Predicted Best rider of 2013

[The Hitch]

Hard to call. Im thinking Gilbert purito and piti as they have the most options. Cancellara can win a monument or twoand words tt but that's not domination. Contador can win tour maybebt also not domination.

Gilbert meanwhile can win every classic with a hill, valverde can rack up thousands of cq points through stages stage races classics and gt podiums and purito has plenty of options with 2 gts ardennes stage races and worlds.

 

[Gloin22]

I guess someone is going to win the Giro, Vuelta and Worlds?

I said one of ...

Obviosly if someone won that, he'd be the best rider.

But if you win Tour, you're one of the best riders of the year. End of basically. happytramp statement doesnt make any sense...

''coming nowhere close to being the best rider next year..... He'll win the Tour and Catalunya''

 

[Shardi]

I think its Phil-time again.. Perhaps time to land a MSR or RvV ahead of the ardennes. The discussion about who the worlds course is most suited for is gonna be interesting... At first glance I thought it looked more like a hilly classics ride rather than a mountainous one, but its a borderline case tho.

Cancellaras turn on the cobbles

Cav still dictating the major flat sprints

the GTs... Considering clinic issues could tilt the tables before winter is passed,, its too hard to predict.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

phil has no chance against sagan next year

 

[Netserk]

If Gilbert had been in his Vuelta form in March, he would have lost to Sagan @ the Chieti stage. No doubt IMO.

But I am very curious to see where Sagan will have his main focus; M-SR, RVV or Ardennes.

 

[El Pistolero]

If Gilbert had been in his Vuelta form in March, he would have lost to Sagan @ the Chieti stage. No doubt IMO.

But I am very curious to see where Sagan will have his main focus; M-SR, RVV or Ardennes.

Who cares about a stage in the Tirreno-Adriatico?

His focus will be MSR, RVV and AGR. His biggest goal will be the RVV as he said himself. I wouldn't worry so much about Phil vs Sagan, but more Sagan vs Boonen vs Cancellara if I were you. Sagan will definitely be a big favorite for both Milan-San Remo and the Ronde van Vlaanderen. A bigger favorite in those races than Phil. And I think Degenkolb can step up as well in the cobbled classics next year. I think Boonen will no longer be the fastest man in these classics as he grows older.

Anyway, numbers don't lie. Phil would've won the AGR this year with a large gap in his Vuelta form.

Phil's main goal will remain the Ardennes classics.

Most people here said Sagan was going to be unbeatable for the WC as well, but we never even saw him.

 

[Netserk]

Who cares about a stage in the Tirreno-Adriatico?

Perhaps because it shows the immense talent of Sagan on uphill finishes

 

[El Pistolero]

Perhaps because it shows the immense talent of Sagan on uphill finishes

And yet you ignore the times on the Cauberg and the Mur de Huy, but proudly declare Sagan is unbeatable.

And didn't Sagan get dropped on the Oude Kwaremont by Boonen and Pozzato?

 

[rainman]

I've gone with Sagan, he should be great to watch in the classics. Not included in the list but will be making their mark include TJVG, Moser, Quintana and Degenkolb.
A clear favorite for GT's less clear. Yes Alberto but C'mon Nibali, Allez! If he can time his attacks better who knows.

 

[Netserk]

And yet you ignore the times on the Cauberg and the Mur de Huy, but proudly declare Sagan is unbeatable.

And didn't Sagan get dropped on the Oude Kwaremont by Boonen and Pozzato?

I think this post says a whole lot more about you than anything else...

 

[El Pistolero]

I think this post says a whole lot more about you than anything else...

I'm not making silly claims like you about how Sagan was supposedly unbeatable for Phil uphill.

The only way to make real comparisons is by looking at their times on uphill finishes of classics. Any other comparison where you declare Sagan the winner "without doubt" isn't really scientific is it.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

And yet you ignore the times on the Cauberg and the Mur de Huy, but proudly declare Sagan is unbeatable.

And didn't Sagan get dropped on the Oude Kwaremont by Boonen and Pozzato?

 

[Netserk]

I'm not making silly claims like you about how Sagan was supposedly unbeatable uphill.

I sure did

 

[The Hitch]

Anyway, numbers don't lie. Phil would've won the AGR this year with a large gap in his Vuelta form.

Was Gilbert not there in the Amstel Gold race? Was he injuured? Was he preparing for the Giro? Was he eliminated by some puncture?

You are acting as if he had a gap year and is just coming back to cycling.Fact is he was there, and was up there, but got beaten.

Don't believe me? No im serious, he was actually there.

Look!

"Wah!!!" you say, "Phil on 2011 form would have won"., so ****ing what. Indurain on 1993 form would have won the Tour last year too. Lets give that to him.

Why bother holding any race, if afterwards you are just going to declare Gilbert the actual winner because he would have won on some imaginary form which he didn't actually have.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Was Gilbert not there in the Amstel Gold race? Was he injuured? Was he preparing for the Giro? Was he eliminated by some puncture?

You are acting as if he had a gap year and is just coming back to cycling.Fact is he was there, and was up there, but got beaten.

"Wah!!!" you say, "Phil on 2011 form would have won"., so flipping what. Indurain on 1993 form would have won the Tour last year too. Lets give that to him.

Why bother holding any race, if afterwards you are just going to declare Gilbert the actual winner because he would have won on some imaginary form which he didn't actually have.

welcome to the world of pisti, where even if a belgian lies down a pile of **** pisti will come up and defend it's smell against piles of **** that are non belgian

 

[Afrank]

Most people here said Sagan was going to be unbeatable for the WC as well, but we never even saw him.

Who said that? Sagan was out of shape for worlds, even his coach said so, he was never going to contend for the win there.

 

[El Pistolero]

Was Gilbert not there in the Amstel Gold race? Was he injuured? Was he preparing for the Giro? Was he eliminated by some puncture?



Why bother holding any race, if afterwards you are just going to declare Gilbert the actual winner because he would have won on some imaginary form which he didn't actually have.

If Gilbert had been in his Vuelta form in March, he would have lost to Sagan @ the Chieti stage. No doubt IMO.

But I am very curious to see where Sagan will have his main focus; M-SR, RVV or Ardennes.

My post was clearly made in retaliation to this post.

If he can compare the form of riders in different times, so can I without you being a hypocrite d-bag about it.
Speculation is allowed here isn't it?

Did I declare Phil the actual winner? Of course I didn't. It's not much different than you wondering what would've happened if Samuel Sanchez didn't lose so much time on the first stage of the Tour last year. Or one of your many tirades about TTTs in a race.

 

[The Hitch]

My post was clearly made in retaliation to this post.

If he can compare the form of riders in different times, so can I without you being a hypocrite d-bag about it.
Speculation is allowed here isn't it?

Did I declare Phil the actual winner? Of course I didn't. It's not much different than you wondering what would've happened if Samuel Sanchez didn't lose so much time on the first stage of the Tour last year. Or one of your many tirades about TTTs in a race.

No a ttt is a misfortune to a rider who has already worked to get to a certian level. Same as a puncture - you Boonen pr 2011, or maybe even a crash - you Trentin MSR 2012.

Being crap is not the same sort of excuse. Thats just a rider failing to reach their level. By your logic, i can claim i would have won all 3 gts last year, just had the misfortune of not being bothered.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I could have won 8 Tour de France's with proper training and a proper program from US Postal

 

[El Pistolero]

No a ttt is a misfortune to a rider who has already worked to get to a certian level. Same as a puncture - you Boonen pr 2011, or maybe even a crash - you Trentin MSR 2012.

Being crap is not the same sort of excuse. Thats just a rider failing to reach their level. By your logic, i can claim i would have won all 3 gts last year, just had the misfortune of not being bothered.

Lol? Crashes and punctures are normal at Paris-Roubaix. It's always a bummer to see your favorite rider puncture at Roubaix, but it's part of the game. If you're in good shape you keep a better eye out on the road - less chance to puncture.

Gilbert was crap because of a tooth infection before the Tirreno-Adriatico.

TTT is part of the game as well, it's Samu's choice to stay at a team like Euskaltel.

Besides, I didn't use it as an excuse. But if both Sagan and Phil were on their best shape of the season competing in the same race, I wouldn't declare Sagan the winner "without doubt" like some other people here.

I merely used AGR as an example because we can compare the times of the Cauberg of each rider. Sagan was in good shape during the AGR and Phil was in good shape during the WC. Both races had the Cauberg in it. It's a good comparison between Phil and Sagan. No need to get all angry about that lol. Or am I not allowed to compare those two riders?

It's a pretty fair and innocent comparison if you ask me.

 

[Parrulo]

contador's Algarve,T-A, Catalunya, Pais Vasco, Tour, Vuelta wins will be hard to beat

 

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[ILovecycling]

There is no Vino choice,so my option is Alberto with Tour,Vasco,Tirreno and Dauphine win.Close 2nd is Piti with LBL,Nice,Cataluna wins and Tour or Vuelta podium.3rd is Sagan with Ronde,MSR,Green j

 

[Afrank]

There is no Vino choice,so my option is Alberto with Tour,Vasco,Tirreno and Dauphine win.Close 2nd is Piti with LBL,Nice,Cataluna wins and Tour or Vuelta podium.3rd is Sagan with Ronde,MSR,Green j

Vino will live and win through Nibbles now .

 

[ILovecycling]

Vino will live and win through Nibbles now .

yeah...i hope he will have good season especially with Giro win and I hope for a Classics win!