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I call it a fitness indicator because thats what its called in the little guidebook that comes with the game.

In the same guide book it says that if the fitness indicator is +5 the rider will be much stronger then usual so I assumed that -5 therefore means much weaker.
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
No, it isn't a 'fitness indicator'

It's form of the day. If your rider has 95pts form it still doesn't matter if his form of the day is -5. He will still be super strong

It's just like in real life and I really like it. AI has bad days too this way. However, Contador in the Tour on a +5 day isn't pretty :cool:
Definately NOT a bug. Cavendish can win on -5 days, Gilbert as well. No idea where you get the idea that maybe they can't

ya i also love this feature.

you can really win a GT with a weaker contender by just getting good days on the right days. i always lol when my GC contender has a -5 day on a flat stage :p

ya hitch thats what it means but if you hit your peak right(i sometimes manage to reach the high mountains at 99 in a GT) that won't make you lose the race as you are in absolute top shape while other guys may not be. its also a good thing because you may have a +5 day on a medium mountain stage where you weren't going to attack but now you most likely will because you have to take advantage of the good day. and you may have a -5 day in the mountains and play defensive all day. it turns the game much more realistic imo
 
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The Hitch said:
I call it a fitness indicator because thats what its called in the little guidebook that comes with the game.

In the same guide book it says that if the fitness indicator is +5 the rider will be much stronger then usual so I assumed that -5 therefore means much weaker.

It's day-to-day form. Overall performance is predominately determined by a rider's atttributes (FL, MO, STA, REC etc.) and form (the "pts" score out of a hundred, based on training schedule and race day form earned from you guessed it, racing). day-to-day form has very little influence on the game compared with these first two scores. I.e. If Contador has very poor form (<65pts), not even his high attributes and a +5 day form score will see him win a mountain stage. Neither will having someone like Voigt in top form (99pts) and a +5 day score be enough to overcome his climbing stats to compete with the Schlecks in a mountain stage.

That said it does make a minor difference, for example if you have a sub-top climber he could potentially compete with the best with great form and a high day score. Alternitively even Alberto will struggle to beat the Schlecks if his day form is -5.

Hope this makes sense :p
 
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will10 said:
It's day-to-day form. Overall performance is predominately determined by a rider's atttributes (FL, MO, STA, REC etc.) and form (the "pts" score out of a hundred, based on training schedule and race day form earned from you guessed it, racing). day-to-day form has very little influence on the game compared with these first two scores. I.e. If Contador has very poor form (<65pts), not even his high attributes and a +5 day form score will see him win a mountain stage. Neither will having someone like Voigt in top form (99pts) and a +5 day score be enough to overcome his climbing stats to compete with the Schlecks in a mountain stage.

That said it does make a minor difference, for example if you have a sub-top climber he could potentially compete with the best with great form and a high day score. Alternitively even Alberto will struggle to beat the Schlecks if his day form is -5.

Hope this makes sense :p

Ok, thanks.
 
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Parrulo said:
ya i also love this feature.

you can really win a GT with a weaker contender by just getting good days on the right days. i always lol when my GC contender has a -5 day on a flat stage :p

ya hitch thats what it means but if you hit your peak right(i sometimes manage to reach the high mountains at 99 in a GT) that won't make you lose the race as you are in absolute top shape while other guys may not be. its also a good thing because you may have a +5 day on a medium mountain stage where you weren't going to attack but now you most likely will because you have to take advantage of the good day. and you may have a -5 day in the mountains and play defensive all day. it turns the game much more realistic imo

Ok but if there is 1 mtf in a stage race and you will lose time on the tt so what you need is maximum time on that mountain and your leader gets a -3, then your screwed.
 
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The Hitch said:
Ok but if there is 1 mtf in a stage race and you will lose time on the tt so what you need is maximum time on that mountain and your leader gets a -3, then your screwed.

same as in real life. people have bad days.
 
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found an application when i used to play the game that helped you plan your race calendar and training programs so that all your riders peaked for your race goals. it was an unbelievably helpful tool, and if you want to master the peak, you get that prog
 
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If you want to you can turn off 'form of the day'. I like the feature personally, although its frustrating when you have domestique look at Contador to realize he gets +5 and he just flies off on the Galibier... :(
 
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will10 said:
same as in real life. people have bad days.

Its rare that they have it for their main goals though.

A bad day is usually explained by a crash, or having gone too hard the previous day, or perhaps even some doping problems, but not random.

All the top riders we expected to perform gong into this season were 100% going into their main season goals.

All the bad days i can think of were after many attacks like Samu, Contador on 18, Rujano on 14, Anton on 15, riders tired from Giro in Tour and Vuelta, injuries like Basso and Boonen etc.
 
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bicing said:
found an application when i used to play the game that helped you plan your race calendar and training programs so that all your riders peaked for your race goals. it was an unbelievably helpful tool, and if you want to master the peak, you get that prog
Meh, that would feel like cheating to me. It's already ridiculously easy to peak for your targeted races as it is. It should be way more random, there should be a chance you won't hit your best form regardless of what your program is. It could depend on how good your trainer is or something.
 
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The Hitch said:
Its rare that they have it for their main goals though.

A bad day is usually explained by a crash, or having gone too hard the previous day, or perhaps even some doping problems, but not random.

All the top riders we expected to perform gong into this season were 100% going into their main season goals.

All the bad days i can think of were after many attacks like Samu, Contador on 18, Rujano on 14, Anton on 15, riders tired from Giro in Tour and Vuelta, injuries like Basso and Boonen etc.

I don't agree with that, regularly we see people target specific races and then not have the legs on the day. It happens.
 
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The Hitch said:
Its rare that they have it for their main goals though.

A bad day is usually explained by a crash, or having gone too hard the previous day, or perhaps even some doping problems, but not random.

All the top riders we expected to perform gong into this season were 100% going into their main season goals.

All the bad days i can think of were after many attacks like Samu, Contador on 18, Rujano on 14, Anton on 15, riders tired from Giro in Tour and Vuelta, injuries like Basso and Boonen etc.
The bad feelings are also connected to the weather. A rider who doesn't like the rain will have increased chance to have a bad daily form that day (Moncoutie for example). Also, it's not rare at all, and I think you overrate the impact of the daily form. Every single GT rider has bad days sometimes but a bad day doesn't make Contador into a horrible climber, just a slightly less dominant one. I think it's very realistic. A bad day can also be caused by getting too little sleep for example, so yes, I'd say it's quite random in reality as well.
 
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Well, my 2nd season trying to win all GT i knew it would be too hard, because I lost Gesink and had to do it with Pierre Rolland (who was bought as replacement).

Rolland did win the Giro, but in the Tour and Vuelta Contador was way too strong. in the Tour 5 others also were too strong for Rolland, there were 2 long time trials which kinda killed my top 3 chances...

I'll need a way better leader to win all GT, that much is clear. Next year we'll have to do with Rolland again tho! I still hope to get Gesink back in 2014...

Final results with Rolland in 2012:
Giro: 1st
Tour: 6th (Contador 1)
Vuelta: 2nd (Contador 1)
 
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The Hitch said:
I call it a fitness indicator because thats what its called in the little guidebook that comes with the game.

In the same guide book it says that if the fitness indicator is +5 the rider will be much stronger then usual so I assumed that -5 therefore means much weaker.
You should never take the manual seriously. 1st lesson in Cyanide logic :p
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Well, my 2nd season trying to win all GT i knew it would be too hard, because I lost Gesink and had to do it with Pierre Rolland (who was bought as replacement).

Rolland did win the Giro, but in the Tour and Vuelta Contador was way too strong. in the Tour 5 others also were too strong for Rolland, there were 2 long time trials which kinda killed my top 3 chances...

I'll need a way better leader to win all GT, that much is clear. Next year we'll have to do with Rolland again tho! I still hope to get Gesink back in 2014...

Final results with Rolland in 2012:
Giro: 1st
Tour: 6th (Contador 1)
Vuelta: 2nd (Contador 1)

You can do all 3 gts with 1 rider?
 
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With smart season planning, yeah.
If you are prepared to ride barely any other races (preferably 1 or none) before the GT's start and can live with building form in the 1st week for 2nd/3rd week.
Plus doing a Vuelta where you are always fatigued and can't reach max form anymore (maximum between 90-95 if you did well, if you raced too much or trained too hard you'll fall back to 85/80pts in form)

You'll need to be a good player as well. ;)

It's the hardest challenge in the game for me. Unless you have Contador/Schleck.
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
With smart season planning, yeah.
If you are prepared to ride barely any other races (preferably 1 or none) before the GT's start and can live with building form in the 1st week for 2nd/3rd week.
Plus doing a Vuelta where you are always fatigued and can't reach max form anymore (maximum between 90-95 if you did well, if you raced too much or trained too hard you'll fall back to 85/80pts in form)

You'll need to be a good player as well. ;)

It's the hardest challenge in the game for me. Unless you have Contador/Schleck.

I've never had Contador and the best I've done with Schleck is Giro 1st, Tour 2nd, and Vuelta 2nd ( I have done the Giro Vuelta double and Tour Vuelta double but that's the best I've done with all 3) in PCM 10 I did finish 2nd in all 3 Gts with TJ van Gardener in my 4th season. Intrestingly I also finished 2nd in Milan san-remo, RVV, and Giro d Lombardia with Sagan and also 4th in LBL. It was such a frustrating season.
 
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I've won all 3 GT's with Thomas Dekker in PCM 2006 (he was a beast in that game), and with a scouted talent in PCM 2009 (he had 85 MO and 83 TT). :p
 
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craig1985 said:
Has all the bugs from the previous versions where the game would crash at random times been fixed? For me I found that it happened in the PT races, I never downloaded the previous version because of this, but had the '09 version and just used the patches to update the game.

11' has been a lot kinder then 10' to me, but I still havent played much.

For the form thing, I basically just use it if I have riders with similar abilities and leadship is still in question, I'll go with the better form guy.

If my leader ahs a bad day it doesn't matter much.

As for the money thing hitch. That is a massive flaw in the game.

You can either download a db editor and fix the budget, which is a simple thing to do. Or you can make the money seetings really easy when you strt the game I think. But still in 11' edition the budgt is flawed.
 
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Midnightfright said:
I've never had Contador and the best I've done with Schleck is Giro 1st, Tour 2nd, and Vuelta 2nd ( I have done the Giro Vuelta double and Tour Vuelta double but that's the best I've done with all 3) in PCM 10 I did finish 2nd in all 3 Gts with TJ van Gardener in my 4th season. Intrestingly I also finished 2nd in Milan san-remo, RVV, and Giro d Lombardia with Sagan and also 4th in LBL. It was such a frustrating season.

Dekker_Tifosi said:
I've won all 3 GT's with Thomas Dekker in PCM 2006 (he was a beast in that game), and with a scouted talent in PCM 2009 (he had 85 MO and 83 TT). :p

nice.

I've had some good results.

When I started playing the game, I used doping (training lol) I took 1st and 2nd at the giro with LTD 2nd and Reus (massive breakaway for reus tho).

Since 08' or 09' I never used the doping system, it sucks so bad.
 
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Timmy-loves-Rabo said:
nice.

I've had some good results.

When I started playing the game, I used doping (training lol) I took 1st and 2nd at the giro with LTD 2nd and Reus (massive breakaway for reus tho).

Since 08' or 09' I never used the doping system, it sucks so bad.

Yeah I was the same when I started till u realized how much of a diffrence it makes. There's a lot more satisfaction finishing 6th on the Giro with a clean Christian Knees than winning the Tour by minutes with a Doped up Linus Gerdmann.
 
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Timmy-loves-Rabo said:
nice.

I've had some good results.

When I started playing the game, I used doping (training lol) I took 1st and 2nd at the giro with LTD 2nd and Reus (massive breakaway for reus tho).

Since 08' or 09' I never used the doping system, it sucks so bad.


Midnightfright said:
Yeah I was the same when I started till u realized how much of a diffrence it makes. There's a lot more satisfaction finishing 6th on the Giro with a clean Christian Knees than winning the Tour by minutes with a Doped up Linus Gerdmann.

What is this training?
 
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Training camps. The AI don't use them, so using them as the human player is the game's equivalent of doping.