Wiggo - great inspiration for young cyclists... to make videos like this "Just TUE it!"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn7ESfA5_EU
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn7ESfA5_EU
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That sounds incredibly hypocritical from Wiggins (along with Wiggo's condemnation of use of needles (David Walsh in the Sunday Times today) the day after he received a steroid jab of his own at the 2011 Tour! Definitely no love lost between Millar & Wiggins now and I don't see how Wiggin's and Brailsford's reputations can ever fully recover from this.
That sounds incredibly hypocritical from Wiggins (along with Wiggo's condemnation of use of needles (David Walsh in the Sunday Times today) the day after he received a steroid jab of his own at the 2011 Tour! Definitely no love lost between Millar & Wiggins now and I don't see how Wiggin's and Brailsford's reputations can ever fully recover from this.
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MatParker117 said:
Fans have a right not to be lied too. Sky lied about needles. Wiggins lied about needles and it appears lied about asthma and allergies. We know how the system works. Making up an illness to get super powerful performance enhancing drugs is cheating. In sport when people tell lies it is due to cheating.
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So now we have Brailsford giving 100% backing to Wiggins on the one hand - a newly disquieted Walsh on the other - and Froome where? Is he not fuming about all this?
Meanwhile a whole raft of the Medusa of unanswered questions about Dr Freeman (Sky/BC) and Shane Sutton (Sky/BC) and their involvement in the Wiggins TUEs (in competition) and not a dickie bird about the abuse of cortisone OOC
Meanwhile a whole raft of the Medusa of unanswered questions about Dr Freeman (Sky/BC) and Shane Sutton (Sky/BC) and their involvement in the Wiggins TUEs (in competition) and not a dickie bird about the abuse of cortisone OOC
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Saw somewhere that Froome said he didnt know about Wiggins' TUEs or any other Sky rider for that matter
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I think what the other poster means is where is Froome's outrage. Is he not outraged that Wiggins cheated him to deny him his first TDF and in the process taints him, all his victories and his entire team?
Ask Froome for his VAM and he goes ape *** but cheat him out of a win then taint all his victories for ever and he's cool with it?
Right, but that's not really saying anything.PremierAndrew said:
I think what the other poster means is where is Froome's outrage. Is he not outraged that Wiggins cheated him to deny him his first TDF and in the process taints him, all his victories and his entire team?
Ask Froome for his VAM and he goes ape *** but cheat him out of a win then taint all his victories for ever and he's cool with it?
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Not sure if this has been posted yet, but I found this pretty good link on YouTube from the BBC of all places about it. The Chicken gives a pretty honest interview within.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t3lu0LutMU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t3lu0LutMU
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Who else has done it? More to the point, who else has won a tour without drugs in a field of TUE abusers? Or for that matter, who else has won a tour without drugs...
willbick said:
Who else has done it? More to the point, who else has won a tour without drugs in a field of TUE abusers? Or for that matter, who else has won a tour without drugs...
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I thought Brad sorted it all last week when he went on the record with the full and truthful story to Marr ? "Dazed and confused" - where are you ?
So now this week's version that "the guy who did write the autobiography, the one that Brad didn't write, because it had a bit saying Brad never ever ever, in his whole life cross his dear little heart, had never had an injection", spent the week working on (a whole week - are they "slow" workers?) with Brad after the Marr show, has it that Brad did contribute to the biography but together they had a secret plan to keep his asthma and pollen allergy afflictions, which seem to be egged up to now be of nearly life threatening proportion, which is why he needs shots of a PED that most medics will not use except as a very, very last resort, as a precautionary measure, just in case he gets poorly during the Tour or Giro. "Better Safe than sorry" as the tale goes ! The idea being that this "iron man" would keep it all secret together with his confidant, so that none of his rivals would know about his "weakness" if they were reading any of his five (is it? ) autobiographies, looking for clues on how to defeat the gallant Sir knight. Not that Sir Brad is up his own backside or telling porkies or anything like that, no he is too busy running dodgy charities and cracking appalling sick jokes at charity dinners, for that.
And to prove it all so that we know for certain that this time and for ever, ever after and for ever, we are getting the truth (I thought we had that last week-end with Marr ?) Sir Brad showed the most critical of cycling journalists, who goes by the sobriquet amongst his fans "Slobberingham", a quick sight of a copy of a letter, no, several letters, all from the same dodgy doctor who signed off the TUEs to say that it was not a dodgy TUE he was signing off but a bona fide reason and he is a doctor and those "bone idle wank*rs who have never done anything in their life apart from sit at their keyboards" need to shut the f*ck up,( but don't ask him how much his retainer from Team Sky was for offering his "services" to sport).
But then none of the dates match and it all looks like a tale that a pair of 7 year olds would make up in the play ground, with the ink still wet on the letters from the dodgy doctor for Slobberingham to tell us he had seen.
I certainly enjoyed my beer last night after reading all that stuff.
Surely Shane can add some facts to support Sir Brad in all of this.
SundayRider said:
I thought Brad sorted it all last week when he went on the record with the full and truthful story to Marr ? "Dazed and confused" - where are you ?
So now this week's version that "the guy who did write the autobiography, the one that Brad didn't write, because it had a bit saying Brad never ever ever, in his whole life cross his dear little heart, had never had an injection", spent the week working on (a whole week - are they "slow" workers?) with Brad after the Marr show, has it that Brad did contribute to the biography but together they had a secret plan to keep his asthma and pollen allergy afflictions, which seem to be egged up to now be of nearly life threatening proportion, which is why he needs shots of a PED that most medics will not use except as a very, very last resort, as a precautionary measure, just in case he gets poorly during the Tour or Giro. "Better Safe than sorry" as the tale goes ! The idea being that this "iron man" would keep it all secret together with his confidant, so that none of his rivals would know about his "weakness" if they were reading any of his five (is it? ) autobiographies, looking for clues on how to defeat the gallant Sir knight. Not that Sir Brad is up his own backside or telling porkies or anything like that, no he is too busy running dodgy charities and cracking appalling sick jokes at charity dinners, for that.
And to prove it all so that we know for certain that this time and for ever, ever after and for ever, we are getting the truth (I thought we had that last week-end with Marr ?) Sir Brad showed the most critical of cycling journalists, who goes by the sobriquet amongst his fans "Slobberingham", a quick sight of a copy of a letter, no, several letters, all from the same dodgy doctor who signed off the TUEs to say that it was not a dodgy TUE he was signing off but a bona fide reason and he is a doctor and those "bone idle wank*rs who have never done anything in their life apart from sit at their keyboards" need to shut the f*ck up,( but don't ask him how much his retainer from Team Sky was for offering his "services" to sport).
But then none of the dates match and it all looks like a tale that a pair of 7 year olds would make up in the play ground, with the ink still wet on the letters from the dodgy doctor for Slobberingham to tell us he had seen.
I certainly enjoyed my beer last night after reading all that stuff.
Surely Shane can add some facts to support Sir Brad in all of this.
As somebody who suffers from hayfever quite badly during the period he sets out, what he sets out is in his most recent interview is entirely plausible and certainly what I would expect of a hayfever sufferer travelling between Spanish Islands and Northern Europe in the pollen season.
Hayfever isn't linear in the sense that you might know what time each year you generally suffer but it can be worse some years better others.
However the questions still remain over the strength & appropriateness of the treatment, the genuine need, knowledge of the team management and the UCI granting of it.
I just don't get why Wiggins didn't make this interview immediately - it would have probably shifted 90% of the focus straight onto Brailsford and the UCI. It indicates how much of the message is being 'stage managed' by the SKY PR machine. He has taken a lot of heat in the past two weeks when ultimately this would have had to be signed off by Brailsford.
I think the PR machine has been carefully gauging reaction before their next move/interview.
Ultimately I feel Brailsford is telling a pack of lies at best its just another episode of appalling judgement by the man.
Hayfever isn't linear in the sense that you might know what time each year you generally suffer but it can be worse some years better others.
However the questions still remain over the strength & appropriateness of the treatment, the genuine need, knowledge of the team management and the UCI granting of it.
I just don't get why Wiggins didn't make this interview immediately - it would have probably shifted 90% of the focus straight onto Brailsford and the UCI. It indicates how much of the message is being 'stage managed' by the SKY PR machine. He has taken a lot of heat in the past two weeks when ultimately this would have had to be signed off by Brailsford.
I think the PR machine has been carefully gauging reaction before their next move/interview.
Ultimately I feel Brailsford is telling a pack of lies at best its just another episode of appalling judgement by the man.
Sure, he describes what hayfever looks like.
I could do that too after quickly consulting wikipedia.
Problem is nobody, including Wiggins himself, has ever seen any of those symptoms on wiggins.
Well not prior to the fancybear leak.
I could do that too after quickly consulting wikipedia.
Problem is nobody, including Wiggins himself, has ever seen any of those symptoms on wiggins.
Well not prior to the fancybear leak.
Eh, Evans went from best week three performance to being a ten day hero in the space of nine months. Clearly something went missing that off-season which didn't stop him performing nicely for a week or so (indeed some of his better wins came in those years).
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The symptoms he describes are exactly what I get at a similar time of the year. Okay you might be able to get a few symptoms of Wikipedia but specific examples of how those symptoms manifest themselves in your body as he describes? I don't think so.
Those around him wouldn't see a lot of those symptoms. In fact if you were to ask 10 of my friends if I suffered from hayfever probably 50% of them would say I didn't. My doctor always suggests that I take Zirtek/Cetrizine a few weeks before the pollen to get it into my system, as a preventative. You don't wait until it feels like somebody has lobbed a handful of sand in your eyes and shoved two corks up your nose before you start taking anti-histamine tabs, drops and spray.
Bizarrely, when I used to race I just thought I went crap in the summer months and always had a blocked nose and sore eyes. Wasn't till a couple of years after when sneezing became a symptom I realised I had suffered from mild hayfever for some years beforehand.
BUT I am giving the benefit of doubt here. Whilst the allergy story stacks up, the rest of it still doesn't and the description of how the performance/medical part of Team Sky is managed doesn't read as convincing at all.
sniper said:
The symptoms he describes are exactly what I get at a similar time of the year. Okay you might be able to get a few symptoms of Wikipedia but specific examples of how those symptoms manifest themselves in your body as he describes? I don't think so.
Those around him wouldn't see a lot of those symptoms. In fact if you were to ask 10 of my friends if I suffered from hayfever probably 50% of them would say I didn't. My doctor always suggests that I take Zirtek/Cetrizine a few weeks before the pollen to get it into my system, as a preventative. You don't wait until it feels like somebody has lobbed a handful of sand in your eyes and shoved two corks up your nose before you start taking anti-histamine tabs, drops and spray.
Bizarrely, when I used to race I just thought I went crap in the summer months and always had a blocked nose and sore eyes. Wasn't till a couple of years after when sneezing became a symptom I realised I had suffered from mild hayfever for some years beforehand.
BUT I am giving the benefit of doubt here. Whilst the allergy story stacks up, the rest of it still doesn't and the description of how the performance/medical part of Team Sky is managed doesn't read as convincing at all.
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If I put "hayfever symptoms" in google this is the first thing that appears on my screen:
So let me get this straight. We get lied to left right and center both by Sky ("noone rides with TUEs", etc.) and Wiggins ("never took a needle", etc.). We get taken for a ride here, they throw up smokescreens there.
And yet, you give them the benefit of the doubt?
Riiiight.
Look, there is no proof that wiggins didn't really have hayfever and/or asthma. But at this point, to give him the 'benefit of the doubt', that's levels of gullibility previously unknown to me.
Forget wikipedia. We can do this much quicker.B_Ugli said:
If I put "hayfever symptoms" in google this is the first thing that appears on my screen:
It's as if they just plagiarized it from that Wiggins interview.
So let me get this straight. We get lied to left right and center both by Sky ("noone rides with TUEs", etc.) and Wiggins ("never took a needle", etc.). We get taken for a ride here, they throw up smokescreens there.
And yet, you give them the benefit of the doubt?
Riiiight.
Look, there is no proof that wiggins didn't really have hayfever and/or asthma. But at this point, to give him the 'benefit of the doubt', that's levels of gullibility previously unknown to me.
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http://www.volkskrant.nl/sport/sir-bradley-en-de-vijf-leugens~a4387145/
'Sir Bradley & the five lies'
'Sir Bradley & the five lies'
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