Pre Tour de France-thread

[del1962]

Anyway what do people think of Roglic's chances, got a one pound bet on him and 23-1, seemed like good odds, not expecting him to win, but if an outsider did it would probably be him

 

[Beobachter]

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If, as some people on this forum are definitely hoping for (in fact even stating openly they would get involved in it) Froome was to be interfered with by a spectator, does anybody not think that the racing has to stop while he gets back on? Or is it still a case of 'its a race not a trip to the shops'.

Have people really been wishing for that to happen? If so, that’s pathetic.

Of course other riders should wait if a rider is assaulted. It should go without saying whatever your views about things like mechanicals that a rider getting hit by some clown is not a racing incident.

You've just given Sky the ultimate idea to win that Tour...
Let's fake an incident involving a spectator a day Froome is suffering. Easy to do. And it'll annihilate any attempts to race by other riders because it would be 'unfair' as you (kind of righlty) say.
So basically the one that would like an incident like this to happen is Sky. Good to help Froome if needed. And good anyways for their image of poor little victims.

That's why I find the idea dangerous of anyone that would like to assault Froome. If not already dumb* enough of its own in the first place, such an idea would only play the Sky agenda.

However, I have to disagree on the point you mentioned that riders should wait if something had to happen as a general rule. It shouldn't be taken as a general rule because each situation is particular but also because it's just way too easy to fake the race that way. If Sky knows the riders are gonna stop anyways, it is just giving them a free card to use that situation (and we all know that Sky is using ALL the ways they can find to win, so why not that one)

 

[Parker]

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Anyway what do people think of Roglic's chances, got a one pound bet on him and 23-1, seemed like good odds, not expecting him to win, but if an outsider did it would probably be him

He's my dark horse contender, but he should probably be nearer 50-1. A potential for top 5 but I think he's unproven over three weeks. Quite likely to win a stage or two.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

Re: Re:

If, as some people on this forum are definitely hoping for (in fact even stating openly they would get involved in it) Froome was to be interfered with by a spectator, does anybody not think that the racing has to stop while he gets back on? Or is it still a case of 'its a race not a trip to the shops'.

Have people really been wishing for that to happen? If so, that’s pathetic.

Of course other riders should wait if a rider is assaulted. It should go without saying whatever your views about things like mechanicals that a rider getting hit by some clown is not a racing incident.

You've just given Sky the ultimate idea to win that Tour...
Let's fake an incident involving a spectator a day Froome is suffering. Easy to do. And it'll annihilate any attempts to race by other riders because it would be 'unfair' as you (kind of righlty) say.
So basically the one that would like an incident like this to happen is Sky. Good to help Froome if needed. And good anyways for their image of poor little victims.

That's why I find the idea dangerous of anyone that would like to assault Froome. If not already dumb* enough of its own in the first place, such an idea would only play the Sky agenda.

However, I have to disagree on the point you mentioned that riders should wait if something had to happen as a general rule. It shouldn't be taken as a general rule because each situation is particular but also because it's just way too easy to fake the race that way. If Sky knows the riders are gonna stop anyways, it is just giving them a free card to use that situation (and we all know that Sky is using ALL the ways they can find to win, so why not that one)

Would be interested to hear your views on why everything you've written in this post is only potentially relevant to Sky, and not every single other team in the peloton.

 

[movingtarget]

Re: Re:

If, as some people on this forum are definitely hoping for (in fact even stating openly they would get involved in it) Froome was to be interfered with by a spectator, does anybody not think that the racing has to stop while he gets back on? Or is it still a case of 'its a race not a trip to the shops'.

Have people really been wishing for that to happen? If so, that’s pathetic.

Of course other riders should wait if a rider is assaulted. It should go without saying whatever your views about things like mechanicals that a rider getting hit by some clown is not a racing incident.

I think it's more an possibility this could happen and if it does many wouldn't exactly be surprised.

Chris the running man part two ? Those sorts of incidents are rare. More chance of Froome being mocked by a road runner as Contador was by people with fake needles and surgeon's masks. Hopefully there are no belligerent drunks wandering onto the road although these days it's usually fans taking selfies that forget where they are or people watching the camera bike and not the riders.

 

[Beobachter]

Re: Re:

If, as some people on this forum are definitely hoping for (in fact even stating openly they would get involved in it) Froome was to be interfered with by a spectator, does anybody not think that the racing has to stop while he gets back on? Or is it still a case of 'its a race not a trip to the shops'.

Have people really been wishing for that to happen? If so, that’s pathetic.

Of course other riders should wait if a rider is assaulted. It should go without saying whatever your views about things like mechanicals that a rider getting hit by some clown is not a racing incident.

You've just given Sky the ultimate idea to win that Tour...
Let's fake an incident involving a spectator a day Froome is suffering. Easy to do. And it'll annihilate any attempts to race by other riders because it would be 'unfair' as you (kind of righlty) say.
So basically the one that would like an incident like this to happen is Sky. Good to help Froome if needed. And good anyways for their image of poor little victims.

That's why I find the idea dangerous of anyone that would like to assault Froome. If not already dumb* enough of its own in the first place, such an idea would only play the Sky agenda.

However, I have to disagree on the point you mentioned that riders should wait if something had to happen as a general rule. It shouldn't be taken as a general rule because each situation is particular but also because it's just way too easy to fake the race that way. If Sky knows the riders are gonna stop anyways, it is just giving them a free card to use that situation (and we all know that Sky is using ALL the ways they can find to win, so why not that one)

Would be interested to hear your views on why everything you've written in this post is only potentially relevant to Sky, and not every single other team in the peloton.

Well, it seems pretty obvious...

1) Sky is the only team that thanks to Froome has a big collective image problem right now . Froome is the only one for which some incidents could happen. No other rider participating in this Tour has provoked such anger from the audience. No other team is concerned by the possibility of undesired reactions from the public.
So, it's normal my views are only relevant to Sky, since it's how things are Sky is the subject.

2) Beyond the fact that this situation (if it eventually happens, something I do not wish at all) only applies to Froome and Sky, thus making the whole point of the discussion only relevant about Sky, it has to be added that Sky is a team that has been proved to be ready to use everything in their capabilities to win. It makes to consider how they can use to their advantage the current situation

 

[spalco]

It's a completely crackpot theory though.

 

[Beobachter]

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It's a completely crackpot theory though.

Is it? Really?
It's very likely they lied about the piss supposedly thrown on Froome, sooo...

(It's not that I'm saying they're gonna do that but just that they could use that situation to their advantage )

 

[spalco]

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Is it? Really?

Yes, yes it is.

 

[Vasilis]

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It's a completely crackpot theory though.

Is it? Really?
It's very likely they lied about the piss supposedly thrown on Froome, sooo...

(It's not that I'm saying they're gonna do that but just that they could use that situation to their advantage )

Well maybe Froome did think it was piss, whether that was true or not, but that doesn't make it lying.

 

[LaFlorecita]

https://twitter.com/ukcyclingexpert/status/1014026587283623936

 

[tobydawq]

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https://twitter.com/ukcyclingexpert/status/1014026587283623936

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Star man for Cannondale: Andrew Tolansky!!

 

[RedheadDane]

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https://twitter.com/ukcyclingexpert/status/1014026587283623936

:lol:

Here's the full list of "Star Men"

Sunweb: Dumoulin (okay, he's actually in the race, good start.)

Trek: Contador (retired)

"Cannondale-Drapac": "Tolansky" (retired, can't get the names right either)

Cofidis: Bouhanni (not in the race)

Direct Energie: Voeckler (retired)

FDJ: Pinot (not in the race)

"Fortuned-Vital Concept": McLay (not in the race, and wrong team...)

If it weren't for the presence of Dumoulin I'd almost think this was from last year... what with the old team names and retired (or misplacd) riders.

 

[DNP-Old]

They said that Cavendish could have a chance to end on the podium, while Greipel and Sagan could get a top 6 as well.

 

[DNP-Old]

They were spot on about Mikel Landa riding for Mikel Landa though.

 

[RedheadDane]

Hmm... I think I'm missing something. Is there a link to the full article somewhere? Not just the tweet.

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

Alberto Contador coming out of retirement to ride the Le Tour? I would say as some people last Monday: I'm out.

 

[Koronin]

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Hmm... I think I'm missing something. Is there a link to the full article somewhere? Not just the tweet.

This. I'd also like a link to the full article.

Is someone going to inform Contador he's coming out of retirement to race?

 

[Escarabajo]

Re: Re:

If, as some people on this forum are definitely hoping for (in fact even stating openly they would get involved in it) Froome was to be interfered with by a spectator, does anybody not think that the racing has to stop while he gets back on? Or is it still a case of 'its a race not a trip to the shops'.

Have people really been wishing for that to happen? If so, that’s pathetic.

Of course other riders should wait if a rider is assaulted. It should go without saying whatever your views about things like mechanicals that a rider getting hit by some clown is not a racing incident.

I think it's more an possibility this could happen and if it does many wouldn't exactly be surprised.

Chris the running man part two ? Those sorts of incidents are rare. More chance of Froome being mocked by a road runner as Contador was by people with fake needles and surgeon's masks. Hopefully there are no belligerent drunks wandering onto the road although these days it's usually fans taking selfies that forget where they are or people watching the camera bike and not the riders.

LOL.

We will be comparing differences in punches among all of them:

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

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Hmm... I think I'm missing something. Is there a link to the full article somewhere? Not just the tweet.

This. I'd also like a link to the full article.

Is someone going to inform Contador he's coming out of retirement to race?

Yes :razz:

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Hmm... I think I'm missing something. Is there a link to the full article somewhere? Not just the tweet.

I think they edited the article

 

[LaFlorecita]

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They said that Cavendish could have a chance to end on the podium, while Greipel and Sagan could get a top 6 as well.

Greipel looking at the flat stages to shave some minutes off his time
Such a poor understanding of cycling I have to wonder if this was written by some intern who indeed just took last years preview and copied it for a big part

 

[Gigs_98]

Are you all seriously still talking about that Daily Mirror preview? I read it and was 99.9% sure that's just something someone wrote to mock the Daily Mirror and wasn't actually published by them. Does anyone have any prove this is real?

Edit: I looked it up and holy s*it that was actually real? I'm not able to put into words what I'm thinking right now. It's just completely ridiculous.

 

[tobydawq]

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They said that Cavendish could have a chance to end on the podium, while Greipel and Sagan could get a top 6 as well.

Greipel looking at the flat stages to shave some minutes off his time
Such a poor understanding of cycling I have to wonder if this was written by some intern who indeed just took last years preview and copied it for a big part

Tolansky's time-line had indeed been corrected. It said it was three years since he was close to top 10, which is true. Chavez and Quintana would be amongst those battling for top 6 too (pretty arbitrary number) and Simon Yates wouldn't be here because he had been leading a big part of the Giro (so the Chavez part was from this year).

Some of the weirder stuff I have seen.

 

[Koronin]

Aside from Contador coming out of retirement "Tolansky" must also be coming out of retirement.