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Stage 8: L'Aquila - Perugia 189km

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189km Perugia 2.5km @ 8.3%

Another day of rolling climbs before a Murito finish.

Stage 9: Perugia - Empoli 190km

A few small hills but too far from the finish to stop a bunch sprint.

Rest Day 1 Empoli - Genoa

Stage 10: Genoa - Cuneo 148km

Short day before we hit the mountains, the last opportunity for the sprinters for some time.

Stage 11: Cunego - Saluzzo 145km

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49km Colla della Fauniera 24.7km @ 7.0%
92km Colle di Sampeyre 17.8km @ 7.6%

Big+++ climbs and a 50km run to the finish interrupted by a little hill.

Stage 12: Pinerolo - Piamprato 162km

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162km Piamprato 23km @ 4.6%

A couple of earlier climbs but all attention will be on the big finish.

Stage 13: Cuorgne - Omegna 184km

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Rest Day 2

Stage 14: Omegna - Bergamo 213km

Long flat stage which skirts around Milan.

Stage 15: Bergamo - St. Moritz (SUI) 184km

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162km Passo del Bernina 17.5km @ 7.5%

Longest mountain stage of the race, and a convenient finish.

Stage 16: Bormio - Passo Croce Domini 182km

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26km Passo Gavia 25.6km @ 5.5%
51km Passo del Tonale 10.9km @ 5.9%
93km Campo Carlo Mango 15.2km @ 6.0%
182km Passo Croce Domini 11.7km @ 6.5%

The legendary Gavia climbed for the first time, the finish is only 2/3 of the way up Croce Domini.

Stage 17: Edolo - Passo Gavia 96km

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17km Monte Padrio 9.4km @ 9.8%
52km Mortirolo 11.8km @ 11.0%
96km Passo Gavia 17.3km @ 7.9%

Because doing a climb only once is never enough, you have to do the other side a day later!

Stage 18: Bordiana - Brescia 177km

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165km Maddalena 4.8km @ 12.0%

Final chance for the climbers to take some time ahead of the TT.

Stage 19: Brescia - Cremona ITT 49km

Straight and flat.

Stage 20: Cremona - Milan 160km

Many laps of a dangerous circuit.
 
I thought that was the ASO's express goal?

SHP - I think that the Bola del Mundo doubling-back-on-oneself worked because most of the fans were on the Bola bit, and Navacerrada is fairly wide and safe to descend, but having riders descending the side of Stelvio where all the fans will be, waiting for them to pass on the way up a couple of hours later, could result in absolute chaos.

Stage 5: Llao Llao - San Carlos de Bariloche, 157km

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Climbs:
Mirador del Virgén del Lago Moreno (cat.3) 0,9km @ 7,3%
Mirador del Virgén del Lago Moreno (cat.3) 0,9km @ 7,3%
Mirador del Virgén del Lago Moreno (cat.3) 0,9km @ 7,3%
Mirador del Virgén del Lago Moreno (cat.3) 0,9km @ 7,3%
Alto del Barrio Belgrano (cat.3) 1,8km @ 5,6%
Alto del Barrio Belgrano (cat.3) 1,8km @ 5,6%
Alto del Barrio Belgrano (cat.3) 1,8km @ 5,6%

The final stage of our trip to the Patagonian Andes is not ceremonial, but is a bit lighter on climbing than its predecessors, staying mostly along the stretch of land on the banks of Lago Nahuel Huapi between Bariloche and the Puerto Pañuelo, known to locals as "the kilometres", since addresses tend to note how many kilometres down the road from Bariloche the residents are. The official start of the stage is Llao Llao, a village at the west of the lake known primarily for the dramatic and scenic Grand Hotel, situated on a narrow strip of land separating Lago Nahuel Huapi from Lago Moreno.

For most of the stage the riders will circle the Circuito Chico, an approximately 25km loop encircling Lago Moreno, linking Llao Llao with the Cerro Campanario and the charming alpine-style village of Colonia Suiza. This circuit is full of little leg-breakers and twista and turns, continually going up and down with next to no respite, although only one section, from the narrow strip of land separating Lago Moreno from Lago Perito Moreno to the Mirador del Virgén, is worth categorising. This short climb averages around 7-8% for just under a kilometre but gets over 10% in places.

After four laps of this circuit, the riders then travel through "the kilometres" along the long lakeside highway known as Avenida Ezequiel Bustillo. This takes us past a number of sights such as Puerto Pireu, alpine shops, Puerto Petunia, and traditional housing in the small villages and towns like Villa Nahuel Malal, and again the scenery steals the show.

The riders return to where the race started four days ago, crossing the finishing line next to the imposing cathedral in Bariloche to begin three final circuits of 13km, allowing us to circle Bariloche itself and including the short climb up to Barrio Belgrano that we saw yesterday, before descending back down to the lakefront to enjoy the run-in to the finish. This is a good tune-up for the Classics men, despite the scenery being more suited to the pure climbers, however with the final summit being 7km from the finish, this one could be finished solo, or a durable sprinter who's been able to withstand the constant up and down all day could find themselves in contact in the closing stages. While decisive gaps may not be created today, there are small increments of time to be made and lost if the GC guys have been going for it in the last three days.

Llao Llao:
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San Carlos de Bariloche:
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Ok, my first post in this thread. I have created a fantasy Giro d'Italia without using the Dolomites.

Olav's Giro d'Italia Fantasy tour

Some of the stages are split in two parts because the map engine doesn't allow longer routes than 200 km.

Stages:

Prologue: Agrigento: 9,8 km
Stage 1: Agrigento – Syracuse: 216 km
Stage 2: Catania – Catania (Mascalucia): 172 km
Stage 3: Reggio di Calabria – Vibo Valentia: 168 km
Stage 4: Catanzaro – Castrovillari: 232 km
Stage 5: Castrovillari – Potenza: 199 km
Stage 6: Potenza – Foggia: 186 km
Stage 7: Foggia – Roccaraso: 255 km
Stage 8: Perugia – Assisi: 56 km TT
Stage 9: Foligno – Monte Nerone: 200 km
Stage 10: Gubbio – Rimini 199 km
Stage 11: Rimini – Firenze: 182 km
Stage 12: Pistoia – Abetone: 175 km
Stage 13: La Spezia – Genova: 243 km
Stage 14: Genova – Salsomaggiore Terme: 218 km
Stage 15: Parma -Novara: 184 km
Stage 16: Novara – Stresa: 197 km
Stage 17: Biella – Monviso (Pian del Re): 188 km
Stage 18: Saluzzo – Sestriere: 231 km
Stage 19: Torino – Torino: 36 km TT
Stage 20: Torino – Milano: 163 km
 
A fantasy version of Paris-Nice.

Stage 1: Melun - Avallon, a 200km long stage with a hilly final, suited to the likes of Gilbert and Joaquin Rodriguez.

Stage 2: Montbard - Moulins, a 202km long stage with a hilly middle part, but a flat begin and end

Stage 3: Vichy - Vichy, a 30km long TT with two small hills in it. This may seem inapropriately long for a race like paris-nice, but I am certain the remaining stages offer more than enough opportunities to shake the GC.

Stage 4: Thiers - Saint-Etienne, 200km long, with the first real climbs of the race. It starts quite gently with the col de la croix de Montvieux (7km @ 4,6%), followed by the Cret de l'Oeillon (9,4km @ 7,1%) and finally the Col de la République (11,6km @ 5,3%) with 16km to go.

Stage 5: Saint-Étienne - Villard-de-Lans, the shortest stage thus far, but probably the hardest too. The stage starts with the reverse climb of the col de la République, followed by a long stretch of flat roads. With 65km to go the second climb of the day starts: the Col de l'Écharasson, 12,3km @ 7,3%. The one but last climb is the narrow Col de Chalimont (9km @ 6,5%), followed by the climb to the finishline (4km @ 5.8%).

Stage 6: Vizille - Digne-les-Bains. This 225km long stage is an ideal preparation for next week's Milan-San Remo. The parcours is dotted with 8 climbs of varying difficulty. This will probably be a stage for the breakaway, though.

Stage 7: Digne-les-Bains - Fréjus. A rolling 230km long stage through the provence. Another breakaway stage or one for the sprinters?

Stage 8: Nice - Nice. It seems like the traditional final of Paris-Nice, but with a length of 192km and no less than 6 climbs, this one is a lot more difficult than what we are used to.
 
This is something that I've had in mind for a while, but it's taken me some time to get into a position to have one to post. This is a route for a classic race now little seen in the history books, a race more or less lost to time, or so it would seem... the Friedensfahrt, Course de la Paix, Závod Miru, Wyścig Pokoju, or as it may be best known on this Anglophone forum, the Peace Race.

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Starting in 1948 and running through 58 editions before the money ran out after the 2006 edition, the Tour de France of the East was the most prestigious, important and legendary cycling event behind the Iron Curtain until its fall. Originally an amateur event competed for by national teams, it swiftly tailed off in importance as the fall of Communism rendered it somewhat obsolete, with its former "amateur" riders heading west in search of better pay and performing in those races they'd never been able to before.

The general template for the Peace Race was a race of around 2 weeks in length, racing between Prague, Berlin and Warsaw in various orders. It was originally just Prague and Warsaw for the first five editions of the race, but in 1952 (there were two editions in 1948) Ostberlin joined the party, and the race in its classic form was born. Early editions of a week expanded, and soon the race would typically fluctuate between 12 and 16 stages. This template was only deviated from occasionally - 1953's race substituted Bratislava for Prague, though the Czech capital featured on the route; 1969's edition bypassed Czechoslovakia as a punishment for the uprisings; 1985's edition began with a prologue in Prague before three stages in Moscow before returning to Prague; 1986 decided against the double air transfer and started in Kiev before returning to its traditional homes, and 1988's edition ran from Bratislava to Katowice to Berlin. In the post-Communist era, the race continued to run between the three (four) countries (it typically only used the modern day Czech Republic, though of course stages in modern Slovakia are not unknown) but seldom used the capitals as the prestige of the race dwindled. Now, the Czech cycling authority has the rights to the name and organises a junior edition, which has a stellar list of past winners including Roman Kreuziger and Fabian Cancellara.

The race also had its own share of heroes, heroes which often go unheralded in discussions of the great cyclists of the past. Obviously winners of the later, professional era are often familiar to us (Steffen Wesemann, Jens Voigt or Pavel Padrnos, for example, though in the later days when the race was dying off even a young Michele Scarponi and Giampaolo Cheula won editions), and those of the time of the Wende later made names for themselves in the professional péloton of the West (Uwe Ampler, Zbigniew Spruch, but more successfully Djamolidine Abdoujaparov and Olaf Ludwig, both winning the Tour de France points competition). But the exploits of the great Polish cyclist Ryszard Szurkowski, the former Olympic champion and talented climber Sergej Suchorutschenkow (father of recent Olympic bronze medallist Olga Zabelinskaya) and of course icon of the DDR Täve Schur are often forgotten.

History lesson over, sort of.

I've always hoped for a return of the race in some form, although I suspect it would need some kind of special occasion for a probable one-off situation. Maybe 2015, to celebrate 25 years since the fall of Communism. Remember the days when El Pistolero was cooing over video of the Ávila finish in the Vuelta and wondering if we could ever see a real all-rounders' GT, with real opportunities for the Classics specialists to win? This may be their best chance. Many flat stages punctuated the Peace Race, as you might imagine bearing in mind how flat most of Poland and the DDR are/were. My personal edition of the race posted here is 15 stages long, in the direction Warsaw-Prague-Berlin. I have attempted to include some sops to tradition whilst simultaneously reflecting the changes that have gone on in the sport since the days of the Friedensfahrt as a major event. I have included a wide range of challenges, to try to keep things interesting. Nevertheless, there are lots of things that I would have liked to have included but simply didn't have room for - for example, a really long stage through eastern Brandenburg taking in a large number of Kopfsteinpflasterstraßen wouldn't have gone amiss. With tradition in mind, I have started and finished the race with a sequence of stages in relay form, i.e. with no transfers, but there are a number of them in the middle, especially as we move through the mountains, of which there are more than in a typical Peace Race route of the Iron Curtain era, to reflect the changing nature of the péloton.

As per Peace Race tradition, the following jerseys are available:
Yellow Jersey - General Classification: the usual. Time bonuses of 10, 6 and 3 seconds for the top 3 positions on non-TT stages.
Violet Jersey - Combativity Classification: instead of a true points classification, the Peace Race had something combining intermediate sprints and the Giro's Trofeo della Fuga, known as the "Aktivster Fahrer". 3, 2 and 1 points awarded for each intermediate sprint, but also 3 points would be awarded for every member of a breakaway group numbering fewer than 10 riders, that finished more than 1'30 ahead of the next group on the road. A further point would be awarded for each 30" greater the advantage is, so an advantage of 2'30 would net the members of the break 5 points.
Green Jersey - Mountains Classification: the usual, though worthy of note is that the Peace Race only had two categories of mountain; cat.1 would be applied to any climb greater than 250m in ascent and 5km in length; cat.2 would apply to all others. Cat.1 climbs would offer 7, 5, 3, 2 and 1 points, cat.2 would offer 5, 3 and 1.
Pink Jersey - Combination Classification: scored like a true points classification. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 and 1 points would be awarded to the top 10 on each stage; then, the sum total of all a rider's points in the mountains and combativity classification would be added.

Furthermore, I will be awarding blue numbers to the leading team; they used to wear blue jerseys, but this is a practice that has died out. The old-fashioned points classification (based on adding up placements and the lowest total winning) and youth classification shall not be jersey-paying in my Course de la Paix.

Right! After all that, let's get on with the stages...

I'd like to give thanks to Michał Książkiewicz on this one, for his website covering Polish climbs for all bikes, road, 'cross or MTB, has been of great interest, as Poland doesn't feature too heavily on Quäl dich! or Altimetrias.
 
Prologue: Warszawa - Warszawa, 6,1km (ITT)

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Climbs:
Plac Mikołaja Kopernika (cat.2) 0,3km @ 8,0%

The Internationale Friedensfahrt begins in the Polish capital in some of the most dramatic of surroundings - the riders roll off the ramp in Plac Zamkowy, next to Zamek Królewski, the rebuilt Royal Castle. The riders then take on a 6km route encircling many of the sights of central Warsaw, such as the Grand Theatre, Plac Piłsudskiego, the imposing Finance Ministry, Warsaw Uprising Square and Ostrogski Castle, home of the Chopin museum.

After this, there is a timecheck at the low point of the stage, as we head down towards the banks of the Wisła. Then, it's time to hand out our first Grüner Trikot, as it's a short (300m or so) dig back parallel to where we'd just been, climbing up Ulica Oboźna to the cobbles (we'll see more of these) on Plac Mikołaja Kopernika. From there it's a straight, fast run-in on the scenic Krakowskie Przedmieście, passing Pałac Staszica, the university gates and the Presidential Palace before winding up back where we started.

As a result, this fairly simple stage should set an early GC order, hand out the jerseys and really show off the scenery of Warsaw and the history of Poland through the buildings and their stories. There could be few better ways to restart a historic sporting event.

Warszawa:
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OlavEH said:
Ok, my first post in this thread. I have created a fantasy Giro d'Italia without using the Dolomites.

Olav's Giro d'Italia Fantasy tour

Some of the stages are split in two parts because the map engine doesn't allow longer routes than 200 km.

Stages:

Prologue: Agrigento: 9,8 km
Stage 1: Agrigento – Syracuse: 216 km
Stage 2: Catania – Catania (Mascalucia): 172 km
Stage 3: Reggio di Calabria – Vibo Valentia: 168 km
Stage 4: Catanzaro – Castrovillari: 232 km
Stage 5: Castrovillari – Potenza: 199 km
Stage 6: Potenza – Foggia: 186 km
Stage 7: Foggia – Roccaraso: 255 km
Stage 8: Perugia – Assisi: 56 km TT
Stage 9: Foligno – Monte Nerone: 200 km
Stage 10: Gubbio – Rimini 199 km
Stage 11: Rimini – Firenze: 182 km
Stage 12: Pistoia – Abetone: 175 km
Stage 13: La Spezia – Genova: 243 km
Stage 14: Genova – Salsomaggiore Terme: 218 km
Stage 15: Parma -Novara: 184 km
Stage 16: Novara – Stresa: 197 km
Stage 17: Biella – Monviso (Pian del Re): 188 km
Stage 18: Saluzzo – Sestriere: 231 km
Stage 19: Torino – Torino: 36 km TT
Stage 20: Torino – Milano: 163 km

Stage 13 is good, I might go there on the road to rescue bodies :D
 
Libertine Seguros said:
I had a go at Paris-Nice, but I never managed to get one I was totally happy with.

Neither am I about my version. I considered for a while to include a stage to Vaujany or le Grand Duc, like some versions of p/n in the early nineties, but then there would be too few flat(tish) stages. (I know the last bit sounds weird).
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Nevertheless, there are lots of things that I would have liked to have included but simply didn't have room for - for example, a really long stage through eastern Brandenburg taking in a large number of Kopfsteinpflasterstraßen wouldn't have gone amiss.

Go for a one day classic. :)
 
Stage 1: Warszawa - Łódź, 142km

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The city of Łódź, the third largest in Poland and a massively important industrial hub for the country, grew to prominence in the 19th Century as a centre for the textile industry. It is also an extremely frequent stop-off for the Peace Race, with no fewer than 24 editions holding stages finishing in the city. The very first stage of the Peace Race, held on May 1 1948, was a 190km route between the two cities of today's stage. Czechoslovakia's Jan Veselý, who would go on to win the race outright the following year, ran out the victor. Similar Warsaw-Łódź stages, ranging in length from 130 to 190km, would follow in 1950, 1952, 1954, 1956, and 1958 as the Peace Race route seemed to remain fairly consistent. The Polish part of the race was almost invariably Warsaw-Łódź-Katowice-Wrocław, or Wrocław-Katowice-Łódź-Warsaw. After the race began to branch out and vary its route a lot more in the late 50s and early 60s, these stages became less frequent, although the city remained a common stop-off. In 1964 a Warsaw circuit race on day 1 was followed by a TTT into Łódź, then in 1969, 1977 and 1989 the traditional Warszawa-Łódź stage was resurrected.

In tribute to the early days of the Peace Race, then, it seems only fitting that I should open up with a traditional stage such as this, especially given that a lack of investment comparative to other major cities in the last 20 years has meant that there are still areas where Soviet architecture is prevalent, adding to the historic feel of the event. David Lynch once described Łódź as his favourite city, perhaps because of the contradictions and strange atmosphere that it embodies. The stage is short at just 140km, and absolutely flat - not a single categorised climb to mark it. However, the latter stages feature some narrow and difficult stretches of road, rather like the concreted hell-roads of the northern Classics. I had hoped to add the brutal cobbled stretch of Ulica Serwituty to the stage, but unfortunately that is only manageable from one end; the other end is unpaved, uncrossable dirt. As a result, I settled for the short, comparatively well-maintained stretch on Ulica Giewont instead. This is the only stretch, however, and isn't especially long, so it's more about keeping up the tradition side of things than really trying to punish the riders. Those days will come later. Instead, with today's stage, we head across into town to Plac Wolności, one of the focal points of the city. For the sake of it, here's a picture of it from the race's heyday. After a couple of turns, we make our way onto Piotrkówska, the main street of Łódź, running down the spine of the city for several kilometres. Our run-in to the finish is long and straight (about 1,2km), passing through the former Jewish area and finishing by the intersection of Piotrkówska with Aleja Marszałka Józefa Piłsudskiego, known affectionate or derisively as Łódźki Manhattan. Although much of the final straight is cobbled, these are easy city centre cobbles, not the type that would cause any difficulties whatsoever, and as long as the winds don't blow too strongly and nobodyțs positioning in the narrow stretches is too terrible, this will be your typical opening stage where the sprinters can have their day in the sun. Or rain - that would be fairly typical of the Peace Race too.

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Anyone to design one-day races?


I've made a fantasy Paris-Brussels:

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My map starts at the village Englefontaine because from start in Soissons up to that point in the present-day Paris-Brussels, I don't change anything, which means that the race still keeps its first 5 small climbs: http://www.paris-bruxelles.be/ (click on parcours/uurrooster or horaire).


In a second part, the race takes 3 cobbled sections around St-Amand-les-Eaux for a total distance of 6.4km on cobble in that area, possibility of an additional 300m but it might be too inapproriate for a classic race. I'll discuss it further.

I've based this section on a circuit designed by a Frenchy, here:

http://www.velowire.com/avotretour/thread/93/0/projet-aso--secteurs-paves-du-nord-pas-de-calais.html

The one that goes:

-Marchipont 500m, en cote (4%)
-Vicq-Fresnes sur Escault 2900m,2 secteur en continu de 2000m et 900m
-Condé sur l'Escault 2400m
-Vieux Condé (Rue Ghesquières) 1100m

-Vieux Condé (Rue Calonne) 700m
-Hergnies (Rue de Pérulwelz) 1200m
-Hergnies Chemin Mingot 1200m
-Bruille St Amand 600m
-Vieux Condé (Mont de Perulwelz) 200m,en cote (3%)(Non référencé sur l'itinéraire)

http://www.openrunner.com/index.php?id=1922365

The three that are bolded are the ones I took. So after the Rue Ghesquière, I'm heading towards the Belgian border.

The Vicq-Fresne S/Escaut section is called the Chemin des Bas Prés
and immediately followed by the Rue de Crespin and the Rue Voltaire

Pics:

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Gotta love this S turn:

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From another angle:

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To be continued..
 
That looks like some nasty cobbles right there. I like.

Stage 2: Łódź - Katowice, 208km

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Climbs:
Góra Siewierska (cat.2) 1,1km @ 4,2%

The next stage of the Peace Race is another traditional route, from yesterday's stage town of Łódź heading almost due south to the Upper Silesian Metropolitan Union, finishing in its largest city, Katowice. Katowice is a city that was formerly known for its industry, with mining and steel production major earners for the city for much of the 20th Century. Recently, however, it has changed to be more of a commerce centre owing to its position as a transport hub for linking Poland with much of Europe as well as its position as the main player of a ring of industrial towns and cities such as Bytom, Gliwice and Dabrowa Górnicza.

Like Łódź, Katowice was an almost everpresent stage town in the early days of the Peace Race, but once the routes started to vary more, it was less commonly seen. It only featured three more times as a stage finish; 1966, 1968 and as part of the unusual Bratislava-Katowice-Berlin 1988 route, which bypassed Warsaw and most of the modern Czech Republic entirely for an atypically mountainous route through Slovakia and the Polish border mountains.

Today's stage, however, is again not mountainous, in the slightest. This is a long flat stage through the heart of Poland, traversing the country's vast flat plains. The race will be hard and fast, passing things like Elektrownia Bełchatów, an enormous coal-firing power station in the town of the same name; the pretty town of Radomsko with its famous church and the spectacular monastery of Częstochowa, before arriving in the metropolitan ring around Katowice.

Before the finish, however, there is the small matter - and it is a small matter - of the only categorised climb of the day, the short rise up to Góra Siewierska. This only averages 4% for just over a kilometre, but at a maximum of 9% at least it will be noticeable, which is more than can be said for some "climbs" in Poland or the former DDR. This is at approximately 30km from the finish. After the "descent" the riders will enter Wojkowice, the first satellite town of many they will pass through en route to the likely sprint finish in Katowice, outside Wojewódzka Hala Widowiskowo-Sportowa w Katowicach, an enormous multi-sport complex built in 1971 and known affectionately or otherwise by locals as "Spodek" ("the saucer"). The final corner comes at around 500m to go, and the road is nice and wide here so we should be able to have a pretty safe, wide sprint here. Tomorrow, we start to move away from the traditions of the 1950s routes.

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Spodek:
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Stage 3: Katowice - Ustroń (Równica), 147km

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Climbs:
Przełęcz Kocierska (cat.2) 4,9km @ 6,2%
Przełęcz Sałmopolska (cat.1) 10,7km @ 4,1%
Zameczek (cat.1) 5,5km @ 5,7%
Równica (cat.1) 7,4km @ 5,9%

Today is our first day moving away from the traditional spots of the Friedensfahrt in Poland, and injecting a bit of modern cycling. This is a relatively short stage taking us from the flatlands of central Poland to the Beskid ranges on the edges of the Carpathians. Today's finish, on the Równica climb just outside the health resort town of Ustroń, has never been used in the Peace Race, although some of the other climbs will be familiar to aficionados of the Tour de France of the East, from stages to Bielsko-Biała (featuring in 1965, 1985 and 1990) or Żywiec (featuring only after the fall of the Berlin Wall, in 1996 and 7). This climb has, however, been used once in the Tour de Pologne. That was in 2010, when Dan Martin won, taking enough time to take home the General Classification too. For a bit more of what the climb involves, this has been uploaded to youtube: Part 1 is here, and Part 2 is here. To tell you the truth, I'm not really sure why they haven't gone back.

This is a fairly short stage, and there are three climbs on the menu before we get to the base of Równica. The first, Przełęcz Kocierska, has some very difficult sections, with gradients up to 11% and punishing tarmac, but at least some nice views. From there it's a fast descent into Żywiec, home of the eponymous beer. We get to see some of the beauty of the Carpathians as the riders circle Jezioro Żywieckie, then a rolling stretch takes us to Szczyrk, where we join the last 10km or so of Przełęcz Sałmopolska, a famous and scenic pass which, at 917m, is the highest we will go today. It gets steeper as it goes up, with the last 5km being the toughest, and crests 35km from the finish, and after the descent - which flattens out quite a bit.

From there, we're into the terrain of stage 5 of the 2010 Tour de Pologne. The medium-sized Zameczek climb is fairly consistent in gradient, and its relatively short length mean that for the most part all the main contenders should arrive in Ustroń together before the final climb begins. Here is the profile of the Równica climb; as you can see, it starts off fairly benign, but after 3km, it jumps up to 8,5%, and this is where Martin made his move in 2010, snaking through the forests to the ski station at the summit. From here it gets slightly easier but stays around the 7% marker for most of the rest of the way. A short flattening out is ended with the last 500m, which jump up to 10%, and can take a rider by surprise. Now, this early in a long stage race I can imagine riders might be a little more circumspect about attacking and gaining time than Martin was, also perhaps because I might expect a stronger field of climbers than the Tour de Pologne usually musters. But then, this could easily function as one of those sprint-of-the-elites types of stage, with small gaps being created in the last kilometre and a group of 10-15, maybe 20 being created that tell you who the key players in the race are going to be. Riders who aren't specialist climbers at all will have their opportunity to win this race... but this is somewhere they'll really need to limit their losses if they're going to.

Ustroń:
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Równica:
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Echoes said:
Anyone to design one-day races?


I've made a fantasy Paris-Brussels:

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My map starts at the village Englefontaine because from start in Soissons up to that point in the present-day Paris-Brussels, I don't change anything, which means that the race still keeps its first 5 small climbs: http://www.paris-bruxelles.be/ (click on parcours/uurrooster or horaire).


In a second part, the race takes 3 cobbled sections around St-Amand-les-Eaux for a total distance of 6.4km on cobble in that area, possibility of an additional 300m but it might be too inapproriate for a classic race. I'll discuss it further.

I've based this section on a circuit designed by a Frenchy, here:

http://www.velowire.com/avotretour/thread/93/0/projet-aso--secteurs-paves-du-nord-pas-de-calais.html

The one that goes:

-Marchipont 500m, en cote (4%)
-Vicq-Fresnes sur Escault 2900m,2 secteur en continu de 2000m et 900m
-Condé sur l'Escault 2400m
-Vieux Condé (Rue Ghesquières) 1100m

-Vieux Condé (Rue Calonne) 700m
-Hergnies (Rue de Pérulwelz) 1200m
-Hergnies Chemin Mingot 1200m
-Bruille St Amand 600m
-Vieux Condé (Mont de Perulwelz) 200m,en cote (3%)(Non référencé sur l'itinéraire)

http://www.openrunner.com/index.php?id=1922365

The three that are bolded are the ones I took. So after the Rue Ghesquière, I'm heading towards the Belgian border.

The Vicq-Fresne S/Escaut section is called the Chemin des Bas Prés
and immediately followed by the Rue de Crespin and the Rue Voltaire

Pics:

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Gotta love this S turn:

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From another angle:

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To be continued..


Uh that will be a slugfest
 
Giro d'Italia:

Stage 1: Agrigento - Syracuse: 216 km

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The profile and map shows the last 171 km of the stage. The first part is mainly flat. This stage takes the riders from the starting point in Agrigento along the southern part of Sicily to Syracuse at the east coast. The stage is fairly easy without any major climbs or difficulties, and should be one for the sprinters, espcially since the last 60 km are downhill or flat.
 
Giro d'Italia:

Stage 1: Catania - Catania (Mascalucia): 172 km

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Etna, Rifugio Citelli: 22,2 km, 5,5 %
Etna: Rifugio Sapienze: 18 km, 7,2 %

The stage both starts and finish in Catania at the east coast of Siciliy. This should be a first test for the GT riders with two big climbs in the last half of the stage. The stage starts by making a loop around Mount Etna to Linguaglossa at the north side of the volcano.

From there the riders will do two ascents of Etna before descending to the finish line in the outskirts of Catania. Because there is almost none flat part after the descent and before the stage finish, it should make it possible for good descenders to attack in the last part of the stage.
 
The problem, Bavarian, is that these sections are still 100km from finish. :p
Not my fault, they are where they are and I can't move them but they can be used for other races. Of course, I forgot to mention that they are unknown to ASO, but I guess you've understood that.


Still a few pics from the same section as above:

The moment where the Chemin des Bas Prés reaches the Rue de Crespin. The riders would have to turn left. Negotiating corners on the cobbles is not easy, I think. And so, after the 2000m of the first part, they can start the second part of the section 900m, which is I think softer but I can't really say, I haven't ridden on it.

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A few hundreds of meters further they will again have to turn left to the Rue Voltaire (awful name), a few hundreds of meters on the Rue Voltaire that will be it. The end of the street is asphalted.

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And the Rue Voltaire still has some nasty cobbles.

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So now that's is for that section.

The next one is the Chemin des Moulineaux next to Condé sur l'Escaut.

My choice for the approach to the section is the Rue Henri Martrice straight from the above mentioned village, while my source (see supra) chose to take the Drève Félix Szpruta as approach. The Drève is perfectly asphalted while the Rue Martrice is some sort of an Eroica/Herning GP dirt road. I don't know if it's responsible to put a whole peloton on it but after all if the Montepaschi does it, why not? In any case, it enables me to add an additional 300m cobble part to this 2200m section because where the Drève ends, the section had already started.

So this is a pic from the dirt road of the Rue Henri Martrice

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To be continued