Pozzovivo = pots-of-epo

[Netserk]

Just assumed W/(kg of body weight + bike) should be the same*, so 5.96W/kg for 68kg is 405W which is 5.41W/kg for 68+6.8=74.8kg. 5.41W/kg for 51+6.8=57.8kg is 313W which is 6.13W/kg for 51kg.

This has to be true, P = Fv = mgv --> P/m = gv (P - power, m - mass, v - speed, g - gravitational acceleration). So for the same speed v uphill and the same gravitational constant g, P/m should be the same, and the mass lifted is rider + bike.

There's more than just gravity (rolling resistance and air resistance), so the difference is bigger.

 

[DirtyWorks]

If two such riders existed and were matching each other in the mountains in some sort of french cycling race, the difference between them in the time trial could be a good marginal gains barometer (> or < 1 minute)

I'm not replying to you directly, just a general comment.

This marginal gains thing needs to die already.

The "clean" guy who got his transfusion yesterday wins and never tests positive. Marginal gain?

The other "clean" guy running Horner's program from the Vuelta wins and never tests positive. Marginal gain?

Let's imagine one is "pan y agua." One could have marginal gains sleeping on volcanos and such and WILL lose to the other never tested positive guy running Horner's *perfectly* designed program.

Without a consistent anti-doping program the race has moved to the hotel room where who-knows-what is used seeking a few more watts.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

That teammate was a lot more ridiculous though.

But was also a lot more proven at the time.

And he had lost a lot of time so was allowed to go in those ridiculous day after day breakaways, while Domenico managed to get his GC place by getting a free ride because of everybody having to chase his teammate.

However, if I was going to dope for racing benefit, the way his teammate did it was the way to go. No subtlety, all lunacy.

 

[The Hitch]

But was also a lot more proven at the time.

And he had lost a lot of time so was allowed to go in those ridiculous day after day breakaways, while Domenico managed to get his GC place by getting a free ride because of everybody having to chase his teammate.

However, if I was going to dope for racing benefit, the way his teammate did it was the way to go. No subtlety, all lunacy.

Why lunacy. There was nothing more "ridiculous about his performances than what loads of others did at the time and have done since. As if contador or froome or Horner or Quintana or Rodriguez wouldn't have been able to win 3 stages from a break if in that position. Rui Costa was probably only a better parcors away from doing it in last years tdf.

 

[roundabout]

But that's the thing, this was a guy who largely stagnated since his 2004 Giro.

And then rode way, way above his previous level especially on stages 14-16

14

started Pampeago ~10 minutes ahead, finished 8.48 ahead after a 50k solo

15

Did struggle a bit on the Fedaia losing ~1.20 in the last 5 km, but was in the break for 180 km the day before

Finishes 2nd by mere seconds in the MTT after being in the break for most of the previous 2 stages

And of course he easily held off Simoni on the last mountain stage (less difficult than it sounds by 2008, but still above previous performances)

Edit: it's also reasonable to suggest he was one of the 3 strongest on the Monte Pora stage

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Why lunacy. There was nothing more "ridiculous about his performances than what loads of others did at the time and have done since. As if contador or froome or Horner or Quintana or Rodriguez wouldn't have been able to win 3 stages from a break if in that position. Rui Costa was probably only a better parcors away from doing it in last years tdf.

Attacking like a madman. Lunatic.

It was glorious to watch and you probably know I am quite positively disposed towards Lelle. And as I say, if I was going to dope up to win bike races, I'd want to do it like he did. It was blatant, over the top and ridiculous, but we're still talking about it 6 years later and will still be doing in a few years' time too. And he held the mountains jersey from day 1 to 21 with more than twice the points of his nearest competitor.

 

[kingjr]

Why lunacy. There was nothing more "ridiculous about his performances than what loads of others did at the time and have done since. As if contador or froome or Horner or Quintana or Rodriguez wouldn't have been able to win 3 stages from a break if in that position. Rui Costa was probably only a better parcors away from doing it in last years tdf.

No, Sella definitely stood out at the time.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Once upon a time Pozzovivo had a teammate who was the exact same height and weight and age as him. Together they flew up the mountains in the giro. They even finished one stage 1-2.

"It's because they are both so light, perfectly built to ride as fast as dopers" those who claimed cycling had cleaned up from the dirty years, cried.

Do you know who the teammate was?

You raise a good point Hitch, but, is there an explanaition why Salty Emmanuel has never gotten back in top ten Giro form as where Pozzovivo - formerly known as 'Puzzovivo' [Google translate will give you a smile] http://livingwithabroadintuscany.blogspot.nl/2013/04/more-bizzarri-italian-names.html - has been a 'steady force' ever since. Hell, he even came within two seconds of the new time trial god at Castilla and Leon in 2011...

 

[Clausfarre]

With Pozzovivo doing his thing these weeks I must give credit to Cycle Chic again for the thread title because I can NOT see his name anywhere without my brain shouting "Pots of epo!". Well done.

 

[The Hitch]

No, Sella definitely stood out at the time.

His performances were no more ridiculous than what gets passed off as clean these days.

 

[kingjr]

His performances were no more ridiculous than what gets passed off as clean these days.

But he got caught shortly after.

 

[The Hitch]

But he got caught shortly after.

If getting caught is the standard by which you measure ridiculousness then he is no more nor less ridiculous than 100 other cyclists.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

His performances were no more ridiculous than what gets passed off as clean these days.

Thats the beauty of human evolism.

 

[sniper]

With Pozzovivo doing his thing these weeks I must give credit to Cycle Chic again for the thread title because I can NOT see his name anywhere without my brain shouting "Pots of epo!". Well done.

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[Cycle Chic]

I AM rather proud of that title - one of my best

and my predictions of course.

 

[kingjr]

If getting caught is the standard by which you measure ridiculousness then he is no more nor less ridiculous than 100 other cyclists.

He still stood out at the time.Which is what I wrote in the first place.

 

[SafeBet]

With Pozzovivo doing his thing these weeks I must give credit to Cycle Chic again for the thread title because I can NOT see his name anywhere without my brain shouting "Pots of epo!". Well done.

Same here, brilliant title indeed

 

[Netserk]

I remember this 'discussion' with Ryo:

How much was he [Pozzovivo, red.] in front after 18km?

he was behind

No he wasn't.

You wanna bet whether or not Pozzo was the first after 18 km?

*Silence from Ryo as usual*

This time is without Nibali (and Horner):

*Silence from Ryo as usual again*

 

[Clausfarre]

I AM rather proud of that title - one of my best

and my predictions of course.

You may or may not be genius. You certainly have given me a gift that keeps on giving!

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

What´s going on here?
Non TTlers from Italy destroying the field so far (Pozzo, Aru, Ulissi, Brambilla).
Does some Italian University found some magic elixir like back in the late 80s?

 

[Afrank]

What´s going on here?
Non TTlers from Italy destroying the field so far (Pozzo, Aru, Ulissi, Brambilla).
Does some Italian University found some magic elixir like back in the late 80s?

The good stuff arrived on the rest day. Just in time for the TT.

 

[Netserk]

Pozzovivo with a similar TT as the Vuelta last year. First on the climb, loses time on the rest of the course. Nothing extraordinary imo.

 

[luckyboy]

Ulissi is the crazy Italian performance today

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Ulissi is the crazy Italian performance today

He has been this Giro for me imo.

 

[roundabout]

Ulissi is the crazy Italian performance today

Not really. Ulissi can TT surprisingly well for an uphill sprinter.