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BigBoat said:If he only weighs 71 kg then he's even 'more' "JACKED" through the roof. LOL, 6 watts per kilo at FTP just does not happen cleanly. But then again, when JACKED on HGH, cortisol, cow blood it certainly does happen all the time.
There are lots of amateurs that are doped and would be good pros if they raced pro. Thats true. BTW, if you have a problem with my comments you can just put me on ignore. LOL
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Waikiki said:You have no idea what is possible without doping. The riders at TdF are the very best in the world, in their very best form. Among these riders, a few excel. Fantastic talent, training to perfection and an extreme ability to suffer separate these riders from others. Yes, a lot of riders have doped over the years, and there are probably doped riders in this year's TdF as well. But a 6 W/kg FTP is nothing magic.
I know for a fact of clean pros who have done 6.2 W/kg for more than 45 minutes during racing. They didn't maintain the power for an hour because the climb wasn't long enough.
I also know for a fact of clean 20-year-olds who have done 6.1 W/kg for half an hour during training. These riders were reasonably good climbers at 2.2-races. They were former mountain bikers. Their problem was a lack of endurance and experience due to their young age. They often couldn't cope with the long racing distances and position fighting to have enough power left for the final climbs. Such skills take years to achieve. Body composition is also an issue. Cyclist often gradually lose weight during their career, losing upper body muscle and a little body fat.
I'm not saying whether Wiggins is racing cleanly or not. But for sure 6.0 W/kg is possible without doping for many of the best riders.
Benotti69 said:Wiggins only showing it at a late age increases the doubt.
iZnoGouD said:How long had that 20 years old rider been riding? just for curiosity
Experience and repeatability is needed for longer races, but an FTP of 6.0 is not common at all........Brajkovic's is around 5.8 right now. Riders can lie about their power output though and I'm sure it happens a lot. Now you can have the slope wrong on a power meter or the rider can mess with the slope to make the power file read higher than it is. We've not seen many 20 year olds who could even possibly have 6.0 w/kg in the last 20 years.............. Maybe Ullrich had close to 6.0 after he started using epo in the mid 1990s at age 20. He might not have back then even! Now at age 23 he certainly had over 6 watts per kilo after a little advice from Mr. 60%.Waikiki said:You have no idea what is possible without doping. The riders at TdF are the very best in the world, in their very best form. Among these riders, a few excel. Fantastic talent, training to perfection and an extreme ability to suffer separate these riders from others. Yes, a lot of riders have doped over the years, and there are probably doped riders in this year's TdF as well. But a 6 W/kg FTP is nothing magic.
I know for a fact of clean pros who have done 6.2 W/kg for more than 45 minutes during racing. They didn't maintain the power for an hour because the climb wasn't long enough.
I also know for a fact of clean 20-year-olds who have done 6.1 W/kg for half an hour during training. These riders were reasonably good climbers at 2.2-races. They were former mountain bikers. Their problem was a lack of endurance and experience due to their young age. They often couldn't cope with the long racing distances and position fighting to have enough power left for the final climbs. Such skills take years to achieve. Body composition is also an issue. Cyclist often gradually lose weight during their career, losing upper body muscle and a little body fat.
I'm not saying whether Wiggins is racing cleanly or not. But for sure 6.0 W/kg is possible without doping for many of the best riders.
BigBoat said:Experience and repeatability is needed for longer races, but an FTP of 6.0 is not common at all........Brajkovic's is around 5.8 right now.
Tyler'sTwin said:Didn't he do 6.0 in the TT?
Waikiki said:I know for a fact of clean pros who have done 6.2 W/kg for more than 45 minutes during racing. They didn't maintain the power for an hour because the climb wasn't long enough.
131313 said:Either they have grand tour winning potential, or their power meters need calibrated. Froome crushed the field with a TT of 5.8 w/kg in last year's Vuelta. Schleck and Contador are doing 6.0 w/kg up the long climbs in the TDF.
131313 said:Either they have grand tour winning potential, or their power meters need calibrated. Froome crushed the field with a TT of 5.8 w/kg in last year's Vuelta. Schleck and Contador are doing 6.0 w/kg up the long climbs in the TDF.
Zweistein said:None other than Dr.Ferrari said that a rider had to ride above 6.0 to a Tour de France champion. Him saying that speaks volumes. I call BS on anyone knowing a 20 year old who can do that at the end of a long stage clean.
wannab said:While I agree and this also raises doubts to me, in all fairness to Wiggins, he did show early results on the track. I don't know much about track performances (more anaerobic? similarities to road etc.) but given his results (Words, Olympics, ..) this somewhat makes it a bit more credible to me.
iZnoGouD said:Isn't Andy Schleck FTP in top form at 6.4 w/kg, Contador isn't too far from that
fatsprintking said:He doesnt.
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Your power estimates on here are based on an estimate of weight against time for a climb. Not too many big names will give you their SRM files and even if they did they will fudge their weight so it does not look too alien.
412w/67kg = 1h7m10s @ 6,15w at the end of the tour, not bad indeeds
131313 said:Either they have grand tour winning potential, or their power meters need calibrated. Froome crushed the field with a TT of 5.8 w/kg in last year's Vuelta. Schleck and Contador are doing 6.0 w/kg up the long climbs in the TDF.
BigBoat said:No he averaged 5.6 w/kg for the TT. But it was done in the aero position which for most costs some power.
Tyler'sTwin said:Jani's data says 337 watts, 5.6 w/kg, for the finishing climb. So his stated weight is 60 kg.
He did 5.3 w/kg on the previous HC climb.
LaFlorecita said:How do you know.