Playing God: Eufemiano Fuentes

[the asian]

Fuentes offers to list all the athletes he treated but judge refuses.

It's getting funny, with Fuentes playing games.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

Fuentes offers to list all the athletes he treated but judge refuses.

It's getting funny, with Fuentes playing games.

The report on here doesn't quite agree ??

"Following a request from the lawyer representing the Italian Olympic Committee, the judge once again refused to demand that Fuentes reveal the identities of those athletes whose coded names were on 200 bags of blood and plasma that were seized back in 2006. She did say that Fuentes could reveal them if he so wished."

 

[the asian]

The report on here doesn't quite agree ??

"Following a request from the lawyer representing the Italian Olympic Committee, the judge once again refused to demand that Fuentes reveal the identities of those athletes whose coded names were on 200 bags of blood and plasma that were seized back in 2006. She did say that Fuentes could reveal them if he so wished."

Different things going around on twitter. We'll see.

 

[zebedee]

So the Spanish authorities in general, courts in particular, fail to acknowledge any wider public duty to the sporting world at large.

Does the court not have such a duty extending beyond the narrow remit of the trial itself, a duty which would require the release to WADA of the names of all the tennis and football cheats as well?

 

[hrotha]

So the Spanish authorities in general, courts in particular, fail to acknowledge any wider public duty to the sporting world at large.

Does the court not have such a duty extending beyond the narrow remit of the trial itself, a duty which would require the release to WADA of the names of all the tennis and football cheats as well?

Perhaps, but that falls outside the scope of this trial. It's not about doping.

We'll see what happens when WADA formally requests access to those bags.

 

[manafana]

did my own blog on the fuentes case

crazy cover up going on with only cyclists being named only theirs something very funny going on.

was very close to naming a few more in this, and can see from whats been said on here i wasn't far off with who I else I thought would be named if allowed.

If anyone followed the Miami case, no names were held back the proper way to do it.

 

[del1962]

The report on here doesn't quite agree ??

"Following a request from the lawyer representing the Italian Olympic Committee, the judge once again refused to demand that Fuentes reveal the identities of those athletes whose coded names were on 200 bags of blood and plasma that were seized back in 2006. She did say that Fuentes could reveal them if he so wished."

Interesting development, I hope he goes off on one and starts naming names, particularly outside of cycling.

 

[zebedee]

The judge is placing the onus on Fuentes rather than acting correctly out of a proper sense of duty herself.

If matters of wider concern arise during a trial, it would be perfectly proper for a court to initiate action, such as reporting an incident of serious perjury to the police for follow-up action.

What is happening with this judge in my view is abnegation of a court's wider responsibility in pursuing justice as blood doping has long been banned under international rules of sport. Plus she has the influence to make things happen.

 

[del1962]

Frustrating, but hopefully Fuentes wont be able to help himself

 

[zebedee]

Really, they want to cut Fuentes out of the loop and give what evidence is known straight to WADA. Fuentes is playing games, like all these doctors do, so how can he be considered a reliable witness?

 

[sniper]

Interesting development, I hope he goes off on one and starts naming names, particularly outside of cycling.

i hope with you, but it seems unlikely to happen.
imagine him naming fc barcelona, real madrid, or fernando alonso.
would mean he has a whole new series of court cases coming up.

 

[L'arriviste]

I believe that CN got it wrong. I don't think Judge Santamaria said that Fuentes could name names if he so wished. I was following the tweets of various journos yesterday and that was not what they reported.

In fact, it would be incorrect for a judge to allow that since knowledge of the identities of those named a) does not go to the issue of Fuentes' guilt, b) is non-essential to the proving of the charges and c) could prejudice individuals who are not party to this case on either side.

As I have said elsewhere, it is bad for sports fans and the public but it is the right decision in the far narrower context of this case.

Meanwhile Judge Santamaria gave WADA three days to prepare arguments for the release of the remaining blood bags to the Spanish anti-doping authority per WADA's request. The State backs WADA but counsel for the public prosecutor did not.

What we can conclude is this: the release of the remaining bags will be the only conduit for these names to come out. We need to put our hopes in that.

 

[movingtarget]

Interesting development, I hope he goes off on one and starts naming names, particularly outside of cycling.

I think some of the current riders will also be watching with interest and crossing their fingers and toes.

 

[zebedee]

From today's Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...ase-of-blood-bags-seized-seven-years-ago.html

 

[Albatros]

i hope with you, but it seems unlikely to happen.
imagine him naming fc barcelona, real madrid, or fernando alonso.
would mean he has a whole new series of court cases coming up.

If he named names he would not have any leverage. It is the the threat of disclosing big names what makes him invulnerable.

By the way, check Ajax running stats in the Champions League,.

 

[cineteq]

Manolo Saiz is testifying right now.

 

[airstream]

That's all rigged. Saiz will say the story which blends with Fuentes' one completely.

 

[del1962]

Some tweets from Mikkel Conte 2.0

Manolo Saiz says that Fuentes only was team doctor at ONCE in 1990 and 1991. Never at Liberty Seguros.

Saiz: "Heras ask for permition to use Fuentes. I didn't like it, but in the end I accepted" - Nothing new, Saiz said this 5 years ago too..

Saiz also says that Angel Vicioso and Marcos Serrano asked to use Fuentes and he allowed it. Vicioso is still active at Katusha.

Vicioso already had some Puerto-blood on him, but Saiz' testimony sure doesn't help Katusha's case...

Manolo Saiz: "Heras, Vicioso and Serrano worked with Fuentes and trusted him"

Saiz: "I didn't want to know more, when I let the riders go work the Fuentes"

Saiz backs up Fuentes' story and say that the Synachten in the briefcase wasn't his - but Fuentes'.

Saiz says that they had a problem with Nozal's haematocrit in 2005 and ended his contract, but that he didn't know if he was Fuentes' client

Saiz: "Since 1991, I was never with a cyclist in the same room as Fuentes"

Saiz says he doubts that Liberty Seguros (blue tricot) were "los azules" (the blues) named in the OP report. "There were many blue teams"

Saiz: "Everybody in the peloton knew that Roberto Heras was working with Dr. Fuentes before I signed him"

 

[hrotha]

That's all rigged. Saiz will say the story which blends with Fuentes' one completely.

That doesn't mean it's rigged. It just means the charged parties are going to lie and bend the truth to avoid being found guilty. It's to be expected.

 

[sniper]

can Menchov still appeal the 2005 vuelta decision?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

can Menchov still appeal the 2005 vuelta decision?

I would be very surprised if Menchov survives the Rasmussen confession.

 

[sniper]

I would be very surprised if Menchov survives the Rasmussen confession.

true.
10chars

 

[del1962]

More tweets from Conde

Manolo Saiz: "I told Fuentes that cycling was getting really bad so, since he had other athletes, he better leave cycling".

Saiz: "I told Fuentes that the doors to my team were open for him"

CONI's lawyer asks Manolo Saiz if he can identify Fuentes' "non-cyclists" clients. Saiz doesn't answer..

Added

Manolo Saiz: "I have never given my riders illegal products" - well of course not, you just said your doors were open to Fuentes.

Added again

Typical. Manolo Saiz was about to identify "RSOC" and his lawyer stopped him.

 

[sniper]

More tweets from Conde







Added

What's the history behind CONI's participation as a civil party?
Why not other olympic committees?
Aren't CONI and IOC on the same page in terms of 'anti'-doping?
Didn't they get the IOC/FIFA/ATP memo?

Anyway, it's good to see them trying.

 

[del1962]

Final tweet

That's it for Manolo Saiz. To sum up he named Heras, Serrano & Vicioso and said that "the doors to his team were open for Fuentes"