Popovych testifies

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Popo is now an Italian citizen.

You know how they are about official testimony in Italy. About as reliable as your forensic evidence.

 

[thehog]

You know how they are about official testimony in Italy. About as reliable as your forensic evidence.

Just relax.

 

[avanti]

i don't know if that's the forgone conclusion. i tried to understand how novi could compel a foreign citizen to testify. it looks like popo had a choice to flat out refuse the subpoena. he chose to cooperate...but i'm no legal expert and still wonder.

If he refused to testify he probably would not be allowed to enter the USA in the future 9or be arrested upon qarrival).

 

[MadonePro]

Should not be a surprise that they knew he was coming. Armstrong does not have friends, he has employees. Novitzky has plenty of Armstrong insiders feeding him info......where do you think I get mine?

Enlighten us. I've passed this info back to the US Fed link. You can't come into a public forum and suggest you know info being discussed in a federal investigation.

As for your comment about Lance not having friends... Clearly you'll never be one of them.

 

[MadonePro]

Then this investigation will have served a valuable public purpose keeping that slimebucket at bay. Quite a good use of taxpayer dollars after all.

Johan has already stated he will meet when asked.

Oh and to all in here, let's remember what the case is all about! The question being answered 'was public money, used to fund the USPS team's doping program'. If the answer is yes, the owners of that team, will be charged with fraud, amongst other things. There will be no rider, or DS charges, as they were employees!
The investigation won't even state who doped, only if it is found there was doping going on, it will simply answer that question.

To all the Lance Haters, get a life, it's so sad that you have to spend time online, getting worked up about all this. Get a bike, and go ride it...

 

[thehog]

Was at VeloNews today. Surprised to see the comments over there. Tide has really turned.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2010...ch-subpoenaed-in-grand-jury-probe_148666?news

 

[PotentialPro]

Johan has already stated he will meet when asked.

Oh and to all in here, let's remember what the case is all about! The question being answered 'was public money, used to fund the USPS team's doping program'. If the answer is yes, the owners of that team, will be charged with fraud, amongst other things. There will be no rider, or DS charges, as they were employees!
The investigation won't even state who doped, only if it is found there was doping going on, it will simply answer that question.

To all the Lance Haters, get a life, it's so sad that you have to spend time online, getting worked up about all this. Get a bike, and go ride it...

If the case is solely about funds during this time, how can Popo be called when he wasnt associated with the team during that time period? Much like the baseball investigation, this has gone further beyond just the USPS aspects now since riders after the fact are now being called.

Also, I wonder if they deposed Popo prior to Grand Jury testimony? It would be a waste to not depose him, call the GJ and get no comments, I dont recall, and other useless info. The GJ is in place to progress to a indictment and ultimately trial.

 

[MadonePro]

If the case is solely about funds during this time, how can Popo be called when he wasnt associated with the team during that time period? Much like the baseball investigation, this has gone further beyond just the USPS aspects now since riders after the fact are now being called.

Also, I wonder if they deposed Popo prior to Grand Jury testimony? It would be a waste to not depose him, call the GJ and get no comments, I dont recall, and other useless info. The GJ is in place to progress to a indictment and ultimately trial.

You can invite anyone to provide evidence, but you cannot punish outside of your jurisdiction.
But this is aimed at the organisation, not individuals. And it is aimed at a nationally owned company, hence the charge of fraud that the Feds have jurisdiction to investigate.

 

[BotanyBay]

To all the Lance Haters, get a life, it's so sad that you have to spend time online, getting worked up about all this. Get a bike, and go ride it...

Please don't try and control how I think or how I feel. Get your own life and stop trying to alter the course of mine.

 

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Please don't try and control how I think or how I feel. Get your own life and stop trying to alter the course of mine.

Somewhere in this quote is a hit pop song waiting to be unleashed.

 

[MadonePro]

Please don't try and control how I think or how I feel. Get your own life and stop trying to alter the course of mine.

Pot - Kettle - Black!

You people show your diatribe down our throats, yet cry wolf when we ask the same as you have, tough!

 

[Hugh Januss]

To all the Lance Haters, get a life, it's so sad that you have to spend time online, getting worked up about all this. Get a bike, and go ride it...

And trotting out this used up cliche for the hundredth time is the height of LAME.

 

[Race Radio]

Johan has already stated he will meet when asked.

Oh and to all in here, let's remember what the case is all about! The question being answered 'was public money, used to fund the USPS team's doping program'. If the answer is yes, the owners of that team, will be charged with fraud, amongst other things. There will be no rider, or DS charges, as they were employees!
The investigation won't even state who doped, only if it is found there was doping going on, it will simply answer that question.

To all the Lance Haters, get a life, it's so sad that you have to spend time online, getting worked up about all this. Get a bike, and go ride it...

You are confused. That is the focus of the Whistle Blower investigation. Novitzy focus is much broader.

 

[MadonePro]

You are confused. That is the focus of the Whistle Blower investigation. Novitzy focus is much broader.

Nope.

'The federal investigation centres on the finances of Mr. Armstrong’s now-defunct team and whether or not it conspired to defraud the U.S. Postal Service, an independent government agency and its title sponsor for eight years, by using money for performance-enhancing drugs, or improving results through doping'

WSJ 2010

 

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Actually. It is highly unlikely the owners of the team knew there was doping on the team. So I doubt they could be charged with a fraud either. But, let's wait and see what Nowinsky comes up with before jumping to conclusions.

 

[Bicicleta]

He only testified for 2 hours.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news;_ylt=ArmREJdVXUGZsDnCo_uXgjZ.grcF?slug=ap-armstrong-doping

 

[Race Radio]

Nope.

'The federal investigation centres on the finances of Mr. Armstrong’s now-defunct team and whether or not it conspired to defraud the U.S. Postal Service, an independent government agency and its title sponsor for eight years, by using money for performance-enhancing drugs, or improving results through doping'

WSJ 2010

Nope, since then it has become clear that there are two investigations. One focused on the Whistle blowing charges and the other on a varity of doping, money, and racketeering related

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/04/sports/cycling/04cycling.html

Notice that Novitzky is gathering separate information. This case is far beyond just defrauding the USPS

 

[mikeNphilly]

Johan has already stated he will meet when asked.

Oh and to all in here, let's remember what the case is all about! The question being answered 'was public money, used to fund the USPS team's doping program'. If the answer is yes, the owners of that team, will be charged with fraud, amongst other things. There will be no rider, or DS charges, as they were employees!
The investigation won't even state who doped, only if it is found there was doping going on, it will simply answer that question.

To all the Lance Haters, get a life, it's so sad that you have to spend time online, getting worked up about all this. Get a bike, and go ride it...

One point I have to make when I see this...The USPS does not get any tax payer money or public money to fund itself. It has been that way since the 80's. It is a govenment agency no doubt, but gets no public/tax payer money.

 

[Benotti69]

Actually. It is highly unlikely the owners of the team knew there was doping on the team. So I doubt they could be charged with a fraud either. But, let's wait and see what Nowinsky comes up with before jumping to conclusions.

Armstrong was one of the owners and i imagine Weisel knew where every last buck was spent

 

[MadonePro]

Nope, since then it has become clear that there are two investigations. One focused on the Whistle blowing charges and the other on a varity of doping, money, and racketeering related

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/04/sports/cycling/04cycling.html

Notice that Novitzky is gathering separate information. This case is far beyond just defrauding the USPS

Yep i've read that article to, and all it says to me, is that Landis will pursue his claim (for money) and the Feds are investigating (what I stated before) the possibility of fraud.

The US government cannot investigate doping in sport, there is a body for that. It cannot operate outside it's jurisdiction. The whole point of this, and it's political driven, is to ensure that the matter is raised and resolved.
Lance is popular with politicians, and this will be the chance one, and for all, to shut up the detractors who state he doped, and cheated his way to victory.
It's got boring...

 

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Armstrong was one of the owners and i imagine Weisel knew where every last buck was spent

Rather than saying what we think we know, as what we know, how about we just wait and see what Nowinsky compels people to show him under oath.

 

[MadonePro]

Armstrong was one of the owners and i imagine Weisel knew where every last buck was spent

Incorrect, Lance was a paid employee, the team was co-owned by Tailwind Sports Corp. of San Francisco and Capital Sports & Entertainment of Austin, TX.

Further Info

 

[Kennf1]

The US government cannot investigate doping in sport, there is a body for that. It cannot operate outside it's jurisdiction. The whole point of this, and it's political driven, is to ensure that the matter is raised and resolved.
Lance is popular with politicians, and this will be the chance one, and for all, to shut up the detractors who state he doped, and cheated his way to victory.
It's got boring...

Wow, so the entire investigation was actually instigated by Lance as a chance to prove his innocence? Brilliant! Wait, how does that fit into the "waste of taxpayer money" talking point?

 

[Benotti69]

Incorrect, Lance was a paid employee, the team was co-owned by Tailwind Sports Corp. of San Francisco and Capital Sports & Entertainment of Austin, TX.

Further Info

it is my understanding that he adimitted in the SCA Insurance bonus case to being an owner and what was written down had no effect on the serious decisions as Armstrongs seal of approval had to be on everything.

LA statements to the press mean zilch.

 

[buckwheat]

Johan has already stated he will meet when asked.

Oh and to all in here, let's remember what the case is all about! The question being answered 'was public money, used to fund the USPS team's doping program'. If the answer is yes, the owners of that team, will be charged with fraud, amongst other things. There will be no rider, or DS charges, as they were employees!
The investigation won't even state who doped, only if it is found there was doping going on, it will simply answer that question.

To all the Lance Haters, get a life, it's so sad that you have to spend time online, getting worked up about all this. Get a bike, and go ride it...

Hi dude!

Got a short ride in today so I'll make a short comment...

Bromance!