Proof of government doping program in Russia

[Master50]

They run their economy like gangsters and there certainly has been many reports on how many illegal things that happen in Russia with regard to business transactions. If they can shoot down civilian airplanes and call it rebels? Putin screws around with their rules so easily and we wonder if the state might be involved with organized doping? No stretch of imagination necessary to believe this might be true?

 

[DirtyWorks]

Just a general comment, it's MUCH easier to do a critical story across borders. The chance the story draws legal troubles is very low.

We have some exceptions. The IOC might not like the story depending on how it is written.

National doping programs are alive. This was what JADCO was rumoured to be. Test in country to be sure international meets never test positive. Fuentes' last trial made it clear officials in Spain okayed banned substances for import and use for his customers.

USA cycling has a long history of protecting dopers. The french cycling federation bent over backwards to get Bauge into London and so on...

 

[neineinei]

It seems pretty damning: http://www.presseportal.de/meldung/2896900/t

There will have to be some shaking about in various systems before everything settles back in to normal. Reedie will have to make a statement. And maybe WADA needs to send a delegation to Moscow and Nice to look sternley at some officials, RUSADA, IAAF and a WADA accredited lab joining the dark side isn't something to take lightly.

 

[screaming fist]

ARD live stream: http://www.daserste.de/live/index.html
I have no idea if there's a geo-block though.

 

[screaming fist]

Halfway into the broadcast. Some really crazy stuff, like the head of the Russian anti doping lab actually selling PEDs etc.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Damn.
Hadn't realised it was now.
Just caught the back end of 300,000 Euro payout
and the Olympic marathon fail.

 

[screaming fist]

I guess it will be available on the webiste after the broadcast.

 

[Mellow Velo]

I guess it will be available on the webiste after the broadcast.

I put it on tv.
Pound and Howman.

 

[the sceptic]

Halfway into the broadcast. Some really crazy stuff, like the head of the Russian anti doping lab actually selling PEDs etc.

seems like Benotti is right. Everyone dopes and without it you will get nowhere.

Unless of course Russia is worse than other countries but not sure why that should be the case.

 

[jens_attacks]

go mother russia and my dear soviets

fight the west!

 

[the sceptic]

 

[neineinei]

Glad to see Rusanova left Russia a few days ago, was starting to get seriously worried for her.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Paula Radcliffe @paulajradcliffe · 35m 35 minutes ago

The ARD doping documentary is making me sick to my stomach. Some of the allegations coming out of this are every sports worst nightmare

Paula Radcliffe @paulajradcliffe · 2h 2 hours ago

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...-paid-to-avoid-doping-ban-20141203-story.html … @olyphil story on Shobukhova wanting her hush money back.Fails to mention the $$$ she stole from London,Chicago,WMM

 

[Benotti69]

Interesting that top athletes positives are swapped with unknown athletes..wonder did similar happen with Astana.......

 

[jens_attacks]

lol radcliffe hilarious

 

[screaming fist]

WADA statement
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2014-12/wada-statement-on-german-television-documentary

WADA Statement on German Television Documentary

WADA has seen the German television documentary alleging systematic doping in Russia, and other breaches of the World Anti-Doping Code. WADA will ensure that all matters raised are fully investigated.

WADA has in fact already received some information and evidence of the type exposed in the documentary. All of that information has been passed to the appropriate independent body within the international federation, the IAAF. We will await the outcome of that independent body’s deliberations.

Insofar as the particular allegations against Russian authorities and others are concerned, these will all be carefully scrutinized and if action is warranted, WADA will take any necessary and appropriate steps under the Code.

 

[Race Radio]

lol radcliffe hilarious

Hopefully Conconi client Seb Coe chimes in next.

 

[screaming fist]

Available here for those who understand German. Some interviews in English and Russian audible behind Germand dub.

http://mediathek.daserste.de/Sports...cumentId=25114280&topRessort=tv&bcastId=53524

 

[Race Radio]

Available here for those who understand German. Some interviews in English and Russian audible behind Germand dub.

http://mediathek.daserste.de/Sports...cumentId=25114280&topRessort=tv&bcastId=53524

I understand there may have been some mention of cycling as well. Did you see any?

 

[Red Rick]

Just read it on nu.nl, it's pretty much insane, whilst at the same time not really unexpected

 

[screaming fist]

I understand there may have been some mention of cycling as well. Did you see any?

In one interview there was a short mention that athletes from all sports are doped/involved. Track & field, biathlon, cx skiing, swimming, cycling as example IIRC. There weren't any names or incidents from cycling reported on. I'll have to watch it again, if I don't remember something right now I'll tell you then.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Hopefully Conconi client Seb Coe chimes in next.

You mean the guy running for IAAF president Seb Coe?

http://www.3wiresports.com/2014/11/26/coe-announces-iaaf-presidency/

 

[python]

I understand there may have been some mention of cycling as well. Did you see any?

cycling was mentioned in passing...along the following sports: swimming, biathlon, athletics, weghtlifting and cross-country ski racing. the way i understood the conversation and the context follows.

...a former official of the rusADA named stepanov claimed that rusADA concealed certain positives of russian athletes in the sports i mentioned above. he further stated that occasionally they (the rusADA) would get an inquiry from the anti-doping folks working for the ministry for sports. they wanted to know who tested positive. if the positive test belonged to a 'no-body', he/she would be allowed to be declared a public positive. if the flunked test belonged a famous or promising athlete, they would be covered up as a 'mistake'.

incidentally, at different times and on different matters, i happened to correspond with some of the mentioned/interviewed people. their english was ok. i'll keep the conversations private as i should, but i will say, the head of the russian antidoping lab at the time, had left an impression of being talkative beyond the wada code of ethics applicable at the time.

 

[MrKangaroo]

In one interview there was a short mention that athletes from all sports are doped/involved. Track & field, biathlon, cx skiing, swimming, cycling as example IIRC. There weren't any names or incidents from cycling reported on. I'll have to watch it again, if I don't remember something right now I'll tell you then.

It was when Stepanov talked about officials trying to make sure that top athletes in certain sports won't be tested. When asked which sports he named cycling amongst others. It's at 23:26

 

[DirtyWorks]

In one interview there was a short mention that athletes from all sports are doped/involved. Track & field, biathlon, cx skiing, swimming, cycling as example IIRC. There weren't any names or incidents from cycling reported on. I'll have to watch it again, if I don't remember something right now I'll tell you then.

Then Makarov is doing something wrong.

I love how the IAAF does 'never tested positive' by sending the values to the national federation. This is probably what was going on in Jamaica when the JADCO member did the right thing and discussed the absence of testing.