Politicians are well educated?Echoes said:Also even if I'm not really in favour of totally free market, we should say that it could more or less work if the consumers were better educated.
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Politicians are well educated?Echoes said:Also even if I'm not really in favour of totally free market, we should say that it could more or less work if the consumers were better educated.
AQETUYIOI said:We live in a mixed economy, not a free market!Ruby United said:The sacrosanct magical invisible hand of the free market. Which obviously exists. That's why teachers are paid ten times less than an average CEO. Because the market is always right. The free market is god. God is the free market. #edgyancap
Teachers are usually employed by the state.
Politicians/central planners promise 'freedom and rights'.Brullnux said:No. Freedom and rights are the free market.
That is sacrosanct.
Echoes said:It's not sacrosanct. I neither believe in freedom nor in rights. We have rights if we have duties.
When you give people 'freedom and rights'(paid for/produced by other people), you get 'an authoritarian dictatorship or tyranny and take power from people'.Ruby United said:No.Echoes said:It's not sacrosanct. I neither believe in freedom nor in rights. We have rights if we have duties.
Every single person has the right to live his or her life however they want as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others.
The second you say "I neither believe in freedom nor in rights" you distance yourself from any Western culture or liberal Western democracy. You also allow for the rise of an authoritarian dictatorship or tyranny and take power from people.
One has to produce/provide etc(duty), before one can have/receive/consume etc(have rights to).Ruby United said:There is a reason why the most powerful alliance in the world's history is that of the Western countries.
Perhaps duty does exist. But your rights depend on nothing. By inventing clauses which have to be fulfilled in order to have freedom, rights and civil liberties, arbitrarily imposed laws can strip you of anything.
AQETUYIOI said:When you give people 'freedom and rights'(paid for/produced by other people), you get 'an authoritarian dictatorship or tyranny and take power from people'.Ruby United said:No.Echoes said:It's not sacrosanct. I neither believe in freedom nor in rights. We have rights if we have duties.
Every single person has the right to live his or her life however they want as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others.
The second you say "I neither believe in freedom nor in rights" you distance yourself from any Western culture or liberal Western democracy. You also allow for the rise of an authoritarian dictatorship or tyranny and take power from people.
One has to produce/provide etc(duty), before one can have/receive/consume etc(have rights to).Ruby United said:There is a reason why the most powerful alliance in the world's history is that of the Western countries.
Perhaps duty does exist. But your rights depend on nothing. By inventing clauses which have to be fulfilled in order to have freedom, rights and civil liberties, arbitrarily imposed laws can strip you of anything.
Not picking on your comment specifically among the many echoing these sentiments, but just that it was the most recent.Jspear said:Scarponi said:I'll open a can of worms here but it shouldn't be equal. One gets a higher viewership and one has a demanding course. Tennis and cycling shouldn't have the same for the women imoPremierAndrew said:At least there's equal prize money for the men and women, it's something
I agree (on cycling- can't speak to other sports...don't really watch them).
They shouldn't get paid as much because they don't bring as much to the table. Once they've reached the viewing numbers and are bringing their sponsors as much as the men, then salaries could be equaled.
SKSemtex said:I assume everybody read the article here in CN regarding the price money in Bergen.
If not here is the link http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/no-change-to-worlds-prize-money-in-bergen/
This is just ridiculous. Something is really wrong in cycling. I wonder what is the year pay check of Mr. Cookson but he must be a very bad and incompetent manager.
I know that all prize money in this sport is jokes but 7000 EUR for the win in probably hardest one-day sports performance watched by several hundred tousends on the place and millions on TV is the "nice" certificate of competency of UCI management.
Completely irrelevant. You talked of how the free market, despite always assuming an oligarchical structure, decides pay perfectly. The invisible hand. The free market is not just.Ruby United said:Brullnux said:The sacrosanct magical invisible hand of the free market. Which obviously exists. That's why teachers are paid ten times less than an average CEO. Because the market is always right. The free market is god. God is the free market. #edgyancapRuby United said:Echoes said:They are not underpaid, they are overpaid, definitely. As much as I dislike Mr Cookson, CHF340,000/year is a lot less than the best paid rider (needless to remind you of who that is and of who made that possible).
Cycling might be hard but it's way less hard than working on an assembly line in a factory or as a bricklayer on a building site. Beside it's less hard than triathlon while triathletes are lesser paid.
As Marc Madiot said in the new version of his book "Parlons vélo" (Talent sport, 2017):
We are not a sport for the rich. If you want to be a billionair, you should not cycle. You should do Formula 1, tennis or football. If you do "cycling", it is only misery. It is a bit of a masochist thing but it is our DNA. When you are in such a world, real personalities are emerging: Bernard Hinault, Jacques Anquetil, Raymond Poulidor, Eddy Merckx, Luis Ocaña. They stood out. Froome and such are all kind but if you put them on the Champs-Élysées, nobody would recognise them.
In terms of their salary, I don't think that they are underpaid or overpaid. They are paid just right. That is the nature of a free market.
No. Freedom and rights are the free market.
That is sacrosanct.
I know that cycling is "sponzor money sport",Monte said:SKSemtex said:I assume everybody read the article here in CN regarding the price money in Bergen.
If not here is the link http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/no-change-to-worlds-prize-money-in-bergen/
This is just ridiculous. Something is really wrong in cycling. I wonder what is the year pay check of Mr. Cookson but he must be a very bad and incompetent manager.
I know that all prize money in this sport is jokes but 7000 EUR for the win in probably hardest one-day sports performance watched by several hundred tousends on the place and millions on TV is the "nice" certificate of competency of UCI management.
In Cycling race money means nothing, everyone that knows cycling knows this . Its just food money. THey are still multi millionaires. Its like in Cross COuntry skiing, **** price money but millions in sponsor money.. Simple.
The topic: 'Prize money for Worlds 2017 in Bergen'Ruby United said:Unfortunately, you have misunderstood the terms 'duty' and 'rights' as they are understood in the context in which I mentioned them.AQETUYIOI said:When you give people 'freedom and rights'(paid for/produced by other people), you get 'an authoritarian dictatorship or tyranny and take power from people'.Ruby United said:No.Echoes said:It's not sacrosanct. I neither believe in freedom nor in rights. We have rights if we have duties.
Every single person has the right to live his or her life however they want as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others.
The second you say "I neither believe in freedom nor in rights" you distance yourself from any Western culture or liberal Western democracy. You also allow for the rise of an authoritarian dictatorship or tyranny and take power from people.
One has to produce/provide etc(duty), before one can have/receive/consume etc(have rights to).Ruby United said:There is a reason why the most powerful alliance in the world's history is that of the Western countries.
Perhaps duty does exist. But your rights depend on nothing. By inventing clauses which have to be fulfilled in order to have freedom, rights and civil liberties, arbitrarily imposed laws can strip you of anything.
By 'rights' I was clearly discussing, as I wrote, the right to act as you want without infringing on others' right.
I obviously did not mean the right to receive without producing.
Ruby United said:So would I. And I would also be OK with men getting a bigger prize than women if they generated more interest than the women's race. I'm just not sure others on this forum would be.
Ruby United said:In terms of their salary, I don't think that they are underpaid or overpaid. They are paid just right. That is the nature of a free market.
So I assume a market/money/income/buying power/salary etc is the context?Ruby United said:No. Freedom and rights are the free market.
That is sacrosanct.
...in a market, to mean the right to receive without producing. I.e. 'rights' in 'Western culture or liberal Western democracy' are built upon regulations/redistribution/central planning etc, and not a free market.Ruby United said:By 'rights' I was clearly discussing, as I wrote, the right to act as you want without infringing on others' right
We live in a mixed economy, i.e. pay is not decided by the free market/the invisible hand.Brullnux said:Completely irrelevant. You talked of how the free market, despite always assuming an oligarchical structure, decides pay perfectly. The invisible hand. The free market is not just.Ruby United said:No. Freedom and rights are the free market.
That is sacrosanct.
i think money are really important also for cyclist the salary of sagan is 6 milion so , cyclist ride for moneyDurden93 said:The riders don't ride worlds for the money. Nor do they ride in general for it. Cycling is not a big money sport. You could put all of Cookson's salary into the prize pool and the winners would still make very little.
telencefalus said:i think money are really important also for cyclist the salary of sagan is 6 milion so , cyclist ride for moneyDurden93 said:The riders don't ride worlds for the money. Nor do they ride in general for it. Cycling is not a big money sport. You could put all of Cookson's salary into the prize pool and the winners would still make very little.