Prime Lance vs. Contador ... Who Wins

[rhubroma]

you must have been ullrich's fan so that you should have seen armstrong and his strenght. i am\was an ultramega big ullrich fan and i can swear you this...actually i hate to say this but armstrong on hautacam in 2000, alp d'huez in 2001, plateau beille in 2004 and courchevell in 2005 was frightfull at least. you'll never ever see contador making 2-3 minutes on every other rider like LA on hautacam for example. contador is a joke...he's yellowing his green astana pants to put ( together with shlecks) 1 minute on armstrong ( 38) on petit st bernard, and armstrong was puting 4 minutes on ullrich on hautacam. they both like niddles but they are in different leagues....o well...they were.

But Ullrich couldn't climb! At least not like the true climbers. He was constantly getting droped except for a rare few occasions. Had their been a Contador then, or a Pantani in his prime, Lance would at times perhaps been fighting to stay on their wheels. Though he certainly would have been less dominant, if not beaten on a few occasions against one such as today's Contador.

Everything is relative to the compitition one is up against. During the LA hegmony, there simply wasn't the talent we have today, which made him look so great.

 

[craig1985]

I think we can all agree that neither Lance nor Alberto would amount to much more than local parking lot crit racers but for the genius that is Johan Bruyneel.

Finally that solves everything.

 

[Bike Boy]

I say since both riders have won one set each, why don't we let this year be the third and decisive one?

Oh this could be a tie! Although for the time Contador is leading 2 - 1 but we have to await the outcome of the doping investigation.

 

[ad9898]

Armstrong of 2000-2001 would have Contador beaten relatively easily, he could put minutes into his rivals, including Pantani, who is still lorded as probably the best pure climber, despite the dope issues.

Hautacam in 2000 stands out particularly, he dropped Pantani and Ullrich quite easily then rode across 2 mins to the best climbers in that tour (Virenque, Escartin, Jiminez), then dropped them by a minute plus.

Probably the most impressive climb in modern TdF history and IMO much better than Alpe in 2001. Contador has done nothing remotely comparable, although he's by far the most gifted rider around today.

 

[ChrisE]

I agree. Hautacam in 2000 is the most impressive of all his climbs, and I have not seen AC do anything similar.

 

[imcdn69]

A 38yr old Lance would DEMOLISH a 38yr old Alberto in the TdF.

A 2nd year pro Lance riding with the Curse of the Rainbow Jersey
would STILL be FASTER in the TdF than Alberto with the same.

And yes, Lance in his prime would DESTROY prime Alberto. Its TRUE.

So far, Lance and Alberto have faced off in the tour TWICE.

Lance beat Alberto by 63mins
Alberto beat Lance by 5mins

2010 will be the Tie-Breaker.
Lance is still 58mins ahead.

Don't you see something terribly wrong with a 38yo even being able to still compete at that level? Just not possible.

 

[Anonymous]

A 38yr old Lance would DEMOLISH a 38yr old Alberto in the TdF.

A 2nd year pro Lance riding with the Curse of the Rainbow Jersey
would STILL be FASTER in the TdF than Alberto with the same.

And yes, Lance in his prime would DESTROY prime Alberto. Its TRUE.

So far, Lance and Alberto have faced off in the tour TWICE.

Lance beat Alberto by 63mins
Alberto beat Lance by 5mins

2010 will be the Tie-Breaker.
Lance is still 58mins ahead.

Focus on what you just said ... don't you think there is something terribly wrong with a 38yo being able to compete at that level of competition in the first place? Physiologically impossible ... without a lot of help. Hmm ... now I wonder what form that help comes in exactly?

 

[flicker]

Focus on what you just said ... don't you think there is something terribly wrong with a 38yo being able to compete at that level of competition in the first place? Physiologically impossible ... without a lot of help. Hmm ... now I wonder what form that help comes in exactly?

Surely you jest. Knowing how to win suffer use psycology is always in a 38 year old Lance. We are talking Lance here the top tier rider of the 21st century. I know those here who say he is nothing but an average rider. I watched Gilbert in the last 20km of the lombardy race today. No match for Lance in his prime. Watch Gilberts pedalling style, a lot like Lances when Lance was in his early 30s.

Contador is a scary fine rider it would have been interesting to see Lance against Contador. I have a feeling Contador hasn't reached his prime yet.

 

[pedaling squares]

How can anybody who's spent more than 10 minutes in The Clinic compare climbs from 1999-2001 with today's climbs?

 

[ChrisE]

How can anybody who's spent more than 10 minutes in The Clinic compare climbs from 1999-2001 with today's climbs?

What's your point? Seriously, because I don't follow. Thanks.

 

[flicker]

How can anybody who's spent more than 10 minutes in The Clinic compare climbs from 1999-2001 with today's climbs?

He is pretty much saying that Lance's clean cycling during that period crushed all the Ped abusers in France.

 

[Altitude]

It's impossible to compare the two because Lance in his prime was on such a huge amount of drugs--so much more than riders can take today, what with the bio-passport and all. Today riders have to micro-dose and work around the testers. In Lance's prime, you could take all the drugs you wanted, whenever you wanted. Ah, those were the days... If you put Contador on the program Lance was on in his prime, it would be like watching a bicycle duct-taped to the space shuttle go up the alps. You have to factor all that in when figuring out which one is the most talented.

That applies more to the early-mid 90's. By the time Lance was dominating they had already gone back to good old fashioned blood doping.

 

[Wallace]

It's impossible to compare the two because Lance in his prime was on such a huge amount of drugs--so much more than riders can take today, what with the bio-passport and all. Today riders have to micro-dose and work around the testers. In Lance's prime, you could take all the drugs you wanted, whenever you wanted. Ah, those were the days... If you put Contador on the program Lance was on in his prime, it would be like watching a bicycle duct-taped to the space shuttle go up the alps. You have to factor all that in when figuring out which one is the most talented.[/QUOTE]

That applies more to the early-mid 90's. By the time Lance was dominating they had already gone back to good old fashioned blood doping.

Oh yeah, Hamilton's Fuentes fax proves that riders in 2000's were on a really limited amount of substances. I'd be willing to bet that if you took what Tyler was on and doubled it, you'd have LA's Ferrari program.

 

[Altitude]

But Ullrich couldn't climb! At least not like the true climbers. He was constantly getting droped except for a rare few occasions. Had their been a Contador then, or a Pantani in his prime, Lance would at times perhaps been fighting to stay on their wheels. Though he certainly would have been less dominant, if not beaten on a few occasions against one such as today's Contador.

Everything is relative to the compitition one is up against. During the LA hegmony, there simply wasn't the talent we have today, which made him look so great.

Yeah, 38' 23" up Alpe D'huez is pretty shltty..

 

[flicker]

Yeah, 38' 23" up Alpe D'huez is pretty shltty..

The riders now are slower because they do not train as long and hard as Armstrong Pantani Tyler Hamilton Chicken Vino etc. in the days of old. That is why guys like Armstrong and Mayo could do their magic durinf the Giro and tour.!

 

[Altitude]

Oh yeah, Hamilton's Fuentes fax proves that riders in 2000's were on a really limited amount of substances. I'd be willing to bet that if you took what Tyler was on and doubled it, you'd have LA's Ferrari program.

Still, your original post is false. Guys weren't walking around with 60% crit's like they were in the mid 90's. You could not take "all the drugs you wanted, whenever you wanted".

 

[Polish]

How can anybody who's spent more than 10 minutes in The Clinic compare climbs from 1999-2001 with today's climbs?

+1. No Comparision. Lance is awesomerrrrr.

A prime Fausto was a better GT rider than Lance....
A prime Eddy was a better GT rider than Lance....

But a prime Alberto? NOT even close.

Alberto, gifted the 07 TdF win.
Alberto, attacked his mates in 09/10...
Alberto, attacks during mechanicals in 10 and then tears&hugs follow.

Comparing Alberto to Lance is an impossible stretch...like trying to get one's head up one's ****.

Focus on what you just said ... don't you think there is something terribly wrong with a 38yo being able to compete at that level of competition in the first place? Physiologically impossible ... without a lot of help. Hmm ... now I wonder what form that help comes in exactly?

Bordry TARGETED Lance during the 2010 TdF no doubt. But so far:

No plastics found in Lance's blood....
No Clen Cooties found in Lance's hair or pee....

No wonder Inspector Bordry "quit".

 

[flicker]

+1. No Comparision. Lance is awesomerrrrr.

A prime Fausto was a better GT rider than Lance....
A prime Eddy was a better GT rider than Lance....

But a prime Alberto? NOT even close.

Alberto, gifted the 07 TdF win.
Alberto, attacked his mates in 09/10...
Alberto, attacks during mechanicals in 10 and then tears&hugs follow.

Comparing Alberto to Lance is an impossible stretch...like trying to get one's head up one's ****.

Which really proves that Alberto was extremely desperate to stop Lance from achieving the magnificant 8 in 2010. Alberto had to resort to cheating to beat Lance Again ,lightening has struck twice with Alberto.


Bordry TARGETED Lance during the 2010 TdF no doubt. But so far:

No plastics found in Lance's blood....
No Clen Cooties found in Lance's hair or pee....

No wonder Inspector Bordry "quit".

Alberto needed to cheat in 2010 to beat Lance in 2010. I speculate that his entire Astana team were charged.

 

[Altitude]

Anyways to answer the question: Lance of course beats Contador

Lance vs. Indurain is a better one

 

[Anonymous]

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Bordry TARGETED Lance during the 2010 TdF no doubt. But so far:

No plastics found in Lance's blood....
No Clen Cooties found in Lance's hair or pee....

No wonder Inspector Bordry "quit".

And Marion Jones was America's sweetheart up until BALCO.

 

[Polish]

And Marion Jones was America's sweetheart up until BALCO.

Yes, Alberto is more of a Sweetheart than Lance.
I will give you that one.

BTW, do they test for estrogen at the TdF?
Wouldn't need the Cologne Lab's accuracy to detect that steroid level lol.

 

[ad9898]

Anyways to answer the question: Lance of course beats Contador

Lance vs. Indurain is a better one

Agree, the second most impressive climb behind Hautacam IMO is La Plagne in '95, when Indurain didn't attack, he just upped the pace and rode everyone off his wheel going after Zulle.

Drugs or no drugs, that's really impressive for an 80kg rider.

 

[buckwheat]

Anyways to answer the question: Lance of course beats Contador

Lance vs. Indurain is a better one

And in an honest race, LeMond destroys Indurain. Armstrong is a half hour back.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Prime Lance vs. Contador ... Who Wins

My guess would be Glaxo-Smith-Kline. Or maybe Astra Zeneca.

 

[Race Radio]

Still, your original post is false. Guys weren't walking around with 60% crit's like they were in the mid 90's. You could not take "all the drugs you wanted, whenever you wanted".

Very few riders hit 60 and with Plasma expanders, drips, and advanced notice of testing it is easy to make 55 look like 49.5