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My memory of previous Vallters is that those were mostly group rides with the exception of 2019, so it's not surprising that 2 most aggressively raced climbs are the 2 fastest.

What's more worrying is that Yates gained a minute on a 30 minute climb.
 
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So, in a nutshell:

1) Nairo won here in 2013 with an ascent time of 34m19s. He smashed his own time by over a minute in 2019 when he arrived with Yates, Martin and Bernal (33m10s). Today, he put another 30 sec into his younger self, but that was only good enough for 11th place, 36 sec behind Yates.

2) Valverde was second to the line in 2013 with 34m26s (give or take). Today, 8 years later and in his forties, he was 19 sec slower than Yates, that is, 32m27s, but still a full two minutes faster than his former self (who, let's not forget, was 1st in Vuelta Andalucía, 3rd in La Vuelta (taking the green jersey), 3rd in the Worlds and 3rd in UCI WT rankings)

3) in 2019, Yates (and Co.) crushed the all-time record for this ascent. Today, he put just over a minute into his own time and still looked fresh as a daisy at the line.

Everyone can draw their own conclusions, I guess...
 
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So, in a nutshell:

1) Nairo won here in 2013 with an ascent time of 34m19s. He smashed his own time by over a minute in 2019 when he arrived with Yates, Martin and Bernal (33m10s). Today, he put another 30 sec into his younger self, but that was only good enough for 11th place, 36 sec behind Yates.

2) Valverde was second to the line in 2013 with 34m26s (give or take). Today, 8 years later and in his forties, he was 19 sec slower than Yates, that is, 32m27s, but still a full two minutes faster than his former self (who, let's not forget, was 1st in Vuelta Andalucía, 3rd in La Vuelta (taking the green jersey), 3rd in the Worlds and 3rd in UCI WT rankings)

3) in 2019, Yates (and Co.) crushed the all-time record for this ascent. Today, he put just over a minute into his own time and still looked fresh as a daisy at the line.

Everyone can draw their own conclusions, I guess...
It's all on the legit up and up! Yates also posted a pretty dang good TT yesterday for such a lightweight climber. I still remember when he basically transformed into a much better time trialist.
 
So, in a nutshell:

1) Nairo won here in 2013 with an ascent time of 34m19s. He smashed his own time by over a minute in 2019 when he arrived with Yates, Martin and Bernal (33m10s). Today, he put another 30 sec into his younger self, but that was only good enough for 11th place, 36 sec behind Yates.

2) Valverde was second to the line in 2013 with 34m26s (give or take). Today, 8 years later and in his forties, he was 19 sec slower than Yates, that is, 32m27s, but still a full two minutes faster than his former self (who, let's not forget, was 1st in Vuelta Andalucía, 3rd in La Vuelta (taking the green jersey), 3rd in the Worlds and 3rd in UCI WT rankings)

3) in 2019, Yates (and Co.) crushed the all-time record for this ascent. Today, he put just over a minute into his own time and still looked fresh as a daisy at the line.

Everyone can draw their own conclusions, I guess...
/r/peloton be like

  1. Stage was easier today
  2. Better field
  3. They raced more aggressively
  4. Tailwind
 
My memory of previous Vallters is that those were mostly group rides with the exception of 2019, so it's not surprising that 2 most aggressively raced climbs are the 2 fastest.

What's more worrying is that Yates gained a minute on a 30 minute climb.
The aggression yesterday was more of a function of no team drilling it very cohesively. Yates attacked from a 30 guy peloton yesterday, doesn't indicate a super optimal pacing strategy to me. He also waited around for Kuss to attack then crushed him.
 
The aggression yesterday was more of a function of no team drilling it very cohesively. Yates attacked from a 30 guy peloton yesterday, doesn't indicate a super optimal pacing strategy to me. He also waited around for Kuss to attack then crushed him.
i mean to me it's not obvious that it's worse pacing then chugging along behind, say, Castroviejo up to 2 km to go and having all attacks start then
 
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/r/peloton be like

  1. Stage was easier today
  2. Better field
  3. They raced more aggressively
  4. Tailwind
Those are definitely the arguments people make to justify what we're witnessing. And, of course, they hold the moral high ground and the rest of us are just a bunch of ignorant, delusional, lay faultfinders.
 
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Vallter 2000 is just simply not a very good measuring stick (it doesn't lead itself to all-out performances). Prati di Tivo was. Portet and Luz Ardiden should be as well, if they go all-out.
On paper, I agree. And if this was a one-off thing, we probably wouldn't be discussing it in the first place. But it's been the case so often lately, regardless of who was in contention and what the underlying circumstances/factors were, that it's just one more example of what is becoming an undeniable trend.
 
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Vallter 2000 is just simply not a very good measuring stick (it doesn't lead itself to all-out performances). Prati di Tivo was. Portet and Luz Ardiden should be as well, if they go all-out.
I'd argue otherwise. It's pretty perfect for a 30 to 35 minute climb. Steepest in the first half to boot. The only thing against it is these climbs just aren't raced raced 5+ times in 10 years.

Also, because it seems like half the peloton is on it, tempo climbs where choo choo trains dominate 90% of it can be used as decent measuring sticks as well.
 
Some headwind according to Chaves:
I knew the roads. I live in Andorra and I knew it was a very hard stage. I wanted to try something. I had nothing to lose and a lot to gain. There was a headwind and that was a risk but in the end, things turned out very well. I had great legs today and felt good, and showed it with this great victory," Chaves said at the line.
 

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