Predict the Top 5 GC in Tour de France

[damian13ster]

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lol kreuziger better than almost every sky riders besides froome and maby stannard on the flats and almost everyone uphill too what world have you lived in? Have you even watched some of the last TT over the last 5 years??

Have you?
Kreuziger this year:
Giro: 43rd
Tirreno: TT 47th and prologue 45th

2014:
Suisse: TT 19th, prologue 15th
Pais Vasco: TT 21st
Tirreno: TT 26th

Not so very impressive. At least not good enough to be counted among the few top riders, as you're claiming. Masses of riders are better than him on the flat.

using that logic majka is better than froome on this TT so even better for saxo

Froome vs Majka in TTs (source: cqranking)
2015:
13 - 9
1 - 14

2014:
13 - 55

2013:

1 - 22

2012:
3 - 84
5 - 7


Your 'logic' lacks actual logic.

 

[blackmamba]

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lol kreuziger better than almost every sky riders besides froome and maby stannard on the flats and almost everyone uphill too what world have you lived in? Have you even watched some of the last TT over the last 5 years??

Have you?
Kreuziger this year:
Giro: 43rd
Tirreno: TT 47th and prologue 45th

2014:
Suisse: TT 19th, prologue 15th
Pais Vasco: TT 21st
Tirreno: TT 26th

Not so very impressive. At least not good enough to be counted among the few top riders, as you're claiming. Masses of riders are better than him on the flat.

using that logic majka is better than froome on this TT so even better for saxo

Froome vs Majka in TTs (source: cqranking)
2015:
13 - 9
1 - 14

2014:
13 - 55

2013:

1 - 22

2012:
3 - 84
5 - 7


Your 'logic' lacks actual logic.

lmfao was obvious not serious rather more making a point out of how pointless that point he made was.

But as I said sky is imo whatever I dont even think of them as the main contenders for Contador. Nibali and Quintana is the ones im afraid of with Quintana as the main guy. Sky is as mental fragile as they always been so they will be just as irrelevant as they was in the giro (and all the sky guys will be as surprised all over again which is always hillarious ) more interessted tho is what team moviestar comfirm for the tour and also astana that will be more interessting!

 

[LaFlorecita]

Froome won a TT this year? I missed that.

 

[damian13ster]

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lmfao was obvious not serious rather more making a point out of how pointless that point he made was.

But as I said sky is imo whatever I dont even think of them as the main contenders for Contador. Nibali and Quintana is the ones im afraid of with Quintana as the main guy. Sky is as mental fragile as they always been so they will be just as irrelevant as they was in the giro (and all the sky guys will be as surprised all over again which is always hillarious ) more interessted tho is what team moviestar comfirm for the tour and also astana that will be more interessting!

But his response actually shows significant amount of data that supports his opinion so not sure what was your point.

Sky has won 2 out of 3 last Tours, and the single one not won was the one in which their leader crashed.
You know absolutely nothing about cycling if you don't see them as relevant.

 

[damian13ster]

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Froome won a TT this year? I missed that.

Results of TTT got wedged in there. My bad

 

[Jagartrott]

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lmfao was obvious not serious rather more making a point out of how pointless that point he made was.

But as I said sky is imo whatever I dont even think of them as the main contenders for Contador. Nibali and Quintana is the ones im afraid of with Quintana as the main guy. Sky is as mental fragile as they always been so they will be just as irrelevant as they was in the giro (and all the sky guys will be as surprised all over again which is always hillarious ) more interessted tho is what team moviestar comfirm for the tour and also astana that will be more interessting!

That 'pointless point' was a direct reply to your 'argument':

lol kreuziger better than almost every sky riders besides froome and maby stannard on the flats and almost everyone uphill too what world have you lived in? Have you even watched some of the last TT over the last 5 years??

I want to discuss things, but not with people who forget what they themselves said moments earlier.

 

[blackmamba]

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lmfao was obvious not serious rather more making a point out of how pointless that point he made was.

But as I said sky is imo whatever I dont even think of them as the main contenders for Contador. Nibali and Quintana is the ones im afraid of with Quintana as the main guy. Sky is as mental fragile as they always been so they will be just as irrelevant as they was in the giro (and all the sky guys will be as surprised all over again which is always hillarious ) more interessted tho is what team moviestar comfirm for the tour and also astana that will be more interessting!

But his response actually shows significant amount of data that supports his opinion so not sure what was your point.

Sky has won 2 out of 3 last Tours, and the single one not won was the one in which their leader crashed.
You know absolutely nothing about cycling if you don't see them as relevant.

Haha compared to contador yes they become very irrelevant, again have you watched cycling the last 10 years? Only reason froome won that year was cause contador was not contador (first gt since ban so reasonable reasons for not beeing on a top lvl) and wiggins win again contador didnt participate. The Vuelta when they was more even in form contador schooled sky just like he did in giro again this year and will again so yes sky becomes kinda irrelevant young sir, im more afraid of quintana than i am of froome that is for sure.

 

[blackmamba]

Back to the topic tho my top 5 for the tour would be:

1. Contador
2. Quintana
3. Nibali
4. purito
5. Froome

Let the tour begin

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Froome won a TT this year? I missed that.

Results of TTT got wedged in there. My bad

No issue I genuinely did not know if he had won one or not

 

[Netserk]

For me Tinkoff is the favourite for the TTT together with Etixx. Astana and Sky to fill the rest of the top-4.

 

[blackmamba]

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For me Tinkoff is the favourite for the TTT together with Etixx. Astana and Sky to fill the rest of the top-4.

exactly what i said barring any crashes on the earlier stages and saxo gets kreuziger for the tour it will be a lock

 

[damian13ster]

For me in TTT its
1. Etixx
2. Sky
3/4 Tinkoff/Astana.
I think Movistar will be at level below.
Also not sure what to make of OGE.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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For me Tinkoff is the favourite for the TTT together with Etixx. Astana and Sky to fill the rest of the top-4.

I agree but we have to see who Tinkoff bring to the race. If they bring Jesus and Sergio it will be very hard to finish top 5

 

[Netserk]

Why? It's not like they will have to slow so they can keep up. They'll burn them in the start.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Why? It's not like they will have to slow so they can keep up. They'll burn them in the start.

True but better to have two strong riders who can contribute in their spot
edit: to clarify if they bring the team I listed above they will fight for the win. But Jesus and Paulinho would take the spots of two solid TTers because Majka and Kiserlovski are almost certain to be at the start. So the overall strength would go down drastically.

 

[ILovecycling]

Movistar and Saxo will definitely top 5 that ttt, not so sure about Sky, their ttt's are nothing special recently.

 

[damian13ster]

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Movistar and Saxo will definitely top 5 that ttt, not so sure about Sky, their ttt's are nothing special recently.

Romandie was quite recent, wasn't it? They also got 2nd in Trentino.
Unless of course everything past Giro is not recent for you anymore

 

[Netserk]

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Movistar and Saxo will definitely top 5 that ttt, not so sure about Sky, their ttt's are nothing special recently.

I'm not sure about Movistar for the top-5, they'll have to carry Quintana and it's not in Spain. I'm absolutely sure the four teams I listed will beat them and I'm not sure Movistar will beat every other team for the 5th spot.

 

[Arredondo]

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Movistar and Saxo will definitely top 5 that ttt, not so sure about Sky, their ttt's are nothing special recently.

I'm not sure about Movistar for the top-5, they'll have to carry Quintana and it's not in Spain. I'm absolutely sure the four teams I listed will beat them and I'm not sure Movistar will beat every other team for the 5th spot.

What about FDJ and Katusha?

 

[Netserk]

Katusha will be slaughtered

 

[Arredondo]

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Katusha will be slaughtered

I think that will be the case

Tinkoff will be good indeed based on their team. Sky interesting on the other hand: could go out two ways.

 

[DFA123]

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Movistar and Saxo will definitely top 5 that ttt, not so sure about Sky, their ttt's are nothing special recently.

I'm not sure about Movistar for the top-5, they'll have to carry Quintana and it's not in Spain. I'm absolutely sure the four teams I listed will beat them and I'm not sure Movistar will beat every other team for the 5th spot.

Since Quintana started his pro career, he has won three time trials (counting both individual and team), all of them in Grand Tours. In that same time, the entire proposed Tinkoff team have won one (Sagan in a very short and flat race in California).

Quintana can more than handle himself in the time trial; especially on the hills he will more than contribute and pull his weight.

 

[ILovecycling]

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Movistar and Saxo will definitely top 5 that ttt, not so sure about Sky, their ttt's are nothing special recently.

Romandie was quite recent, wasn't it? They also got 2nd in Trentino.
Unless of course everything past Giro is not recent for you anymore

Forgot about Trentino, but ttt's in GT's is what is the most important and in them they sucked recently.

 

[thesrick]

Obviously almost impossible to predict, but here's my pick:

Nibali
Quintana
Valverde
Contador
Pinot

The thing is, we have many uncertainties. We don't know how much super-peak Nibali would fare against Froome or Contador in the big mountains, as we've been robbed of that battle last year. We don't know how Contador will look like with a very intense Giro in his legs. We don't know if it is 2013 or inconsistent 2014 Froome. We don't know Quintana's current climbing level compared to the other 3 big favorites. We don't even know if all of them will stay upright in the first week. I just hope that we'll see a big battle with all of them in perfect condition for the Tour so that there are no "What if" questions left like they were last year.

 

[Red Rick]

You can't say too much about the TTT already, there will be some 7 men teams already by then, the ASO tried really hard to make sure of that