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Stage 15 - Chapala - Chapala - 224km:

Map and Profile

The day before the rest day, we move to Chapala for stage 15, a stage that takes the peloton around Lago de Chapala, Mexico's largest freshwater lake. For logistic reasons, the peloton ca stay in Guadalajara, and Chapala isn't that far away. Chapala's main claim to fame is that Tennessee Williams based himself there to work on the play The Poker Night which later became known as A Streetcar Named Desire.

Today's stage has a real Classic feel to it, with a lot of up and down and undulating climbs throughout the stage. The peloton will pass through Ajijic, 5kmfrom the finish, where much of the American and Canadian expats are based, where no doubt a lot of attacks will take place. If you're a Classics guy, then this is the stage for you.

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Torino - Bruxelles || Stage 7, Luxembourg - Sprimont, 227 km

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Climbs
La Folie (Cat.3, 474m) 3,3 km @ 3,3%
Les Forges Chevron (Cat.3, 335m) 0,75 km @ 11,1%
Côte de Xhierfomont (Cat.3, 360m) 3 km @ 5,7%
L'Ancienne Barrière (Cat.3, 491m) 4,8 km @ 5%
Côte des Hezalles (Cat.3, 374m) 1 km @ 12%
Côte de Wanne (Cat.3, 495m) 2,7 km @ 7,3%.
Côte de Stockeu (Cat.3, 405m) 1 km @ 12,2%
Côte de Hédomont (Cat.3, 488m) 2,7 km @ 5,9%
Côte de la Ferme Libert (Cat.2, 508m) 1,2 km @ 12,8%
Côte d'Amermont (Cat.2, 507m) 1,6 km @ 9,1%
Col du Rosier (Cat.2 , 556m) 4,5 km @ 5,7%
Côte de la Redoute (Cat.2, 292m) 1,7 km @ 9,5%

After the longest stage yesterday, it is time for three consecutive days of GC action.
On this first day, we will take on some classic Ardennes terrain in a way it wasn't used before. Of course we know a lot of these climbs and roads, they are iconic to the world of cycling. However they will be raced complete differently on this stage. Like at Liège - Bastogne - Liège the first part of this race is there to heat up the legs a bit. After leaving the country of Luxembourg, the race heads north, but stays in the border region. Also like in the legendary one day race, Bastogne marks a turning point for the race and things will heat up from here. During World War II Bastogne and the region were heavily destroyed in the Battle of the Bulge. In Baraque Fraiture the highest point of today's stage will be reached after false flat section of 14 kilometers. Then the road goes slightly downhill to Les Forges, where the stage profile changes into a jigsaw.
The first climb of this second part of the stage is a short ascent to the village of Chevron. The climb is only 750 meters long, but offers two ramps. The first one is 200 meters long with slopes from 18 to 21%, the second one brings us another 200 meters of 13 to 15%.
Next up is Côte de Xhierfomont, also known from Tilff–Bastogne–Tilff. Here we have climbing between 5 and 8%. We can consider this also a the first part of the climb up to L'Ancienne Barrière, because after a mini descent the climbing continues. Almost 5 kilometers of steady 5% climbing. From here we descend over Côte de Brume into Trois-Ponts. Once again there is no time for a rest, since the riders go for Côte des Hezalles immediately. Another short, but hard climb with ramps up to 23% on some really narrow streets. This nasty little climb is a real beast, also because after only 2 kilometers of downhill we will go for the well known Côte de Wanne. We all know this difficult climb and combined with Hezalles, this will rip the peloton to pieces. Like in L-B-L we descend down to Stavelot to tackle the next climb, which is Côte de Stockeu. Of course there is no time to pay hommage to the greatest of all times. From Stockeu there are still 67 kilmeters to go.
With Côte de Hédomont the final 60 kilmeters are about to start. The climb starts in Bellevaux and over Ronxhy we go for the summit over another small road. Most of the climb is done at 5%, but there are some stings of 9-10%. Then we will descend down into Malmedy, which is known among other things for its 20% German speakers. From Malmedy we have a few kilometers to Bévercé from where the peloton climbs Côte de la Ferme Libert. Another irregular shorty with some sinister stings up to 22%. Next stop after Chevneux is Côte d'Amermont. The Chemin d'Amermont is a more difficult alternative to Haute-Levée. The first part of this climb is really hard with gradients up to 20%. The second part is a little flatter and over false flat Haute-Levée the race heads down to Ruy, the climb up the Col du Rosier awaits. With the distance in mind (legs) and the two nasty climbs before Rosier, this climb is really hard. It is long and especially the first two kilometers aren't easy at all. After the descent and Côte du Maquisard, the riders will tackle the final climb of the day. La Redoute lost a bit of its reputation in the last years due to route changes at L-B-L , but as a final climb after 220 kilometers this will hurt like hell a will create some bigger gaps to what is left of the peloton. Then it is only 3 kilmeters to the finish line.

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Lupetto said:
Torino - Bruxelles || Stage 7, Luxembourg - Sprimont, 227 km

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Climbs
La Folie (Cat.3, 474m) 3,3 km @ 3,3%
Les Forges Chevron (Cat.3, 335m) 0,75 km @ 11,1%
Côte de Xhierfomont (Cat.3, 360m) 3 km @ 5,7%
L'Ancienne Barrière (Cat.3, 491m) 4,8 km @ 5%
Côte des Hezalles (Cat.3, 374m) 1 km @ 12%
Côte de Wanne (Cat.3, 495m) 2,7 km @ 7,3%.
Côte de Stockeu (Cat.3, 405m) 1 km @ 12,2%
Côte de Hédomont (Cat.3, 488m) 2,7 km @ 5,9%
Côte de la Ferme Libert (Cat.2, 508m) 1,2 km @ 12,8%
Côte d'Amermont (Cat.2, 507m) 1,6 km @ 9,1%
Col du Rosier (Cat.2 , 556m) 4,5 km @ 5,7%
Côte de la Redoute (Cat.2, 292m) 1,7 km @ 9,5%

After the longest stage yesterday, it is time for three consecutive days of GC action.
On this first day, we will take on some classic Ardennes terrain in a way it wasn't used before. Of course we know a lot of these climbs and roads, they are iconic to the world of cycling. However they will be raced complete differently on this stage. Like at Liège - Bastogne - Liège the first part of this race is there to heat up the legs a bit. After leaving the country of Luxembourg, the race heads north, but stays in the border region. Also like in the legendary one day race, Bastogne marks a turning point for the race and things will heat up from here. During World War II Bastogne and the region were heavily destroyed in the Battle of the Bulge. In Baraque Fraiture the highest point of today's stage will be reached after false flat section of 14 kilometers. Then the road goes slightly downhill to Les Forges, where the stage profile changes into a jigsaw.
The first climb of this second part of the stage is a short ascent to the village of Chevron. The climb is only 750 meters long, but offers two ramps. The first one is 200 meters long with slopes from 18 to 21%, the second one brings us another 200 meters of 13 to 15%.
Next up is Côte de Xhierfomont, also known from Tilff–Bastogne–Tilff. Here we have climbing between 5 and 8%. We can consider this also a the first part of the climb up to L'Ancienne Barrière, because after a mini descent the climbing continues. Almost 5 kilometers of steady 5% climbing. From here we descend over Côte de Brume into Trois-Ponts. Once again there is no time for a rest, since the riders go for Côte des Hezalles immediately. Another short, but hard climb with ramps up to 23% on some really narrow streets. This nasty little climb is a real beast, also because after only 2 kilometers of downhill we will go for the well known Côte de Wanne. We all know this difficult climb and combined with Hezalles, this will rip the peloton to pieces. Like in L-B-L we descend down to Stavelot to tackle the next climb, which is Côte de Stockeu. Of course there is no time to pay hommage to the greatest of all times. From Stockeu there are still 67 kilmeters to go.
With Côte de Hédomont the final 60 kilmeters are about to start. The climb starts in Bellevaux and over Ronxhy we go for the summit over another small road. Most of the climb is done at 5%, but there are some stings of 9-10%. Then we will descend down into Malmedy, which is known among other things for its 20% German speakers. From Malmedy we have a few kilometers to Bévercé from where the peloton climbs Côte de la Ferme Libert. Another irregular shorty with some sinister stings up to 22%. Next stop after Chevneux is Côte d'Amermont. The Chemin d'Amermont is a more difficult alternative to Haute-Levée. The first part of this climb is really hard with gradients up to 20%. The second part is a little flatter and over false flat Haute-Levée the race heads down to Ruy, the climb up the Col du Rosier awaits. With the distance in mind (legs) and the two nasty climbs before Rosier, this climb is really hard. It is long and especially the first two kilometers aren't easy at all. After the descent and Côte du Maquisard, the riders will tackle the final climb of the day. La Redoute lost a bit of its reputation in the last years due to route changes at L-B-L , but as a final climb after 220 kilometers this will hurt like hell a will create some bigger gaps to what is left of the peloton. Then it is only 3 kilmeters to the finish line.

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Sprimont
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Yep, this race would be a great edition. It would work well not as a WT race as you would get a wide mixture of WT and Pro Continental teams wanting to do this race as it would suit many of their riders attributes and sponsor demographics. Of course if it was given Wt status, hey there are worse races that have WT status.
 
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I've had a play around on ridewithgps, and I reckon you could do a 3 or 4 day stage race from Milan to San Remo and could get a solid parcours out of it. I suppose Giro Milano - San Remo would be an ideal name?
 
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craig1985 said:
I've had a play around on ridewithgps, and I reckon you could do a 3 or 4 day stage race from Milan to San Remo and could get a solid parcours out of it. I suppose Giro Milano - San Remo would be an ideal name?

Would be a pretty strange/confusing name in my opinion. Normally I'd say call it after the province it takes place in, but that's not really possible here ;)

But if you want to make a race like this then please do so, don't let a name hold you back :p


A Giro del Mezzogiorno would be an interesting idea to counter the Giro di Padania in the north. What do you guys think?
 
Tour of Three Islands

I'm starting new project. It's my first 3-week tour. For introduction, here are some basic facts:

7 stages in Sicilia, 7 stages in Sardinia, 7 stages in Corsica
2 ITT (total 79 km), 6 flat stages, 8 medium mountain stages, 5 high mountain stages
4 HTF, 3 MTF, 3 DF
Total distance: 3505 km, Longest stage: 225 km, Shortest stage: 161 km
3 "HC" climbs, 12 "1" climbs, 23 "2" climbs, 28 "3" climbs

Classifications:

GC: Time bonuses for each road stage 15-10-6 seconds.

KOM: Points for winning a mountain sprint:
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"1"_16-13-10-8-6-4-2-1
"2"_10-8-6-4-2-1
"3"_4-2-1

Points classification:
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Young rider classification
 
Tour of Three Islands - 1

Stage 1: Catania - Catania (ITT); 30 km

First stage and it's 30 km long time trial. After start in Catania, the route goes along the coast towards Acireale. There it turns round and riders will get back into Catania to award first yellow jersey holder.

Link

KOM:
Acireale (no category) - 4 km; 2,8%
Nizzetti (no category) - 2,5 km; 4,5%

Time-checks:
Aci Castello - 7 km
Acireale - 14 km
Nizzetti - 20 km

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Catania:
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Acireale:
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Tour of Three Islands - 2

Stage 2: Catania - Vittoria; 182 km

This stage is going through inland, but is copying the coast. There are some obstacles on the route, but nevertheless this stage is likely to end in a reduced bunch sprint. The last chance for a puncheur to ride away is only 1 km before finish line. This last little bump is 700 metres long at 8%. It will guarantee, that a pure sprinter has just a small chance to win today.

Link

KOM:
Monti Iblei (2) - 20 km; 4,1%
Palazzolo Acreide (3) - 3,5 km; 5,9%
Ragusa (3) - 8,4 km; 4,5%

Sprints:
Rosolini - 114 km
Comiso - 171 km

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Vittoria:
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Tour of Three Islands - 3

Stage 3: Vittoria - Agrigento; 165 km

This is classic flat stage with uphill sprint. It can be affected by wind, becuase second half of the stage is near the coast. Positioning will be important too since there are some turns at the beginning of the last hill. Additionally roads in the town (last kilometer) are quite narrow.

Link

KOM:
Agrigento (3) - 3,5 km; 5,7%

Sprints:
Caltagirone - 53 km
Gela - 93 km

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Tour of Three Islands - 4

Stage 4: Agrigento - Palermo; 188 km

Another relatively flat stage and finally there is flat finish as well. Riders will reach the Tyrrhenian Sea around 110th km and they won't get away from it from now on. They will get into Palermo already on 30 km to go. Last 2 km are technical with 5 corners. Last one is 600 metres before line. This 600 metres are slight uphill with 3%.

Link

KOM:
Valledolmo (3) - 6,7 km; 5,4%

Sprints:
Termini Imerese - 121 km
Palermo - 160 km

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Stage 17: Guillestre - Méribel-Mottaret, 205km

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Climbs:
Côte de Saint-Marguerite (cat.3) 4,3km @ 5,3%
Col du Galibier (HC) 36,3km @ 4,0%
Col de la Madeleine (HC) 19,3km @ 7,9%
Méribel-Mottaret (HC) 22,0km @ 5,9%

Points:
Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne (Rue Plan Pinay), 117km
Méribel-Mottaret, finish

Although this is probably the (second) most conventional stage in my Tour, using some of those well-known climbs that Prudhomme loves, it's still got something new for audiences to sink their teeth into; that's right, two big mountaintop finishes in the race so far, and two brand new summits never seen by the Tour. Actually, this may or may not be true; in 1973, stage 7b finished at Méribel-les-Allues. Les Allues is at 1433m, far below Mottaret, some 342m higher up. The winner of that 1973 stage was Bernard Thevenet, who just beat a star studded quartet behind him of Zoetemelk, Fuente, van Impe and eventual Tour champion Ocaña.

Whether you want to consider that Méribel-Mottaret is a brand new summit as the Tour has never gone this high up on the route, or a long-forgotten summit thanks to the climb to Les Allues in '73, is probably irrelevant however; it has long gone unnoticed sitting between Courchevel and (the also sadly underused) Val Thorens, but it has plenty of challenge all its own.

The main meat and drink of this stage will be familiar to most cycling aficionados. The transfer to Guillestre is short, and then the riders will face a 200km stage with three long, epic climbs to top. The stage starts in relatively benign fashion, with 20 flat kilometres and then the pretty unthreatening Côte de Saint-Marguerite to start us up. After this it's a long period of false flat as we roll into one of the Tour's most well-known stop-offs, the old walled town of Briançon.

After this point, the stage starts to turn into a proper Alpine stage par excellence, sending us over some of the most storied and historic climbs in the race's history. The Col du Lautaret is of course one of the most common climbs on the Tour's route these days, not because of its being especially difficult, but more because of its acting as a gateway from the south and east to Les-Deux-Alpes or, more predictably, Alpe d'Huez, or of course, in the same way it was used in the 2011 Tour, and the way that I am using it - as a gateway to The Col du Galibier. Combining the two climbs, Lautaret and Galibier, gives us pretty much an uninterrupted 36km of climbing, so those diesels had better get warmed up on those earlier, flatter slopes, before it gets steeper as we head up into the thin air at the high, isolated pass, the highest point visited on my Tour de France.

Of course, we've climbed the easier side of Galibier, so that means a long, difficult descent to come. On the plus side for the Schlecks, Basso and Menchov, it's so far to the finish nobody will attack. On the minus side, there's almost 40km of it, with only a short dig up the Col du Télégraphe to break it up. At the bottom of the descent we have 25km of downhill false flat, into which I have inserted the intermediate sprint, in Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne. After that, the road turns uphill again, and this time it's even more serious, for the La Chambre side of the Col de la Madeleine is one of France's toughest ascents; a punishing, relentless ascent of 19 kilometres averaging a painful 8%. In a world of overused, repetitive climbs in the Tour, the Madeleine stands out as one that is well-known, popular and still manages to not be used as often as it should. Its famous lacets lace (hehe) the hillside and delicately lay over wild, untamed country. It's a wilderness up here, but a wilderness inevitably invaded by thousands of crazed lunatics after a glimpse of the big stars of the world of cycling.

As this is the toughest climb of the day, it is perhaps the best place to launch an attack; I wouldn't expect one, however, for there are still 57km to go when the riders pass over the summit. However, I can well imagine a train of pain shelling much of the chaff, leaving us with a péloton shrunk to the bare essentials before the descent into Aigueblanche. This isn't such a challenging descent, so I would anticipate that the leaders' bunch gets together in one piece to the base of the final climb of the day, which starts 9km after the base of the descent from the Madeleine.

This profile of the Méribel-Mottaret climb begins from Moutiers, but we are considering the climb as starting in Brides-les-Bains; effectively this is exactly the same from the 4km mark on, but has two slightly tougher kilometres replacing that early, easy start on the Moutiers profile. As a trade off, there are a couple of extra pan-flat kilometres between the climbs. As you can see, the climb is not a killer; some difficult phases of 7% or so in the early running give way to a long period of consistent 5.8%; I would therefore expect any left-over hangers-on to be shelled in the early going, and then it will be cagey between the contenders on the way to Les Allues and Méribel village. After this it's a brief bit of flat before the climb ramps up to its steepest, the next two kilometres over 8%. If any decisive gaps are to be created by attacks today, then here is where it will happen, at the heart of the three valleys, as there are just four kilometres left when these are dispensed with, the last of these at a not-especially-threatening 4,4% as the riders wind their way through the ski village to the summit.

Overall, this is a difficult climbing stage, with three long, drawn-out climbs, but this is one designed for attrition rather than explosivity. I'm concerned that riders might race this one conservatively in view of the queen stage tomorrow, and so I've tried to keep it so that the climbers have opportunities to attack, but it's one where the diesels have plenty of opportunity to stay in contact as well; the climbers CAN really make a difference on this stage, but they will have to work hard - but if they do make those diesels go into the red, even if it doesn't work today they could reap the benefit tomorrow.

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Stage 16 - Saltillo - El Clavel - 105km:

Map and Prodile

After the 2nd rest day, which the peloton takes an airline transfer from Guadalajara to Saltillo in the state of Coahuila. which is 400km south of Texas and 90km west of Monterrey. Saltillo is located in the Chihuahuan desert at 1600m above sea level and in 2006 it was considered the best Mexican city to live in, and has the nicknames of The Athens of Mexico (from the early 20th century), The Detroit of Mexico (due to the fact that companies like Mercedes-Benz, General Motors have plants in Saltillo), and was founded in 1577 by Spanish colonists.

Today's stage to the small village of El Clavel is only a short one at 105km, but it's not one to be underestimated at all. It's not a MTF or an uphill finish, and if a break didn't win, then a small bunch sprint with the likes of Sagan being right up there. What will be the bits that make it hard is the fact that it's after the 2nd rest day and going into the 3rd week, fatigue starts to set in, plus the altitude and the fact that stage's distance isn't that long so the pace will be high with attacks going and the peloton not wanting them to get away. I don't think it would be surprising if some groups of dropped riders start to appear.

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Libertine Seguros said:
Sorry, I did mean to respond. I've answered that question a few times in the thread, I forget when I have and haven't.

I use mapmyride to draw the routes and image capture the profiles and maps. However, the longer the route, the bigger the distance between the markers and the less accurate their climb profiles, so I will seek out better information on the climbs in question, or map the climbs in isolation separately to get more accurate statistics.

I find MMR to be way more clustered for my liking, whereas with ridewithgps, I find everything tends to be out of the way a lot more, with the profile at the bottom, with the map directions to the left, but it doesn't list the mountain passes, I mapped a ride from Villar Perosa (near Pinerolo) to Alpe 'dHuez (Map and Profile), but it doesn't list the passes in the same MMR does, but with the page layout, I find it slightly annoying.
 
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Sunshine coast, loving my time away from Sydney

I agree. MMR is pretty good for general idea, but climb data ends up a little weird, I generally use google earth to sort more detailed climbs, but even then you'll get some strange data.

These routes for example, MMR makes all the climbs long an flat, I'm sure Craig1985 can vouch for the fact that they are not.

This is a one day race on the sunshine coast. Not sure which direction would be better, Noosa to Mooloolabaa, or Mooloolaba to Noosa. I've included both profiles and climb details. About 200km in length. Maybe a weekend derby, one each way ;)
Map
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Start Noosa
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Noted climbs
1. 50-54.33km at 5% max 13%
2. 59.55-64.82km at 4% max 9.7%
3. 76.46-77.6km at 9% max 13.4%
4. 102.38- 108km at 6.1% max 14.3%
5. 133-138.43km at 6.5% max 9.8%
6. 175-178.4km at 8% but in ramps of 1.4km, 250m and 450m


Start Mooloolaba
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Noted Climbs
1. 8-9.77km at 8%
2. 28-33.84km at 7.2% max 13.4%
3. 69-81km at 3.6% max 7% up and down a little rather than long and steady.
4. 101.6-107km at 7.1% max 14%
5. 117-120.45km at 5.6% max 14.4%
6. 123.56-126km at 3.6% max 8%
 
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Torino - Bruxelles || Stage 8, Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps (ITT), 34,1 km

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Climbs
Côte de Hédomont (Cat.3, 488m) 2,7 km @ 5,9%
Côte de la Haute-Levée (Cat.3, 508m) 3,6 km @ 5,6%

The second of three consecutive GC days might reopen the classification to the time trialists. However this is a very difficult time trial, that will be held on most parts of the old race circuit of Spa-Francorchamps. As you can see, this is a very hilly parcours with a lot of curvy parts. The time trial finishes on the pit lane of the newer and current race course.

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Tour of Three Islands - 5

Stage 5: Trabia - Santo Stefano di Camastra ; 195 km

Sure there was TT, but real GC battle begins today. After 25 km along the coast, riders wil have the first "HC" climb in front of them. From sea level they will climb to 1600 metres high Piano Battaglia (profile). This will for sure reduce the bunch. After 80 km of rolling terrain with some hills, cyclists will fall again to the sea level.
Those, who won't read the road book carefully, will be certainly suprised around 50 km to go, where the climb to village Tusa begins. The road isn't widest in the world and positioning will be very important. This is very tough climb and many riders will struggle here. Average gradient is almost 12%, but steepest slopes have gradients up to 24%. Descent is on significantly better road, but still quite technical.
Those, who managed to stay in the main group won't have much time to rest. Almost immediately after getting back to the sea, there is another climb on the way. First 5 km are nearly identical to previous climb (around 11% average), then the road flattens. It is another good place to attack, since from the top there are only 18 km to go, from which 15 km are downhill.

Link

KOM:
Piano Battaglia (HC) - 35 km; 4,6%
San Mauro Castelverde (2) - 8 km; 5,7%
Tusa (1) - 5 km; 11,4%
Motta d'Affermo (Monti Nebrodi) (1) - 10,5 km; 8,3%

Sprints:
Gangi - 93 km
Milianni - 145 km

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Santo Stefano di Camastra (somewhere on the bridge there is 3 km to go mark):
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Tour of Three Islands - 6

Stage 6: Acquedolci - Messina ; 172 km

Transfer stage with few hills, which aren't steep though. It gives chance to rest, since it is between two very tough stages and therefore might be given to some break.

Link

KOM:
Balsima (Capo Calavá) (2) - 5,5 km; 7%
Rometta (3) - 8,7 km; 5,2%
Portella Rizzo (2) - 9,6 km; 4,8%

Sprints:
Barcellona Pozzo di Gotto - 89 km
Villafranca Tirrena - 140 km

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craig1985 said:
I find MMR to be way more clustered for my liking, whereas with ridewithgps, I find everything tends to be out of the way a lot more, with the profile at the bottom, with the map directions to the left, but it doesn't list the mountain passes, I mapped a ride from Villar Perosa (near Pinerolo) to Alpe 'dHuez (Map and Profile), but it doesn't list the passes in the same MMR does, but with the page layout, I find it slightly annoying.
It's fair enough. MMR is far from perfect, it's just the one I'm most comfortable with. Different strokes for different folks, as they say; there's no right or wrong answer, it's just people keep asking me what I use to get my profiles! There are myriad programs out there, and all have their positives and negatives. I'd recommend people starting out mapping out rides try a few of them to see which suits them.
karlboss said:
I agree. MMR is pretty good for general idea, but climb data ends up a little weird, I generally use google earth to sort more detailed climbs, but even then you'll get some strange data.
I find the longer the route, the less accurate MMR's climb data is, because the reference points it uses become more spread out, so while the profile will be accurate (unless it has one of its spasms regarding tunnels or bridges and thinks the road goes direct over a mountain it cuts through or something) the figures it gives will not be, including part of the descent or some flat before it as part of the climb. Most of the time I don't use MMR's figures for the climbs in question, I find the climb profiles from elsewhere, if possible Altimetrias/APM - those guys are brilliant. If there is none available I will map the climb on its own in isolation to get a more accurate reading.
will10 said:
Love how Libertine's last stage has 80km of climbing and yet is not the queen stage :D
You just wait. You were worried about how the cobbles would put the climbers out of contention for good, but there's been about 81km of climbing in both stages 16 and 17, and the queen stage is still to come! There wasn't that much climbing in stage 10, but what climbing there was was brutal.
Lupetto said:
Torino - Bruxelles || Stage 8, Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps (ITT), 34,1 km
Spa-Francorchamps, as well as being a great racing circuit, is a great spot for racing. I approve of this time trial. A shame you couldn't include the Masta Kink in having to go back on yourself to include Hédomont, but that's a properly good time trial there.
togo95 said:
Stage 6: Acquedolci - Messina ; 172 km
Are we to anticipate given the direction with which you've headed around the island, that week 1 is to end with some volcano action? After all, you've investigated a lot of terrain little-known to the sport so far, so you're entitled to a bit of predictability here and there :)