Proteins

[Archibald]

Have been doing some interesting reading on proteins lately, which prompts the following questions:

What protein [supplements or otherwise] do you use:

1. after your ride?

2. for general daily use?

Specifically, whether you use whey, isolates, egg, caseinates, soy, wheat (gluten) or other...

 

[David Suro]

I use a powder that contains a combination of whey and egg proteins.

I like it because it is cheap, I can get it at the local grocery store, and it does not contain any artificial flavor, color, or sweetener.

It tastes like milk when mixed with water.

 

[Tapeworm]

Protein and supplementation thereof is generally overstated. If you have a vaguely decent diet you will have more than enough protein for the rigors of endurance riding. The body requires about 100grams of protein to BUILD 500grams of muscle ie: there is far more to muscle repair than just protein.

There are plenty of studies which have shown ingestion of protein post riding can aid recovery. There has been a couple of studies which show that choc milk will be the equal to any high tech protein powder.

So in short save the $$$ and just get your protein from "normal" sources.

 

[brianf7]

Protein and supplementation thereof is generally overstated. If you have a vaguely decent diet you will have more than enough protein for the rigors of endurance riding. The body requires about 100grams of protein to BUILD 500grams of muscle ie: there is far more to muscle repair than just protein.

Just a marketing hype all you need is a glass of milk after a hard ride or race that is enough if you need that.
Preferably within 1/2 hour of finishing.

Too much protine will cause all sorts of problems such as keto acidosis kidney problems etc you are just pouring $$$ down the drain as with a lot of suppliments

 

[xFrankyBx]

A lot of cyclists won't take pretiens because they obviously build muscle and add weight to your body. But I am not tryin to win any races lol. Post ride you want something that is a mixture of whey and casien and add in Gludamine. The Gludamine will help your muscles recover. And the casien protein is a slower release so it will keep repairing your muscles after your ride. The whey is a faster acting protein so it will get absorbed right away.
I use HydroWhey for daily use. And PureCasien right before bed.
Usually ill use some of my preworkout before a ride to get my body ready

 

[xFrankyBx]

Protein and supplementation thereof is generally overstated. If you have a vaguely decent diet you will have more than enough protein for the rigors of endurance riding. The body requires about 100grams of protein to BUILD 500grams of muscle ie: there is far more to muscle repair than just protein.

There are plenty of studies which have shown ingestion of protein post riding can aid recovery. There has been a couple of studies which show that choc milk will be the equal to any high tech protein powder.

So in short save the $$$ and just get your protein from "normal" sources.

Kinda true and kinda not. Milk itself is its own protein so that's why it would have the same-ish effect. A protein suppliment is a more "pure" form of the protein. And its also proven that if you take a protien shake/drink/bar during any excersize it will speed up metabolism and help your recovery greatly.

 

[53 x 11]

I just hit up a tub of this.

Never really bothered with protein supplements. I just make sure I have a balanced diet, well rounded diet.

 

[Archibald]

Protein and supplementation thereof is generally overstated. If you have a vaguely decent diet you will have more than enough protein for the rigors of endurance riding. The body requires about 100grams of protein to BUILD 500grams of muscle ie: there is far more to muscle repair than just protein.

There are plenty of studies which have shown ingestion of protein post riding can aid recovery. There has been a couple of studies which show that choc milk will be the equal to any high tech protein powder.

So in short save the $$$ and just get your protein from "normal" sources.

so what do you use?

 

[Tapeworm]

Well being a life long vegetarian no meat sources for me. Diary, eggs, soy, legumes, wheat etc.

When done at the gym I see people chugging on Beta Mega Ultra Whey (or whatever it is called), I chug about a litre of milk (sometimes flavoured). It's been working well so far.

There is a place for protein supplements. In circumstances where normal diet cannot be controlled, traveling for example. As mentioned the amount of protein needed to be ingested is often overstated (quite often by protein powder companies). WHEN you ingest protein can have more effect than how much.

 

[Elegant Degenerate]

Protein and supplementation thereof is generally overstated. If you have a vaguely decent diet you will have more than enough protein for the rigors of endurance riding. The body requires about 100grams of protein to BUILD 500grams of muscle ie: there is far more to muscle repair than just protein.

There are plenty of studies which have shown ingestion of protein post riding can aid recovery. There has been a couple of studies which show that choc milk will be the equal to any high tech protein powder.

So in short save the $$$ and just get your protein from "normal" sources.

I absolutely agree. I always scoff at guys (usually either anaemic of overweight) walking around gyms with protein shakes and bars.

It's particularly true for cyclists where weight gain is counter productive in most cases. (I suspect most amateurs would benefit by losing weight).

AND because cyclists invariably have a higher calorie intake, more protein will be consumed purely just by eating more.

 

[xFrankyBx]

for most people a "well balanced diet" consists of missing breakfast eatting a fast food place at lunch and eating a large diner. but at the same time most cyclist want to drop weight and keep muscle mass. Therefore you need to taking a protein supplement. I am more than positive that hardly any of use are taking in 6 small meals a day. The protein helps to feed your body and keep your muscles from atrophying.
Ive used proteins for a long time and I can say they they do wonders for recovery and just personal wellness.

to the OP if your interested in buying any proteins i would advise to either go to a local supplement shop IE Nutrishoppe, Vitaminworld, or any type like that GNC is ridiculously overpriced. Or you can go to http://www.bodybuilding.com.

This is the main protien that people are using now
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/platinum_hydrowhey.html

these are also really good products
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/muscombo.htm

i also use the second endurance stack

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/sptcombo.htm

just worth looking into.

 

[Tapeworm]

for most people a "well balanced diet" consists of missing breakfast eatting a fast food place at lunch and eating a large diner. but at the same time most cyclist want to drop weight and keep muscle mass. Therefore you need to taking a protein supplement.

I can't think of anyone who would classify your example as a well balanced diet. If nothing else most people would know that you need breakfast... even if they don't actually have it. I don't see how a protein supplement somehow replaces a healthy diet. "Oh you eat like ****, here have a protein shake to make it all better??"

I am more than positive that hardly any of use are taking in 6 small meals a day. The protein helps to feed your body and keep your muscles from atrophying.

Protein is essential to the body. Though is there any evidence that the protein has to be taken in 6 meals? How about 5? 10? 2?

Ive used proteins for a long time and I can say they they do wonders for recovery and just personal wellness.
....

Yes proteins are very good for the body. Essential. Though any proof the that proteins from supplements are somehow better than those from meat, fish, legumes etc?

 

[Archibald]

to the OP if your interested in buying any proteins i would advise to either go to a local supplement shop IE Nutrishoppe, Vitaminworld, or any type like that GNC is ridiculously overpriced. Or you can go to http://www.bodybuilding.com.

I'm not interested in buying any at the moment, I'm just looking to find out what types of proteins people are using, and what sources people are using for their protein intake - hence the "supplement or other" qualifier...

I'm hoping the discussions will reveal whether people are using animal based proteins or plant based proteins, and possibly their reactions/recommendations to each/both...

 

[lostintime]

I think the whole man made protein supplement thing is f'd up. There is more to eating than pure science. There are social, psychological as well as spiritual aspects to eating, all of which get overlooked by the mechanistic way of feeding oneself.

If you want to be a machine, then eat like one. . . this is the supplement mantra.

How easy we forget we are human beings, and not machines.

 

[Archibald]

I think the whole man made protein supplement thing is f'd up. There is more to eating than pure science. There are social, psychological as well as spiritual aspects to eating, all of which get overlooked by the mechanistic way of feeding oneself.

If you want to be a machine, then eat like one. . . this is the supplement mantra.

How easy we forget we are human beings, and not machines.

err... thanks...

so what protein types do you feed yourself from?

 

[lostintime]

err... thanks...

so what protein types do you feed yourself from?

Real food ..... eggs, beans, grains, meats, nuts, seeds, fruits and vegetables.

 

[Hmmmmm]

I think the whole man made protein supplement thing is f'd up. There is more to eating than pure science. There are social, psychological as well as spiritual aspects to eating, all of which get overlooked by the mechanistic way of feeding oneself.

If you want to be a machine, then eat like one. . . this is the supplement mantra.

How easy we forget we are human beings, and not machines.

Agreed! after riding, I like to eat peanut butter, and when I have it on hand, I'll eat some good 'ol locally made beef jerky. Works for me. Been doing it for years.

 

[2beeDammed]

Soy protien isolate,i use it as a shake for lunch at work. Cheap, easy to prepare. Peanut butter (Sanitarium 100% peanut variety) eat it by the spoon full.

 

[Bulldog Racing]

Jelly Belly Sport Beans!!!!! They are magic!!!!!

 

[durianrider]

As a long time vegan and someone that is currently working as a personal trainer, I find it amusing when fellow peers say 'You wont get enough protein as a vegan.you need to eat flesh and milk Harley...' and they are chugg'n down protein bars, powders, pills, amino acid isolates, BCAA' stackers etc.

I can understand it is hard to see truth when the marketing hype of the mega industries is so false and misleading. Thankfully we have a bit of science to prove otherwise.

1. There is no medical word for protein deficiency. Even marasmus and kwashiorkor refer to caloric deficiency.

2. All plant foods contain all 8 essential amino acids. (Based on Dr Rose's work, he was the person that discovered the 8 essential human amino acids. )So even if you just ate 100% of your caloric needs from potatoes or bananas ,you would get enough protein.


3. Human mothers breast milk is the lowest protein content in terms of % of total calories than any other mammals milk. Human breast milk contains around 5-6% of its calories in the form of protein.

4. Our kidneys and liver are simply not designed to consume the amounts of protein that a standard western diet contains, hence we have escalating rates of osteoporosis, renal failure, heart disease, gout etc. (The china study covers this. WTF is the china study? Its the most comprehensive epidemiological study EVER done on human nutrtion.)

5. Anything over 10% of calories coming from protein results in marked health decline long term. (Another china study conclusion.) Under 10% of total calories being optimum.

6. Whey is an industrial by product of the dairy industry. Why spend money dumping it when you can sell it to laypersons that are ignorant to its health dangers and waste product status? Eggs are just the ovulations of birds. Human ovulation/menses has the same essential amino acids but nobody is suggesting we eat human menses..

7. Where do wild animal get their protein from? What are the strongest animals on the planet? Gorilla, elephant, rhino, hippo, giraffe, oxen...where do they get their protein from?

8.Where do I get my protein from? Whole, fresh, ripe, raw plant foods.

Im currently racing Cat 1, I did 225km 3 days ago and ran a marathon 9 days ago and finished a solo 24hr xc race 16 days ago..its working for me anyways...

 

[Polyarmour]

2. All plant foods contain all 8 essential amino acids. (Based on Dr Rose's work, he was the person that discovered the 8 essential human amino acids. )So even if you just ate 100% of your caloric needs from potatoes or bananas ,you would get enough protein.

I always understood that most plant foods had a "limiting amino acid" which prevented proper protein utilisation. The only plant foods that have all 8 amino acids in the correct quantities are quinoa, buckwheat, soya, hempseed and amaranth (and maybe a couple of others I can't remember). So if you're not eating these foods you need to eat a variety of plantfoods in order to pick up all the amino acids in the correct quantities? Eg beans and rice.

 

[Archibald]

As a long time vegan and someone that is currently working as a personal trainer, I find it amusing when fellow peers say 'You wont get enough protein as a vegan.you need to eat flesh and milk Harley...' and they are chugg'n down protein bars, powders, pills, amino acid isolates, BCAA' stackers etc.

I can understand it is hard to see truth when the marketing hype of the mega industries is so false and misleading. Thankfully we have a bit of science to prove otherwise.

1. There is no medical word for protein deficiency. Even marasmus and kwashiorkor refer to caloric deficiency.

2. All plant foods contain all 8 essential amino acids. (Based on Dr Rose's work, he was the person that discovered the 8 essential human amino acids. )So even if you just ate 100% of your caloric needs from potatoes or bananas ,you would get enough protein.


3. Human mothers breast milk is the lowest protein content in terms of % of total calories than any other mammals milk. Human breast milk contains around 5-6% of its calories in the form of protein.

4. Our kidneys and liver are simply not designed to consume the amounts of protein that a standard western diet contains, hence we have escalating rates of osteoporosis, renal failure, heart disease, gout etc. (The china study covers this. WTF is the china study? Its the most comprehensive epidemiological study EVER done on human nutrtion.)

5. Anything over 10% of calories coming from protein results in marked health decline long term. (Another china study conclusion.) Under 10% of total calories being optimum.

6. Whey is an industrial by product of the dairy industry. Why spend money dumping it when you can sell it to laypersons that are ignorant to its health dangers and waste product status? Eggs are just the ovulations of birds. Human ovulation/menses has the same essential amino acids but nobody is suggesting we eat human menses..

7. Where do wild animal get their protein from? What are the strongest animals on the planet? Gorilla, elephant, rhino, hippo, giraffe, oxen...where do they get their protein from?

8.Where do I get my protein from? Whole, fresh, ripe, raw plant foods.

Im currently racing Cat 1, I did 225km 3 days ago and ran a marathon 9 days ago and finished a solo 24hr xc race 16 days ago..its working for me anyways...

it's the China Study I've been reading, which is why I ask the question of where (what sources) people get their protein from...

So, which "whole, fresh, ripe, raw plant foods" are you obtaining your protein from?

 

[durianrider]

it's the China Study I've been reading, which is why I ask the question of where (what sources) people get their protein from...

So, which "whole, fresh, ripe, raw plant foods" are you obtaining your protein from?

For me its fruit. Bananas, dates, custard apples, dried figs, sultanas, jak fruit, durian etc. Im big on the fruits. I find fruit works better than equivalent calories from other carbs sources.

People say 'harley, fruit doesnt have any protein in it! You've gone bananas mate!' I say 'Well none of my nutritionist mates will take me up on a 10 000$ bet that I do and can prove it on any USDA nutritional data sheet, so will you take me up on the bet??'

Ive had no takers on that one yet. Pity, cos the new Trek Madones look pretty nice.

All plant foods contain all 8 essential amino acids. Lucky for us we get to pick thru the hundreds of plant food choices that are available to us today. We live in such plant food abundance today that the kings and queens of yesteryear would have done anything to have that abundance.

 

[durianrider]

I always understood that most plant foods had a "limiting amino acid" which prevented proper protein utilisation. The only plant foods that have all 8 amino acids in the correct quantities are quinoa, buckwheat, soya, hempseed and amaranth (and maybe a couple of others I can't remember). So if you're not eating these foods you need to eat a variety of plantfoods in order to pick up all the amino acids in the correct quantities? Eg beans and rice.

Everyone that watches mainstream TV has had the same 'understanding'. I used to do. Lucky for us, there is some science to cut thru the meat and dairy misinformation marketing. So what is the truth? Here it is :All plant foods contain all 8 essential human amino acids. Here is one medical journal reference. There is plenty more. http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/105/25/e197

Slowly, slowly the truth is coming out. Its like a bike company saying 'our bicycles contain all the essential cycling components, wheels, tyres, pedals, seat etc.'.

A cycling newbie would just read the advertising and assume that companies bicycle contain all the essential parts.Now give that bicycle company a few billion dollars each year to advertise(animal product industries spend that per year advertising) and it will become urban legend that if you dont buy that companies bikes, you wont have all the essential cycling components.

Thats the situation we have today. People running around guzzing protein powders on top of bacon and eggs, steaks and 4 big macs and setting a timer at night time to drink another protein shake. Doesnt make any sense but it makes a lot of dollars.

Its ironic that today in the health and fitness industry, the biggest pushers of animal products are also the biggest pushers of protein powders.

 

[Archibald]

"all plant foods contain all 8 essential human amino acids"

I'm going to play devil's advocate here - to what levels do they contain all of those amino acids? surely, they don't all have the same amount of each amino acid?

on a side note, was The China Study why you became vegetarian?

must admit that considering the content of earthlings.com on where and how the US meat industry gain their product, it's rather scarey to see how ignorant Americans are about what they eat. That's one place that I would be a selective vegetarian whenever visiting...