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Tour of Russia stage 3: Tver' (Тверь) - Sergiyev Posad (Сергиев Посад), 229km

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Climbs:
Aladyino (Аладьино)(cat.3) 2,2km @ 3,6%
Ilyinskoye (Ильинское)(cat.3) 1,0km @ 5,9%
Voldynskoye (Волдынское)(cat.3) 1,4km @ 4,8%
Pritykino (Притыкино)(cat.3) 2,8km @ 3,6%

Intermediate sprints:
Klin (Клин), 75km
Yakhroma (Яхрома), 135km
Dmitrov (Дмитров), 184km

This is the point at which the riders start to get a bit fed up. After the finish of yesterday's stage, there is a 350km transfer to the start of the third stage - although all of this is along the main St. Petersburg-Moscow highway (unless they take the train while the convoy deals with the road, which, this being Russia, they would be advised to do). And immediately this leads us into the longest stage of the race, a relentless, rolling sprawl of a stage that takes us into Moscow Oblast and heads along its route north of the city.

We start for the day in Tver', an old city which once rivaled Moscow for supremacy among Russian states, but as you might have guessed from their current relative sizes, even though Tver' houses over 400 000 people, it lost. Badly. Its decline was halted by the establishment of St. Petersburg, making it an important transit town between the two, however a devastating fire and Soviet-era destruction mean much of the history of the city has been sadly lost. The riders head southeastwards from the city along the main St. Petersburg-Moscow highway for the first third of the stage, so much like the closing stages of yesterday, it is very fast, wide and straight. The riders get to the first intermediate sprint at Klin, perhaps best known for the Tchaikovsky House-Museum, in the composer's former residence, and then turn onto the smaller roads that will characterize the stage. For the most part, roads are fine, however the tarmac is heavy and wearing, and so riders will feel it by the end of the day, as while the amount of categorizable ascent is very small, the stage is very rolling, with lots of small or low-gradient rises and falls that will have an effect by the end of the day (hence the length). Аfter the second intermediate sprint in Yakhroma, home of a set of small ski slopes, the riders have a looping route around the banks of the Канал Имени Москвы (Moscow Canal), including the most authentic climb of the race so far, the Amstel-Gold-like dig into Ilyinskoye, and a second, more gradual climb, before the final intermediate sprint in the sizable city of Dmitrov, just outside the Borisoglebsky Monastery.

With 45km still remaining, I do not expect any moves to be made with any great seriousness on the classified climbs today. There is a further climb, a drag of a 3km "ascent" out of Dmitrov, but then it's all rolling once more. There are some quite sizable drags but not at any really dangerous gradients. However, with 200km - and a lot of difficult tarmac - in the legs, sprinters may not be at 100% for the run-in, and with the length of the stage and the long transfer, domestique power may be weakened a bit if the pace has been high. In addition to this, though once more the roads are very wide, favouring the bunch over the late attacker, the final 300m are uphill at around 6-7% - I haven't categorised these - so it may not be one for the pure power men, and instead this is probably one for the likes of Alexander Kristoff or John Degenkolb - true hardmen sprinters. The finish is outside another incredible historic site, this time the awe-inspiring Trinity Lavra of St. Sergius (you can see the finish on the right of that photo). This alternative view lets you see the slightly uphill gradient that will make the finish a bit more complex as well... the days for the sprinters are numbered now, so they might want to work as hard as they can to take their chance.

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Here's me about to move onto a stage race, when I still need to present the Road Race of my Lyon Worlds. So here it is:

World Championship Road Race Circuit - Lyon

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Climbs:
Montée Minimes Theatres Romains
Montée de l'Observance
Montée des Esses
Montée de la Rochette
Montée des Clemenceau
Montée de la Boucle

Lap Distance = 33.8kms
Junior Women: 2 laps (67.6kms)
Under 23 Men: 5 laps (169.0kms)
Junior Men: 4 laps (135.2kms)
Elite Women: 4 laps (135.2kms)
Elite Men: 8 laps (270.4kms)

Rather than starting at the Parc de Parilly and finishing on the Avenue de Marechel Foch, they will start in where the Fan zone has been for the last few days. This is the Place de Terreaux. They will then ride from the square, down to the Rhone and cross the river. Then they will ride into the Fan zone at the Parc de la Tete d'Or From here they will ride down to the Avenue de Marechel Foch. Once they are there, they will head along the dead straight road down to the Cours Gambetta. From here they will cross the river and head through the Place Bellecour which will be a Fan zone now that the Place de Terreaux has been taken over by the podium and items for the finish. Once they have been there, they shall then head across another river that flows into the Rhone at that fork in Lyon. They will then turn left after coming off the Bridge and head for the first climb of the day. This is the Montee de la Minimes Theatres Romains. Then they will desend back to the river bank on a rather narrow and dangerous descent, ready to climb the Mont?e de l'Observance as used in the Criterium du Dauphine of 2014. After that they will ride across the La Saone river ready to climb the over used Montée des Esses or the Croix-Rousse if you like. The riders will once again descend down to the river bank and have about three kilometres until the bottom of the next little climb. The Montée de la Rochette is the steepest of the climbs on this course and also the narrowest. But after that, they shall have have a short period at the top of this hill before descending down to the La Saone. After a very short while where it would be impossible for groups split on the climb and descent to get back on, the riders are once again climbing but this time its the slightly easier Montée des Clemenceau. Following this there will be a bit of respite with some flat after another descent back to the river. This time the Rhone. Then comes the final climb of the circuit. This is the Montée de la Boucle. Now the riders will have a long easy descent back to the finish at the Place de Terreaux. However the final few kms are quite technical with no less than six ninety degree turns.

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The thing is with Lyon is that it has all sorts of possibilities for routes with the abundance of climbs in and around the city.
 
Anyway, now that I've finished my worlds courses I shall crack on with presenting my Paris - Nice route. It won't be perfect but I have tried to make it as selective as possible (or what I would class as selective).

Paris - Nice Stage 1 (TT) Boulogne-Billancourt - Versaille (14.147km)

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KOMs:
Rue de la Garenne 0.8kms @ 7% Cat 4

Primes:
None (TT)

Timing Splits:
Rue de la Garenne

So we the start of the whole race is at the Paris Saint Germain football stadium (Parc de Princes) or as in the cycling world is widely known as the site of the old Parc de Princes Velodrome until General de Gaulle ordered the track demolished in the late 1960s. They will then head out onto the Avenue Edouard Vaillant to the river. At this point the rider will carry on in a straight line all the way to Sevres. This is where we start the climb for the first KOM points of the race. This is also a timing split so the fastest at the split will be the weare of the KOM jersey. We will then descend down to Chaville where we will rejoin the main road. From here it is just straight line to the finish apart form a kink with 1.5kms to go. They will finish in the Place d'Armes outside the Palais de Versailles.

Start (Boulogne-Billancourt):
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Finish (Palais de Versailles Versailles):
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I think I have an ̶u̶n̶f̶i̶n̶i̶s̶h̶e̶d̶ unpublished 2nd half of a Tour that needs to be done, but instead I have created this nice stage in the Vosges that I would very much like to see happening. It could very well come after a stage finishing on La Planche des Belles Filles (with Chevr?res beforehand like last year, but coming from the south instead of north and as such will probably have to transfer towards the next mountain range on the restday after this stage unless it's at the end of the third week).
Belfort -> Colmar (198km)

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km 34: Col du Ballon de Servance (1)
km 62: Col du Ballon-d'Alsace (1)
km 93: Col du Hundsr?ck (3)
km 117: Le Grand-Ballon (1)
km 124: Le Markstein (Intermediate sprint)
km 148: Le Petit-Ballon (2)
km 166: Col de Firstplan (2)
km 183: C?te des Cinq Chateaux (2) (no profile was found of the south side, but it has 1 km of ~13%, it was the side they descended last year)

The only previously unused road is a part of the Petit-Ballon descent, but it's quite similar to the side they climbed last year. I guess that they could climb Grand-Ballon from Moosh when they could climb Petit-Ballon last year, but I think it's fine with the 'safe' side. Originally I had included Trois-?pis after Cinq Chateaux, but it only made a small difference as to the distance from the last climb to the finish, so I think it's better without it. I hope it's a design that will allow GC riders to (successfully) attack and also for real action to happen already on Grand-Ballon. I certainly don't hope that 8km of flat after the last descent (without any MTF or ITT the next day) is too much to scare the contenders from attacking. I also thought about making a stage finishing at Le Markstein, but that will be another day.
 
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Oesterreich-Rundfahrt

Stage 1: Vienna - Vienna; 207km
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My Oesterreich-Rundfahrt starts with 10 laps on a 20,7km lon circuit in Vienna, the overall altitude gain will be 2.500m.
The challenging part of the race is the short climb up to the Jubil?umswarte,
3,2km at 5,3% with a short 10% steep ramp.
It shouldn't be the most challenging race, but in the end it should go to a well rounded sprinter. I know, it's not the most exciting way to start a race, but at least it is not the stupid final parade stage that they have every year.
The race starts in the eastern part of Austria and goes westwards, it will have a few hilly stages, 2 MTF, a medium length ITT to balance things out and one stage for the sprinters that will be a nice "rest day" for the GC guys after the ITT and right before the first very hard MTF.
If the Oesterreich-Rundfahrt would bother to change the route every year it could be a really nice race, the only problem would be that at the same time you have the big circus in France.
I think an interesting Oesterreich-Rundfahrt should be in early August, it could be a nice preparation race for the Vuelta, some real climbing at high altitude could be a great training.
 
Library post

Fantasy versions of other Europe Tour Stage Races (France, Spain, Portugal & Italy)

Giro del Trentino: Stage 1 Stage 2 Stage 3 Stage 4 (Libertine Seguros)

Giro del Trentino: Stage 1 Stage 2 Stage 4 (Mayomaniac)

Tour Méditerranéen: version 1 Stage 1 Stage 2 Stage 3 Stage 4a Stage 4b version 2 Stage 1a Stage 1b Stage 2a Stage 2b Stage 3 Stage 4a Stage 4b (Lupetto)

Volta a Portugal (GT version): Stage 1 Stage 2 Stage 3 Stage 4 Stage 5 Stage 6 Stage 7 Stage 8 Stage 9 Stage 10 Stage 11 Stage 12 Stage 13 Stage 14 Stage 15 Stage 16 Stage 17 Stage 18 Stage 19 Stage 20 Stage 21 (Libertine Seguros)

Volta a Portugal (normal version): Prologue Stage 1 Stage 2 Stage 3 Stage 4 Stage 5 Stage 6 Stage 7 Stage 8 Stage 9 Stage 10 (Libertine Seguros)

More will be added here as they are posted. All library posts are linked from the first post in this thread.
 
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Oesterreich-Rundfahrt

Stage 2 Greidenstein - Altenberg an der Rax; 177km
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The 2nd stage of the ?sterreichrudfahrt will be a hilly stage, not to hard but with an uphill finish on the Lohmweg in Altenberg an der Rax, 12,km at 8,3% with the first 300m at 14,5%
The other climbs are
km 3.29: 3,4km at 5%
km 33,7: 1,6km at 4,9%
km 49,3: 1,2km at 5,8%
km 53,5: 4,7km at 4%
km 72: 5,3km at 4,1%
km 93: 3,4km at 4,9%
km 120: 6,4km at 4,2%
km 141: 6,2km at 6,8%
km 158: Preiner Gscheid; 7,1km at 5,8%
This stage should end in an uphill sprint and be the first small test for the gc guys, even if the stage obviously isn't hard enough to separate the contenders from the pretenders.
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Oesterreich-Rundfahrt

Stage 3 Muerzzuschlag - Katsch an der Mur; 209km
The last 197km
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Another hilly stage, this could go to the breakaway
the climbs:
Praebichl, 6,2km at 6,5%
Kaiserau 5,8km at 7,1%
Triebener Tauern 9,6km at 5,7km but with a few parts of false flat, the first 1,5km have an average gradient of 16% and the final part of the climb has a 12% steep ramp
Hocheggersattel 7km at 7,3% with a max of 13%
Hinterburg 4,3km at 6% with 400m at 9%
after the final climb of the day the riders will descent down to Katsch an der Mur, with the ITT on the next day this stage could go to the breakaway, the GC riders will try to save some energy for the next day but it still should be fun to watch. The steep ramp that you see on the profile between the first and the 2nd climb is just a tunnel.
 
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Oesterreich-Rundfahrt

Stage 4 Katsch an der Mur - Judenburg; 37km ITT
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A flat ITT to balance thing out and that should force the climbers to attack on the 2 brutal mountain stages, I think they should be hard enough to create big gaps, so you need a decent medium length ITT, if the real ?sterreich-Rundfahrt has a 25km long ITT this one definitely needs a longer one.
There aren't many technical corners so it should be a pure power test.
The finish line will be on the Burggasse in Judenburg.
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Mayomaniac said:
Stage 1: Vienna - Vienna; 207km
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My Oesterreich-Rundfahrt starts with 10 laps on a 20,7km lon circuit in Vienna, the overall altitude gain will be 2.500m.
The challenging part of the race is the short climb up to the Jubil?umswarte,
3,2km at 5,3% with a short 10% steep ramp.
It shouldn't be the most challenging race, but in the end it should go to a well rounded sprinter. I know, it's not the most exciting way to start a race, but at least it is not the stupid final parade stage that they have every year.
The race starts in the eastern part of Austria and goes westwards, it will have a few hilly stages, 2 MTF, a medium length ITT to balance things out and one stage for the sprinters that will be a nice "rest day" for the GC guys after the ITT and right before the first very hard MTF.
If the Oesterreich-Rundfahrt would bother to change the route every year it could be a really nice race, the only problem would be that at the same time you have the big circus in France.
I think an interesting Oesterreich-Rundfahrt should be in early August, it could be a nice preparation race for the Vuelta, some real climbing at high altitude could be a great training.


Yeah. It should also be World Tour even if that means Poland (as thats more boring than the Eneco Tour) will have to have their natiomal tour at a different time that isn't a world tour race (1/2.HC).
 
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Stage 5: Judenburg - Seeboden, 167km
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This should be a stage for the breakaway, it features the first really hard climb of the race, Hochrindl from Kaindorf, 8,9km at 9,1% with a max gradient of 17% but the climb starts 50km before the finish line, so we won't see any GC relevant action. Other than that you have a short climb up to Perchau am Sattel 6,6km at 4% at the start of the race and the climb from Dellach to Lammersdorf, 3,1km at 5,6%, followed by a gentle descent to Seeboden that really is just a false flat.
This stage could also end with a reduced sprint, but with the hard climb in the middle of the stage and a brutal MTF on the next day nobody shoud bother to bring the breakaway back.
I've thought about making Hochrindl a MTF, but i think 3 MTF would be to much and with a brutal high mountain stage on the next day nobody would attack if it would be a descent finish. I know, it's not a perfect stage but if you look at the whole race it makes sense to have something like this between the ITT and the first high mountain stage.
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Oesterreich-Rundfahrt

Stage 6: Spittal an der Drau - Franz Joseph Hoehe 224km
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This is the first high mountain stage and just like the second one it is hard enough to be a GT queenstage.
The stage starts in Spittal an der Drau and after 4km the first small climb of the day starts, Trefflinger Stra?e, 8,2km at 4,5%.
Then after the descent and 17km of false flat Katschberghoehe, 6km at 8,4% with a max gradient of 18% and multiple over 15% steep ramps, the first 2,4km of the climb are pretty easy, but the remaining 3,6km have an average gradient of 11%.
The next climb of the day is the Radst?dter Tauernpass, the first part is just false flat, the second consists of 8km at 6,3%.
The next climb of the day is Dientner Sattel, 16,1km at 5,1%, but another irrigular climb with a max of 15% and 3km at 10%.
Right after the descent another smal climb, Embach 5,6km at 6,3%.
All those climbs and the length of the stage should make a big difference when the riders finally hit the monster of the day Hochtor from Fusch:
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24 kms @ 6.9% with the hardest km right at the beginning that should quickly dispose of the remaining domestiques. If someone wants to gain some time he should attack before Fuscher T?rl, from Fusch to Fuscher Toerl you have 21,4km at 8,3%, the remaining km to Hochtor after the short descent aren't hard enough to make a big difference.
Then after a 8km long descent the final climb of the day starts, Franz-Josephs-Hoehe, 8km at 6,3% with the finish at high altitude on 2369m. This is a great combination, a brutal monster at high altitute after a wholeday of climbing followed by an easier final climb that will only increase the gaps between the riders en encurage them to attack on the penultimate climb and with over 5500m of altitude gain ant the stage being 224km long we could see huge gaps, the climbs on the beginning with their multiple steep ramps will make a difference when the Hochtor climb starts. I'd love to see the Hochtor - Franz Josephs Hoehe combination in a real race.
 
I personally believe Austria is in the best place it can be. Move it to early August, and you have the problem that Vuelta tuneup riders will probably still do the Vuelta a Burgos, which is the traditional tune-up the same as Trentino or the Dauphin?, and it will clash with Poland which is WT and will take a lot of other riders. You then have the issue of the US races competing for riders too. The only way would be to swap it with Poland on the calendar imo.

Personally, I think Austria is in the right place on the calendar (although should perhaps go on the second week of the Tour rather than the first, to capitalise on the quiet break-stages in mid-Tour), it's just not making itself unique enough or challenging enough to be what it should be, which is more than just a consolation prize for the riders not selected for the Tour. It should be the first real marker for Giro riders resting before a crack at the Vuelta, or possibly as a step between Avenir and WT GC shots. Are you ready for a tilt at the Tour GC? Prove it by recovering well in the brutal mountains of Austria.

I love how Dientner Sattel is over 16km in length and looks like a barely consequential bump compared to the Glockner.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
I personally believe Austria is in the best place it can be. Move it to early August, and you have the problem that Vuelta tuneup riders will probably still do the Vuelta a Burgos, which is the traditional tune-up the same as Trentino or the Dauphin?, and it will clash with Poland which is WT and will take a lot of other riders. You then have the issue of the US races competing for riders too. The only way would be to swap it with Poland on the calendar imo.

Personally, I think Austria is in the right place on the calendar (although should perhaps go on the second week of the Tour rather than the first, to capitalise on the quiet break-stages in mid-Tour), it's just not making itself unique enough or challenging enough to be what it should be, which is more than just a consolation prize for the riders not selected for the Tour. It should be the first real marker for Giro riders resting before a crack at the Vuelta, or possibly as a step between Avenir and WT GC shots. Are you ready for a tilt at the Tour GC? Prove it by recovering well in the brutal mountains of Austria.

I love how Dientner Sattel is over 16km in length and looks like a barely consequential bump compared to the Glockner.

I would swap it with Poland, but I also like your idea, the big problem would be media coverage and exposure, a race that takes part durning the TdF will always have a hard time attracting sponsors and getting a decent coverage.
Yes, Glockner is a real monster. :)
 
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Oesterreich-Rundfahrt

Stage 7 Nikolsdorf - Klausen; 167km
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This is the only stage that finishes outside of Austria, but the next stage starts in the same area.
The race starts in Nikolsdorf and after 16 km the riders will meet the first 2 climbs of the day, 2 climbs of the Pustertaler H?henstra?e, the first one is Bannber, 6,6km at 8,5% and the second one after Assling, 4,5km at 8,2% with a short 19% steep ramp.
The next 40km are more of a false flat then the next climb will be from Welsberg through Taisten until the riders will arrive on the Gratschstrasse, 6km at 5%.
After another short steep descent and 15km of false flat the next climb starts, the Sonnenstrasse from Ehrenburg, 8,4km at 5,5%.
The penultimate climb up to Natz is short and not too hard, 1,8km at 4,8%, but the descent down to Brixen is pretty technical.
The final climb of the day is 5km at 6,8% with multipe short ramps that are over 11% speed and is followd by a descent that isn't very hard, but still has 3 tricky haipins.
The final 4 km are flat and will bring the rider to Klausen.
This should be another stage for the breakaway, maybe one of the GC riders could try to attack on the last km of the final climb to create a gap, try to extend the gap on the descent and be able to mantain the gap on the final 4km but most likely they'll already think about the final mountain stage.
 
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Oesterreich-Rundfahrt

Stage 8 Waidbruck - Rettenbachferner; 196km
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The stage starts right away with the first climb of the Day, Ritten from Waidbruck, 12km at 6% but it is nothing but a nice warm-up if you look at the next climbs:
Passo di Pennes/ Penser Joch 45km at 4,2%, with last 8km at 8,5%
Passo di Monte Giovo/Jaufenpass 15km at 7,5%
Passo Rombo/Timmelsjoch 29km at 6,2%
and the final monster of the day, the Oetzaler Gletscherstrasse/Rettenbachferner with 12,1km at 10,7%.
With over 6780m of altitude gain, lots of climbing at high altitude and a final climb that is a monster at high altitude, Libertine called in a Mortirolo at high altitude in his awesome Discovering Austria thread, we could have huge gaps at the finish line, if someone feels good he could use his team to stet a high pace on the early climbs so that everyone else will already be tired and half dead when the final climb starts.
I think this should be a great race, the ITT should be long enough to force the climbers to attack on the 2 high mountain stages.
 
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Stage 8 Waidbruck - Rettenbachferner; 196km
I once designed a giro that had this exact same stage in it. It's so brutal I would love to see it happen for real.
 
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quiqui said:
I once designed a giro that had this exact same stage in it. It's so brutal I would love to see it happen for real.

Yes, it would be great, snowfall could be a problem but that would be bad luck, there have been enough Giro stages at high altitude without bad weather, the Stelvio stage in 2012 or the or when they used Agnello in 2007.
 
This time it's a stage leaving the Alpes and I think it'd be very good as the final mountain stage in a Tour. Although it has the most vertical gain since the epic Sestriere stage in '92 (not to mention vertical loss!), its HC climbs are only borderline and with the last mountain being 47km from the finish, I don't think it'll block the stages prior to this one. It could very well follow a stage ending on Risoul or Les Orres like the similar stage from 1973.

Barcelonnette -> Menton (228km)

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km 19: Col d'Allos (HC) - 17km @ 6.5% - 2247m
km 53: Col des Champs (1st) - 12km @ 7.0% - 2090m
km 93: Col de Valberg (1st) - 12.2km @ 7.1% - 1673m
km 145: Col de Saint-Martin (1st) - 16.4km @ 6.2% - 1503m
km 181: Col de Turini (HC) - 15.1km @ 7.3% - 1604m
km 212: Col de Castillon (2nd) - 6.7km @ 5.4% - 707m

Coming after the other mountain stages in the Alpes or at the very end of a Tour, the GC should be somewhat settled and contenders not in yellow should see this as an opportunity to take the yellow jersey after having failed to do so on regular mtfs and tts. The hard start with the Allos/Champs combo should make the legs decide the break of the day. Time to seal the polka dot with an epic raid ? la Virenque/Rasmussen? Whatever is left of 'fresh' teammates should be send up the road. There's not much flat in this stage and organizing a chase (especially if only by the defending team) will be very tough. Valberg and Saint-Martin will drain everyone before the showdown on Turini. It might be with 47km still to go, but with the difficulty behind, the difficulty of the climb and the more or less technical descents ahead, there's no excuse for not attacking. Only the fewest and strongest doms will have any impact on the race from now on and as such there won't be much of an advantage to what's left of the peloton. Gaps on the top of Turini should be similar to those of a hard mtf, so there's no use in sitting up, instead it's a mano a mano (or trio a trio perhaps?) chase down to Menton. Castillon is a small interruption and quite easy, but after so much even that will be enough for riders to distance one another. The final descent is fairly technical until 3km to go, so hopefully any attack (uphill of downhill) will stick.

What do you think? Will a stage like this (if it's the final mountain stage and the following stage is flat) see real action between the main contenders? Do you think it's logistically realistic to have in the Tour?

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Netserk said:
What do you think? Will a stage like this (if it's the final mountain stage and the following stage is flat) see real action between the main contenders? Do you think it's logistically realistic to have in the Tour?
If the GC is still open, I don't see why there should not be real action.

Realistic? Only if you brainwash all ASO staff.
 
Eshnar said:
If the GC is still open, I don't see why there should not be real action.

Realistic? Only if you brainwash all ASO staff.

Logistically realistic? I am fully aware that such awesomeness will never see the light of day.

You don't think there will be action if 1st is secured? (like if it was the last mountain stage in either '12, '13 or '14)
 
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Logistically realistic?

You don't think there will be action if 1st is secured? (like if it was the last mountain stage in either '12, '13 or '14)
I don't see what the potential logistic problems could be, tbh. Looks perfectly legit.

If 1st is secured, depends on the presence of ambitious riders (very rare specimens nowadays)