here:

-decenas de medios atraídos por el volcánico carácter del tema que como un río subterráneo discurrirá imparable bajo la discusión aparente, el dopaje, y por la promesa de supuestas jugosas y morbosas revelaciones que deberían dejar desnudos los éxitos del deporte español-

 

[Descender]

Is that El País newspaper the same "serious newspaper" that published that fake photo of a dying Hugo Chavez on its front page just earlier this week?

 

[sniper]

good summary article in LeMonde:

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...ntes-passera-t-il-aux-aveux_1823325_3242.html

 

[del1962]

good summary article in LeMonde:

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...ntes-passera-t-il-aux-aveux_1823325_3242.html

So nothing or very little is going to come out of the trial

 

[sniper]

So nothing or very little is going to come out of the trial

probably nothing but another blue eye for cycling.
but hope dies last.
LeMonde at least bring up the Barca/Madrid connections. My hope is that Spanish media start becoming more investigative (wrt Fuentes, that is; Spanish media in other domains is A-quality).

 

[sniper]

So nothing or very little is going to come out of the trial

btw. One possibly interesting interval in the process will be WADA's presentation as part of the prosecution by Spanish authorities. If they take that opportunity, they could draw some attention to non-cycling issues. It's a public hearing (if I understood correctly), so that could incite additional media interest.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...r-shows-move-to-clear-rider-in-doping-scandal

 

[Descender]

El Mundo posted the schedule of the trial:

- 28 de enero de 2013 - Declaración de Eufemiano Fuentes
- 29 de enero de 2013 - Declaraciones de José Ignacio Labarta, Manuel Saiz, Vicente Belda y Yolanda Fuentes Rodríguez.
- 1 de febrero de 2012 - Declaración de testigos: Seis guardias civiles.
- 4 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de testigos: Siete guardias civiles.
- 5 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de testigos: Alberto Contador y varios peritos: Ángel García La Cuesta, Elena Franco, Jorge Gómez y Roberto J. Roig.
- 6 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de testigos: Cinco guardias civiles.
- 11 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de testigos: Los ciclistas Darío Gadeo, Jorg Jaksche, Ivan Basso, Marcos Serrano y Pedro Díaz Lobato y el médico Sergio Quílez.
- 12 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de testigos: Los ciclistas Ángel Vicioso, Isidro Nozal, Joseba Beloki, Michele Scarponi, Giampaolo Caruso, Unai Osa y David Etxebarria.
- 13 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de testigos: Jesús Manzano (ciclista) y Francisco Aguanell (médico forense).
- 18 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de cinco peritos.
- 19 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de dos peritos.
- 25 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de tres peritos.
- 25 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de tres peritos.
- 26 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de testigos: Antonio Rico Revuelta, Miguel Ángel del Pozo y Raquel Ortolano (médico).
- 1, 4, 5, 6 y 8 de marzo de 2013 - Audiciones.
- 11 de marzo a 22 de marzo de 2013 - Presentación de las conclusiones de las acusaciones particulares: Real Federación Española de Ciclismo, Agencia Mundial Antidopaje (WADA), Jesús Manzano, Agrupación Internacional de Grupos de Ciclistas Profesionales, Unión Ciclista Internacional y Comité Olímpico Italiano.


My only hope is on the two bolded parts.

 

[sniper]

nice, thanks.

there are at least 3 names in there of riders who could cause Contador some problems: Jaksche, Etxebarria, and Manzano.

 

[The Hitch]

LeMonde at least bring up the Barca/Madrid connections.

Very brave of them considering what happened last time.

 

[hrotha]

I'm puzzled by the witness list. Where's all the Kelme/Comunitat Valenciana guys?

there are at least 3 names in there of riders who could cause Contador some problems: Jaksche, Etxebarria, and Manzano.

Etxebarría won't say squat.

 

[ElChingon]

- 5 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de testigos: Alberto Contador y varios peritos:

- 18 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de cinco peritos.
- 19 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de dos peritos.
- 25 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de tres peritos.
- 25 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de tres peritos

I want to see the puppies go down.

 

[zalacain]

and no tennis players?

 

[cineteq]

"The Operación Puerto hearings got underway in Madrid today, but the long awaited testimony by Eufemiano Fuentes, the doctor who ran the blood doping clinic, was postponed until Tuesday."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/delays-mark-start-of-operacion-puerto-hearing

A day in the courtroom (video).
http://blogs.channel4.com/keme-nzer...rial-could-spanish-football-be-implicated/520

 

[hrotha]

Haha, Fuentes is hilarious.

"Spain's losing lots of money by having me here. I work in a public clinic, paid for by the State. I don't think it's good in times of economic crisis. My patients miss me."

 

[ElChingon]

El Mundo posted the schedule of the trial:

- 5 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de testigos: Alberto Contador y varios peritos: Ángel García La Cuesta, Elena Franco, Jorge Gómez y Roberto J. Roig.

- 11 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de testigos: Los ciclistas Darío Gadeo, Jorg Jaksche, Ivan Basso, Marcos Serrano y Pedro Díaz Lobato y el médico Sergio Quílez.
- 12 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de testigos: Los ciclistas Ángel Vicioso, Isidro Nozal, Joseba Beloki, Michele Scarponi, Giampaolo Caruso, Unai Osa y David Etxebarria.
- 13 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de testigos: Jesús Manzano (ciclista)
- 18 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de cinco peritos.
- 19 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de dos peritos.
- 25 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de tres peritos.
- 25 de febrero de 2013 - Declaración de tres peritos.

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Notable absentee's are :

Oscar Sevilla
Francisco Macenbo
Alejandro Valverde
Frank Schleck
Constantino Zaballa
Jose Ignacio Gutierrez
Jose Enrique Gutierrez
Santiago Botero
Carlos Zárate
Koldo Gil
Jan Ullrich
Carlos García Quesada
Michele Bartol
Ángel Casero
Roberto Heras
Santiago Pérez
Unai Osa

and

Vicente Ballester
David Bernabeu
David Blanco
Jose Adrian Bonilla
Juan Gomis
Eladio Jimenez
David Latasa
Javier Pascual Rodriquez
Ruben Plaza

Or are they the peritos