Playing God: Eufemiano Fuentes

[the asian]

Did Vicioso ever stop juicing?

CQ points history for the guy below:

2009 and 2010 he rode for Andalucia and in 2011 for Androni, both Pro Conti teams, so i guess not enough opportunities.

In 2012 he was a dom for Purito.

can't tell by looking at CQ points. He may have toned down after the introduction of the ABP.

Interestingly after OP he spent 5 years riding for Pro Conti teams.

 

[roundabout]

Did Vicioso ever stop juicing?

CQ points history for the guy below:

Probably not.

But at least he doesn't seem to be doing it to ridiculous 2006 levels.

 

[cineteq]

Fuentes talked to some journos yesterday and gave a hint: RSOC and a 'good wine' have a relationship.

Perhaps this one?

 

[Descender]

Fuentes is laughing on everybody's face. What a monumental **** he is.

 

[D-Queued]

Fuentes is laughing on everybody's face. What a monumental **** he is.

One of these days people are going to understand that doping is criminal. The criminals get it, and their hubris shows it.

Dave.

 

[ElChingon]

Fuentes is laughing on everybody's face. What a monumental **** he is.

He's also said he can lie. The as.com cycling section has daily stories which basically high lite that this is just a farce of a case.

The fact that the judge declined to hear the clients names blows everyone away. I'm thinking Fuentes was just going to list out the pet names as a jokem as that is what is listed.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Did Vicioso ever stop juicing?

CQ points history for the guy below:

I really hate those stupid graphs. look at his actual results and better yet, way of racing, ever since joining androni he became a hilly rider and lost a lot of his itt abilities. the vicioso of liberty/once was an animal that would tear up every stage in pais vasco.

also to other guy asking: vicioso and purito are friends. purito wants to bring him with him to new team

 

[ElChingon]

Well it looks like FCC Prez David Lappartient agrees with me, "this is a farce" referring to OP. Goes off on how football and tennis players have been protected by being left off even though Fuentes has agreed to list all the names, which was also declined by the judge. Also, goes off on how someone high up is pulling the strings on how cyclist are the only athletes in on this case.

El presidente de la Federación Francesa de Ciclismo (FFC), David Lappartient, señaló hoy que el juicio en España a la Operación Puerto contra una supuesta trama de dopaje es "una verdadera farsa" y que da la sensación de que las autoridades españolas intentan proteger a deportistas.
"¿A quién se protege? Uno de los acusados está dispuesto a dar los nombres y no se le preguntan. Es una verdadera farsa, no hay otra palabra. ¿Para qué hacer un juicio?", señaló Lappartient en una conferencia de prensa en la sede de la federación en Rosny-sous-Bois, a las afueras de París.
Lappartient tiene "la sensación de que las autoridades españolas intentan proteger a futbolistas, tenistas...", dijo. "Eso demuestra que los ciclistas no son los únicos", agregó el presidente de la FCC.
"Sin duda, ha habido protecciones a muy alto nivel, normalmente estatales. Espero que las bolsas de sangre puedan transferirse a la AMA (Agencia Mundial Antidopaje) para poder establecer vínculos en este asunto", añadió Lappartient.

 

[coinneach]

Well it looks like FCC Prez David Lappartient agrees with me, "this is a farce" referring to OP. Goes off on how football and tennis players have been protected by being left off even though Fuentes has agreed to list all the names, which was also declined by the judge. Also, goes off on how someone high up is pulling the strings on how cyclist are the only athletes in on this case.

I spoke to someone normally very sensible in Spain tonight. She hopes the footballers are kept secret
I couldn't believe my ears!

Justification being: Spain is having a really hard time of it just now.
Their prime minister is seriously suspected of taking undeclared cash for years, but nobody is surprised at a politician being corrupt.
But a football star
Impossible! They are idols!!!!

She thought the entire country would get so depressed if any football star was caught up in doping.

I still think its better if it all comes out, but I don't live in Spain, and they ain't got much to be cheerful about

 

[Descender]

What is the point of cheering for a farce? I'd rather be anonymous than a lie.

 

[coinneach]

What is the point of cheering for a farce? I'd rather be anonymous than a lie.

Me too, on my own.

But as a part of a big gang?
Who all need something to believe in??
Remember how South Africa came together when they won Rugby WC?
(Even though the opposition had been knobbled)

I don't think its always easy

 

[icefire]

Well it looks like FCC Prez David Lappartient agrees with me, "this is a farce" referring to OP. Goes off on how football and tennis players have been protected by being left off even though Fuentes has agreed to list all the names, which was also declined by the judge. Also, goes off on how someone high up is pulling the strings on how cyclist are the only athletes in on this case.

Well, it looks like Mr Lappartient can't read, hasn't got a clue on what the case is about and has wrong expectations. It's not abut athletes breaking the rules of their game, it's about doctors breaking the rules of their job. Patient's names are not relevant for this case which, unfortunately, it's the only case possible with the law as it was at the time it all happened.

Going on with the trial, sports news site Marca had yesterday an article on the testimony of two technical experts on medicines and hematology with some interesting facts:

Freezing blood safely requires equipment only available to hospitals according to the former head of the centre of blood transfussions in Valencia.

Fuentes' partner Dr Merino, who was an hematologist at a hospital in Madrid, asked a colleague from another hospital to deliver glycerol (for freezing blood cells) not to the hospital he was working in but to another address (allegedly his private office)

http://www.marca.com/2013/02/05/ciclismo/1360061659.html

 

[ElChingon]

Well, it looks like Mr Lappartient can't read, hasn't got a clue on what the case is about and has wrong expectations. It's not abut athletes breaking the rules of their game, it's about doctors breaking the rules of their job. Patient's names are not relevant for this case which, unfortunately, it's the only case possible with the law as it was at the time it all happened.

Going on with the trial, sports news site Marca had yesterday an article on the testimony of two technical experts on medicines and hematology with some interesting facts:

Freezing blood safely requires equipment only available to hospitals according to the former head of the centre of blood transfussions in Valencia.

Fuentes' partner Dr Merino, who was an hematologist at a hospital in Madrid, asked a colleague from another hospital to deliver glycerol (for freezing blood cells) not to the hospital he was working in but to another address (allegedly his private office)

http://www.marca.com/2013/02/05/ciclismo/1360061659.html

So how are they going to determine if people's health was put on the line? Asking the peritos?

They need to question the clients not just those being put on trial for breaking the health laws. They may not have to be named but they definitely need to be questioned to determine what happened.

 

[cineteq]

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Impossible, he is sprinter.

 

[ElChingon]

Well, now Javier Guillén, Vuelta a España director has joined Christian Prudhomme (Tour de France director) in wanting all names named to get this over with now.

Don't really blame them, if the names are all listed now it gets all the bans done now instead of the trickle we have going on now.

Yes, now Cipo falls, well as long as they all fall it will be fair but this trickle of names goes on for years its gets pretty pathetic more can it get more pathetic?

Once again, T&R not coming soon enough for some, but maybe this is the Omerta biting back to prove a point, or two, most likely many more.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Well, now Javier Guillén, Vuelta a España director has joined Christian Prudhomme (Tour de France director) in wanting all names named to get this over with now.

Don't really blame them, if the names are all listed now it gets all the bans done now instead of the trickle we have going on now.

Yes, now Cipo falls, well as long as they all fall it will be fair but this trickle of names goes on for years its gets pretty pathetic more can it get more pathetic?

Once again, T&R not coming soon enough for some, but maybe this is the Omerta biting back to prove a point, or two, most likely many more.

Forget T&R. Only clowns bothers with that now. The ball seems to be rolling by its own at this point

 

[Mad Elephant Man]

I have no Italian. Cipollini is being accused of being a Fuentes client? Or is it stronger than accused?

 

[racyrichuk]

I have no Italian. Cipollini is being accused of being a Fuentes client? Or is it stronger than accused?

With a little google translate help we find that it says' Here are the cards that accuse Cipollini', with a little pic of the notepaper listing the PEDs. It then says it exclusively reveals what Spanish doctor Fuentes prescribed the cyclist in his 'magical' 2002 : EPO, blood doping and hormones.

 

[Mad Elephant Man]

With a little google translate help we find that it says' Here are the cards that accuse Cipollini', with a little pic of the notepaper listing the PEDs. It then says it exclusively reveals what Spanish doctor Fuentes prescribed the cyclist in his 'magical' 2002 : EPO, blood doping and hormones.

Thank you sir, most helpful.

 

[Mad Elephant Man]

When did Fuentes start doping athletes?

 

[roundabout]

Probably in 1985.

 

[ultimobici]

Probably in 1985.

Is that a guess or is there any corroborating evidence/testimony?

 

[Descender]

Is that a guess or is there any corroborating evidence/testimony?

roundabout is probably referring to this article on El Pais, dating from 1985.

http://elpais.com/diario/1985/02/14/deportes/477183611_850215.html

I don't have time to translate it but it basically says a young Fuentes had been summoned to Madrid from his place on the Canary Islands to work on medical improvements for the Spanish track and field athletes.

 

[Mad Elephant Man]

Probably in 1985.

Thank you

I was certainly not expecting a date that early. I still have an awful lot to learn.