Pulling a Wiggins

[StryderHells]

Re: Re:

Is the 2012 Tour de France title going to be vacated?

Yes it will...Also C. Froome`s three TDF wins will be vacated and it is just a matter of times.

Are you sure about that? Ullrich still has his, so does Riis/Indurain/Merckx..... The list is long so it's no shock that Frrome or Wiggins doped to win but I'd be genuinely shocked if the titles were stripped

 

[pastronef]

More to the point the drug was apparently shipped from Manchester to France. Why was an unlicensed drug prescribed and stored in the UK?

Because you can buy it from your local health food store..?

tell me more

 

[King Boonen]

More to the point the drug was apparently shipped from Manchester to France. Why was an unlicensed drug prescribed and stored in the UK?

Because you can buy it from your local health food store..?

tell me more

http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/shop/product/holland-barrett-n-acetyl-cysteine-nac-capsules-600mg-60000211?skuid=000211&&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=CjwKEAiAp97CBRDr2Oyl-faxqRMSJABx4kh9vIKZWOj-fxfsl8W2-NNLyr62JTbzfpq3Ejn_iYgymBoChJbw_wcB

It obviously depends on the form it took etc.

 

[thehog]

Probably not the best drug for asthmatics

 

[thehog]

More to the point the drug was apparently shipped from Manchester to France. Why was an unlicensed drug prescribed and stored in the UK?

Because you can buy it from your local health food store..?

tell me more

http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/shop/product/holland-barrett-n-acetyl-cysteine-nac-capsules-600mg-60000211?skuid=000211&&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=CjwKEAiAp97CBRDr2Oyl-faxqRMSJABx4kh9vIKZWOj-fxfsl8W2-NNLyr62JTbzfpq3Ejn_iYgymBoChJbw_wcB

It obviously depends on the form it took etc.

That's amino acids not the synthetic drug. Seriously? :lol:

 

[pastronef]

More to the point the drug was apparently shipped from Manchester to France. Why was an unlicensed drug prescribed and stored in the UK?

Because you can buy it from your local health food store..?

tell me more

http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/shop/product/holland-barrett-n-acetyl-cysteine-nac-capsules-600mg-60000211?skuid=000211&&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=CjwKEAiAp97CBRDr2Oyl-faxqRMSJABx4kh9vIKZWOj-fxfsl8W2-NNLyr62JTbzfpq3Ejn_iYgymBoChJbw_wcB

It obviously depends on the form it took etc.

thank you

 

[GJB123]

Okay, so Brailsford made sure to ask Freeman what was in the package since that was his part of his duty as director of Sky. How come then that he first remembered that is was for Emma Pooley instead of Bradley Wiggins. It is apparent lie upon apparent lie and nobody outside in sports journalism stops and als what the hell is really going on?

 

[King Boonen]

More to the point the drug was apparently shipped from Manchester to France. Why was an unlicensed drug prescribed and stored in the UK?

Because you can buy it from your local health food store..?

tell me more

http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/shop/product/holland-barrett-n-acetyl-cysteine-nac-capsules-600mg-60000211?skuid=000211&&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=CjwKEAiAp97CBRDr2Oyl-faxqRMSJABx4kh9vIKZWOj-fxfsl8W2-NNLyr62JTbzfpq3Ejn_iYgymBoChJbw_wcB

It obviously depends on the form it took etc.

That's amino acids not the synthetic drug. Seriously? :lol:

Yes, seriously. It's the same thing.

 

[thehog]

No it's not.

Cysteine is one of 20 amino acids that are the building block of proteins used throughout the body. Protein forms the structure of all of the body's cells and tissues, including muscle tissue, internal organs, tendons, hair, skin and nails. Cysteine is a non-essential amino acid as it is one of 12 amino acids that can be produced naturally by the body. Acetyl L-Cysteine provides stability, increased bioavailability and is an altered form of the amino acid L-Cysteine.

 

[King Boonen]

No it's not.

Cysteine is one of 20 amino acids that are the building block of proteins used throughout the body. Protein forms the structure of all of the body's cells and tissues, including muscle tissue, internal organs, tendons, hair, skin and nails. Cysteine is a non-essential amino acid as it is one of 12 amino acids that can be produced naturally by the body. Acetyl L-Cysteine provides stability, increased bioavailability and is an altered form of the amino acid L-Cysteine.

Seriously, it's the same thing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylcysteine

Look at trade names.

You have quoted text on both cysteine and acetyl L-cysteine, they are two different things. Acetyl L-cysteine is fluimucil.

 

[Irondan]

No it's not.

Cysteine is one of 20 amino acids that are the building block of proteins used throughout the body. Protein forms the structure of all of the body's cells and tissues, including muscle tissue, internal organs, tendons, hair, skin and nails. Cysteine is a non-essential amino acid as it is one of 12 amino acids that can be produced naturally by the body. Acetyl L-Cysteine provides stability, increased bioavailability and is an altered form of the amino acid L-Cysteine.

I looked it up, it's the same thing.

Please don't make me post a bunch of screenshots to prove that i'm not lying...

 

[King Boonen]

No it's not.

Cysteine is one of 20 amino acids that are the building block of proteins used throughout the body. Protein forms the structure of all of the body's cells and tissues, including muscle tissue, internal organs, tendons, hair, skin and nails. Cysteine is a non-essential amino acid as it is one of 12 amino acids that can be produced naturally by the body. Acetyl L-Cysteine provides stability, increased bioavailability and is an altered form of the amino acid L-Cysteine.

I looked it up, it's the same thing.

Please don't make me post a bunch of screenshots to prove that i'm not lying...

Thanks, we are literally discussing things that I look at every single day in my job. I very much know what I'm talking about here.

 

[Poursuivant]

Acetylcysteine, in other forms is licensed in the UK.

 

[Benotti69]

Wonder was Wiggins taking Fluimucil at Garmin and why not if he needed it at Sky?

 

[Irondan]

Re:

Acetylcysteine, in other forms is licensed in the UK.

It also has some serious side effects to people with asthma...

Clinically overt acetylcysteine induced bronchospasm occurs infrequently and unpredictably even in patients with asthmatic bronchitis or bronchitis complicating bronchial asthma.

Serious side effects of acetylcysteine solution may include:

chest tightness,
bronchoconstriction, and
bleeding.

http://www.rxlist.com/acetylcysteine-solution-side-effects-drug-center.htm

 

[King Boonen]

Re:

Acetylcysteine, in other forms is licensed in the UK.

Is it? I'm pretty sure it isn't but it's covered under a European licence (lets not discuss Brexit) and as a supplement it doesn't require one.

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

Acetylcysteine, in other forms is licensed in the UK.

Is it? I'm pretty sure it isn't but it's covered under a European licence (lets not discuss Brexit) and as a supplement it doesn't require one.

Should have checked myself:

http://www.mhra.gov.uk/spc-pil/?subsName=ACETYLCYSTEINE&pageID=SecondLevel

 

[sniper]

Fumacil, with all respect but it's a moot discussion.
They were always going to pick something that won't have any repercussions. They had plenty of time to think it through. Fumacil is a solid pick. Cough medicine, fitting Wiggins asthma.

We know for a fact that there was something else in the bag.

 

[thehog]

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Fumacil, with all respect but it's a moot discussion.
They were always going to pick something that won't have any repercussions. They had plenty of time to think it through. Fumacil is a solid pick. Cough medicine, fitting Wiggins asthma.

We know for a fact that there was something else in the bag.

I think it will be time for more dodgy Froome-esq faxes passed off as medical records here.... :lol:

 

[Irondan]

Re:

Fumacil, with all respect but it's a moot discussion.
They were always going to pick something that won't have any repercussions. They had plenty of time to think it through. Fumacil is a solid pick. Cough medicine, fitting Wiggins asthma.

We know for a fact that there was something else in the bag.

This "pick" does have repercussions though.... It leads to so many more questions.

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

Fumacil, with all respect but it's a moot discussion.
They were always going to pick something that won't have any repercussions. They had plenty of time to think it through. Fumacil is a solid pick. Cough medicine, fitting Wiggins asthma.

We know for a fact that there was something else in the bag.

I think it will be time for more dodgy Froome-esq faxes passed off as medical records here.... :lol:

Lol. I was thinking this.

"UKAD have Wiggins medical file and i have no reason to believe it will contradict brailsford". Have to agree with Matt there.

 

[RownhamHill]

Re: Re:

Acetylcysteine, in other forms is licensed in the UK.

Is it? I'm pretty sure it isn't but it's covered under a European licence (lets not discuss Brexit) and as a supplement it doesn't require one.

Should have checked myself:

http://www.mhra.gov.uk/spc-pil/?subsName=ACETYLCYSTEINE&pageID=SecondLevel

Is the list that you've linked to all the formulations of of Acetylcysteine that are licensed in the UK? If so, isn't one of the formulations the 600mg effervescent version that the other NHS website said was unlicensed?

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

Acetylcysteine, in other forms is licensed in the UK.

Is it? I'm pretty sure it isn't but it's covered under a European licence (lets not discuss Brexit) and as a supplement it doesn't require one.

Should have checked myself:

http://www.mhra.gov.uk/spc-pil/?subsName=ACETYLCYSTEINE&pageID=SecondLevel

Is the list that you've linked to all the formulations of of Acetylcysteine that are licensed in the UK? If so, isn't one of the formulations the 600mg effervescent version that the other NHS website said was unlicensed?

None of the listed medications are fluimacil. The active ingredient is the same but the formulation will differ and that requires regulatory approval. I don't know where the picture Hog posted came from, but if it is specifically talking about fluimacil then my guess is that specific brand does not have regulatory approval.

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

Fumacil, with all respect but it's a moot discussion.
They were always going to pick something that won't have any repercussions. They had plenty of time to think it through. Fumacil is a solid pick. Cough medicine, fitting Wiggins asthma.

We know for a fact that there was something else in the bag.

This "pick" does have repercussions though.... It leads to so many more questions.

Sure, but no damning questions.
It's not a ped and doesn't require injection so it'll soon be forgotten.
Whether or not it was licensed is gonna be an irrelevant footnote after a few days.

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

Fumacil, with all respect but it's a moot discussion.
They were always going to pick something that won't have any repercussions. They had plenty of time to think it through. Fumacil is a solid pick. Cough medicine, fitting Wiggins asthma.

We know for a fact that there was something else in the bag.

This "pick" does have repercussions though.... It leads to so many more questions.

Not really, it's regularly given to people with asthma, COPD etc. you're just meant to monitor them and stop treatment if they have problems. The problem is people will find the first snippet and then not bother looking into it further or not be able to.