Pulling a Wiggins

[The Hitch]

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I wonder what Wiggins was prepared to do to get those elusive millions of pounds he felt he deserved in the aftermath of winning Gold.

He looked at the road, saw that the elite stage racers were making a lot of bank.. and was of course never even tempted to resort to dope like he surely knew everyone was doing. Gotta have some principles.

Remarkably, he nonetheless reached their level in 2009 and started time trialling up mountains quicker than the specialist climbers in 2012.

Yep. It looks pretty clear that this is what happened. In his 2007 speech he made a big deal out of the fact that dopers had massive salaries. 2 years later the sport is suddenly 100% clean, Wiggins is suddenly the best, he gets his million dollar salary, there's no doping to complicate things, pigs can fly and the whole world lives happily ever after.

 

[badboygolf16v]

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it was amphetamines and speed.

Amphetamines AND speed. WTF. Wiggins talking *** as usual.

 

[blackcat]

come on, Wiggins still doped as a pursuiter on the track.

who are you kidding that Wiggins was clean on the track? he WASNT.

he just was not the full *** of the current road GT GCers

 

[oldcrank]

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http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/bradley-wiggins-i-was-olympic-champion-and-couldnt-pay-the-mortgage-170592

Wiggins on Desert Island discs.

I wasn't previously aware that his father sold PEDs
Wiggins said that the birth of his son focussed his attention on providing for his family, and also of his feeling towards his own father, Gary. Wiggins said that his father, an Australian track cyclist who had moved to Europe to find success, was known as ‘Doc’ for supplying other riders with performance-enhancing drugs, notably amphetamines.
“He did a bit of everything. In those days it was amphetamines and speed. He was a user and used to sell it as well.
Wiggins gave a straight ‘no’ when asked by Young whether he’s ever been tempted to take drugs during his cycling career.
Going to have to listen to it on the iPlayer.

When I heard Sir Brad was going to be a castaway on
Desert Island Discs with Kirsty Young I was hoping he
would choose one Kilburn and the High Roads track as
a nod to the old neighbourhood. He did pick Reasons
To Be Cheerful, Part 3 by Ian Dury and the Blockheads
but I must admit I was still a bit disappointed...however
it is Wiggo's list and not mine.

I wonder what Dr. Steve Peters would say about Big Wig
choosing both I Am The Resurrection by the Stone Roses
and Sympathy For The Devil by the Rolling Stones?

I laughed when Sir Brad confessed to using Rock 'n Roll Star
by Oasis as a pre-race tune when he was younger:

You're not down with who I am
Look at you now, you're all in my hands.
Tonight

Tonight I'm a rock 'n roll star
Tonight I'm a rock 'n roll star
Tonight I'm a rock 'n roll star

Hey, that still works, my friend, and I hope it's blasting June 7th!!

 

[thehog]

After juicing his performance to levels unseen in his career, Wiggins now cannot be bothered to ever try for a grand tour again. Convenient. Hesjedal was pretty much a joke this season. Even Contador does not seem willing to risk much. Is this the new strategy for doping: Dope yourself to the moon then coast on the results?

Who is next?

This thread needs a revisit, very apt with what we known now!

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

Simple.

One needs too get sick, really sick, to have a shot and winning a GT.

A big asthma crisis. Or was it allergies?
Whatever those TUEs were about. That's "pulling a Sir Wiggins"

P.S. The thread needs a name change.

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

Sorry, I meant "have a shot at winning a GT". Sorry.

 

[The Hitch]

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Com'on Wrinkly, stop dodging the question. A poster asked you some days ago, how do you think Sir Bradley lost all that weight. Nigel was dietitian with whom all the BC riders were working with since 2001. By 2006 the best he could do was get Sir Bradley down to 75-76 kg. At the same time Aicar and the rest of the matching, undetectable dope products burst on the scene, Sir Bradley, 10 years into a full time career, can lose another 7 kg under the same tutelage.

I think it is taking the p*ss big style to pretend it is diet, but you were asked, quite civilly, to express your best suggestion for how Sir Bradley achieved this. To date all you have done is nit-pick and dodge.

Why don't I think it is diet ? Nigel was doing his best with athletes up to 2008. To justify that step change not only does Sir Bradley have to control things in a manner that his persona both public and private seems little disposed to, but Nigel has to develop a knowledge and understanding that makes him the greatest dietitian to endurance athletes the world has ever seen, from previously being, when making judgements according to his new level of performance, distinctly third rate.

So that makes it three miracles to occur contemporaneously.
Aicar - undetectable to PED tests enters the peloton - Sir Bradley will not be tempted.
Nigel - I know I have been advising you on diet for 8 years but I have this great new diet that will make you lose 10% of your weight and still produce the same power.
Brad - grips life and changes mentality from Tour packfill who will always lose to the dopers changes to the mentality of a hardened serial Grand Tour winner towards the end of his career - I knew I could do it, but it was only the other night after a skinful of Pale Ale I realised I was right, I can beat all them dopers clean.

Err - 3 miracles at once? Sure thing - got to be true - in professional cycling of all places. Right. I am sure

Rather, I would insert one very non-miraculous Shane Sutton giving some home truths about what Brad could do, given a window opening up, exactly like that which EPO opened up in front of Big Mig. In Mig's day it was riders with ars*s as big as buses keeping up with the climbers. Aicar has given us the reverse. Insects like Froome out TTing any beast you want to put on a drag strip.

OK Wrinkly - the floor is yours.

????

No answer to a well thought out post........hmmm

Wow that was indeed a great post from ftf.

And as benno points out, no answer.

They will fight the little meaningless battles tooth and nail though as if their life depended on it.

I think they all know the Wiggins story does not add up one iota

 

[sniper]

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Simple.

One needs too get sick, really sick, to have a shot and winning a GT.

A big asthma crisis. Or was it allergies?
Whatever those TUEs were about. That's "pulling a Sir Wiggins"

P.S. The thread needs a name change.

nice pun.

 

[Benotti69]

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Com'on Wrinkly, stop dodging the question. A poster asked you some days ago, how do you think Sir Bradley lost all that weight. Nigel was dietitian with whom all the BC riders were working with since 2001. By 2006 the best he could do was get Sir Bradley down to 75-76 kg. At the same time Aicar and the rest of the matching, undetectable dope products burst on the scene, Sir Bradley, 10 years into a full time career, can lose another 7 kg under the same tutelage.

I think it is taking the p*ss big style to pretend it is diet, but you were asked, quite civilly, to express your best suggestion for how Sir Bradley achieved this. To date all you have done is nit-pick and dodge.

Why don't I think it is diet ? Nigel was doing his best with athletes up to 2008. To justify that step change not only does Sir Bradley have to control things in a manner that his persona both public and private seems little disposed to, but Nigel has to develop a knowledge and understanding that makes him the greatest dietitian to endurance athletes the world has ever seen, from previously being, when making judgements according to his new level of performance, distinctly third rate.

So that makes it three miracles to occur contemporaneously.
Aicar - undetectable to PED tests enters the peloton - Sir Bradley will not be tempted.
Nigel - I know I have been advising you on diet for 8 years but I have this great new diet that will make you lose 10% of your weight and still produce the same power.
Brad - grips life and changes mentality from Tour packfill who will always lose to the dopers changes to the mentality of a hardened serial Grand Tour winner towards the end of his career - I knew I could do it, but it was only the other night after a skinful of Pale Ale I realised I was right, I can beat all them dopers clean.

Err - 3 miracles at once? Sure thing - got to be true - in professional cycling of all places. Right. I am sure

Rather, I would insert one very non-miraculous Shane Sutton giving some home truths about what Brad could do, given a window opening up, exactly like that which EPO opened up in front of Big Mig. In Mig's day it was riders with ars*s as big as buses keeping up with the climbers. Aicar has given us the reverse. Insects like Froome out TTing any beast you want to put on a drag strip.

OK Wrinkly - the floor is yours.

????

No answer to a well thought out post........hmmm

Wow that was indeed a great post from ftf.

And as benno points out, no answer.

They will fight the little meaningless battles tooth and nail though as if their life depended on it.

I think they all know the Wiggins story does not add up one iota

The silence from Wiggins/Brailsford/Sky shows it stinks.

Letting the likes of Syed, Richard Moore and Steve Cram do the PR, screams they know they have been caught.

 

[Benotti69]

Wiggins to talk to Andrew Marr well know cycling and doping specialist!!!

Hahahaha.

Straight from the Armstrong playbook.

 

[sniper]

and pre-recorded, iinm.

 

[Benotti69]

Matt DickinsonVerified account

‏@DickinsonTimes Matt Dickinson Retweeted Rob Burley
Interesting change of tack after Wiggins had promised to sit down with sports journos

Matt Dickinson ‏@DickinsonTimes 2h2 hours ago
@RobBurl having been told he'll sit down with me and explain all a week ago, inevitably frustrating he's not followed through

Wiggins and Sky have broken lots of promises. What's new and in pro cyclig it points to cheating/doping. Trimacolne the tip of the iceberg.

 

[thehog]

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Matt DickinsonVerified account

‏@DickinsonTimes Matt Dickinson Retweeted Rob Burley
Interesting change of tack after Wiggins had promised to sit down with sports journos

Matt Dickinson ‏@DickinsonTimes 2h2 hours ago
@RobBurl having been told he'll sit down with me and explain all a week ago, inevitably frustrating he's not followed through

Wiggins and Sky have broken lots of promises. What's new and in pro cyclig it points to cheating/doping. Trimacolne the tip of the iceberg.

All those fawning journalists who thought the love was mutual. Wiggins now ignores them & they are upset, too funny :lol:

 

[Benotti69]

Tune into @BBCNewsnight tonight 2230 (2300 in Scotland) for excl interview with Michael Rasmussen on Team Sky/Wiggins TUE story

Also, A former team doctor of Sir Bradley Wiggins has questioned the decision to allow him to use a banned steroid just days before major races.
Prentice Steffen said he was "surprised" he was prescribed the drug.
He told BBC Newsnight the sport's governing body was wrong to give the cyclist permission to use a powerful corticosteroid before major races.

JV getting his dig in via Steffen.

 

[MmeDesgrange]

Rasmussen: this looks like something you would do to cheat. I know. I did it.

Steffen: Wiggins is bottom of this heap. We should be asking why the team doctor, the team, British Cycling and the UCI were happy to sign off on this

UCI: we have a robust TUE procedure

Sky: we have done everything by the rules

Interesting from the UCI and Sky. Robust TUE procedure my arse - matter of record that UCI broke the rules in granting Froome's Romandie TUE when it was signed off by Zorzoli alone, and not for the first time.

Nice to see the Chicken looking as scrawny and interesting as ever. Great shame what happened to him

 

[doolols]

Wiggins -> Andrew Marr
Armstrong -> Oprah

I know, different leagues (on both sides), but the precedent has been set. Talk to a non-sporting TV journalist, so they won't ask too many probing questions, but will play the general population PR card.

Armstrong was to admit doping, admittedly, and Sir Brad? All we have is TUEs, signed off by doctors, and approved by the UCI. Brad came claim total ignorance - "these are the professionals, this is what they told me I needed for my allergies, it wasn't against the rules. What was I supposed to do?"

 

[The Hitch]

Non sporting tv journalist won't ask too many probing questions? I disagree with that. Ok they might not, but the usual cycling lot - sloberingham, moore, walsh, gallacher, friebe etc, will DEFINATELY not ask any probing questions.

Unless wiggins is afraid someone else got to them and offered them 30 pieces of silver more than he did

 

[sniper]

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...
JV getting his dig in via Steffen.

looks like it.
neither steffen nor jv have ever expressed any concern about working with Johnny Weltz, for instance, who's been exposed as a dope facilitator for both USPS and CSC and whom Steffen himself called a 'drugs cheat' in an interview back in the 90s.
but kudos to steffen nonetheless and especially to Daly for getting him and Rasmussen on the record in front of a big audience.

 

[classicomano]

Tom Dumoulin also blasted Wiggins today, basically calling *** on the whole TUE thing and Wiggins in particular. Good!

 

[Benotti69]

"no rules were broken" has become the "never failed a test"...................

We know the never failed a test was a lie. There was a failed test in '99 and then others when retrospective testing was done.

No rules were broken is not true. Sky/Wiggins refused to join MPCC because they said the rules did not go far enough. So they have broken the rules, MPCC rules, which Sky/Wiggins claimed were not strict enough.

Wiggins and Sky look pretty much the same as any other dopers caught. The silence, the denials, then the excuses, boy have we been here so many times before.

Now who look like W***ers and C***s? It sure aint the fans!

 

[Benotti69]

JV still getting his digs in

Jonathan Vaughters ‏@Vaughters

Thing is about saying "no rules were broken" concerning TUE, is that statement only true if stated reason u garnered TUE is 100% truthful.

 

[sniper]

"no rules were broken" has become the "never failed a test"

that's spot on.

as for jv,
He dedicates his life to antidoping, so it's about time he starts voicing some concerns.
He's been without results for a while, which in fairness does suggest a more prudent approach to doping from him and his staff compared to other teams. Must also say he's always been a proponent of the MPCC.
Having Steffen put the boot into Wiggins is another plus.
So he's scoring some sympathy points here and there.

That said, he still needs to do much more to cancel out all the nonsense about clean cycling he's bestowed upon us in previous years.

 

[Random Direction]

Sniper, have you been drinking, or has your profile been hacked? Quite conciliatory in tone

 

[doperhopper]

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Wiggins -> Andrew Marr
Armstrong -> Oprah

I know, different leagues (on both sides), but the precedent has been set. Talk to a non-sporting TV journalist, so they won't ask too many probing questions, but will play the general population PR card.

Armstrong was to admit doping, admittedly, and Sir Brad? All we have is TUEs, signed off by doctors, and approved by the UCI. Brad came claim total ignorance - "these are the professionals, this is what they told me I needed for my allergies, it wasn't against the rules. What was I supposed to do?"

... so he will admit TUEs - what do you expect?

No Floyd, no Tyler, no Nowitzky's gun, no jail threat.. and as knight you can use full metal armor! Maybe even teflon coated.