Race Radio, anti-RR, Polish and Twitter Campaigns

[Susan Westemeyer]

It is just a title given to users who have a specific number of postings.

JockoJ has been banned, by the way.

Now back on topic, whatever the heck it is.

Susan

 

[sniper]

Jocko J, you are new here - so let me give you some backround on RR...

First, Race Radio PAYS for his OWN Jet Fuel thank you very much.
Does not need donations from "the guys". What were you thinking?
Oh yeah, you are new here sorry.

Second, they serve booze on those flights. Since RR is the new CN Clinic spokesmodel for the "Booze causes Cancer" campaign, it would be hypocritical of him to be in the proximity of all those booze people.

Third, hookers. RR does not like them.
Not sure if you have heard bout that shack outside La Grange Texas?
It is near LiveStrong HQ.
Have Mercy.

Anyway Jokco J - be prepared to be attacked with genital and scatalogical insults and have mean kitty pictures thrown at you over the inerwebs.
It s a rough crowd yikes. Meow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vppbdf-qtGU
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man, there is some seriously negative energy coming from 90% of your posts, dude. what happened?
a petty, cuz the remaining 10% is quite entertaining and informative.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Look, we understand that your goal is to derail this thread by flooding it with babble but does any rational person think that showing up at the Livestrong HQ would result in answers? I already fell for their bait and switch once.

Since this started I have heard from multiple people, from journalists to potential donors. They all had similar questions for Livestrong and were given the same runaround. It is a strategy, one that is failing as their secrecy and harassment of critics only makes them look bad.

To pretend that anyone would get answers by flying to Austin is absurd.

+1

I'd like to add that my primitive understanding of non-profits suggest the commingling of the for-profit and the non-profit, while awe inspiring at the org in question, is more common than most are aware.

Even if they had something to hide answers are ridiculously easy to formulate. It would have put them ahead of the story. Instead, Race Radio gets the middle school treatment. I smell another myth-busting story brewing.

 

[AnythingButKestrel]

Officially he did not graduate from High School in the State of Texas. Anyone could have taken those make up tests.

It diminishes the credibility of the arguments when LA is attacked on these levels. If he has the GED, so be it. Who cares if he did the cap and gown walk? Most people with the same talent and opportunity would have gone to CO like he did. The guy has a lot of character flaws, but going after him on trivialities like that cheapens the mission.

 

[jimmypop]

It diminishes the credibility of the arguments when LA is attacked on these levels. If he has the GED, so be it. Who cares if he did the cap and gown walk? Most people with the same talent and opportunity would have gone to CO like he did. The guy has a lot of character flaws, but going after him on trivialities like that cheapens the mission.

Does Armstrong have a high school degree in the same manner that Tyler Hamilton has a college degree?

 

[mewmewmew13]

Gee, went to bed and just got on for the first time today...boy, did I miss a lot! crazy.
Now will have to catch up with RR's status today...
(btw, the sentence structure and aggressive style from JJ reminded me of someone else..)

 

[D-Queued]

It diminishes the credibility of the arguments when LA is attacked on these levels. If he has the GED, so be it. Who cares if he did the cap and gown walk? Most people with the same talent and opportunity would have gone to CO like he did. The guy has a lot of character flaws, but going after him on trivialities like that cheapens the mission.

CLARIFICATION

We have wandered down this uneducated path due to a post from Polish, and my response to it.

The Polishers post suggested that a conversation about alcohol and cancer was at grade 3 level.

As Lance, and his sponsors, don't appear to see the oh-so-obvious conflict of interest and ethical implications for a booze company wrapping an ad campaign around a cancer charity, I asked Polish for clarification.

Was the polisher deriding his god? Was he suggesting that Lance had not yet made it to grade 3? (These are rhetorical questions)

NOTE: I did not mean to derail the thread into a discussion about Lance's strained academic credentials.

The beer sponsorship does the following:

1. Demonstrates that the for-profit .com is the leading brand
2. Demonstrates that ethical conflicts between the .com and .org are permissable, and will go in the favor of the .com
3. Provides a parallel example of exploiting a charity to cover-up reality

The example of the beer sponsorship is pattern reinforcing on at least three vectors.

There should be no confusion about the morals and goals of Lance et al. There should be no confusion that the purpose of Livestrong is for Lance's profit. Cancer is merely a vehicle that is being maximally leveraged.

This lack of confusion is true even for the Lanceophiles. Their derisive posts only underscore that they understand the nature of the conflict and that the observation is on-the-mark.

Dave.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

It diminishes the credibility of the arguments when LA is attacked on these levels. If he has the GED, so be it. Who cares if he did the cap and gown walk? Most people with the same talent and opportunity would have gone to CO like he did. The guy has a lot of character flaws, but going after him on trivialities like that cheapens the mission.

Yes & no - I understand what you are saying.

Surely the 'credibility' of any argument is whether it is accurate or not.

 

[Polish]

Gee, went to bed and just got on for the first time today...boy, did I miss a lot! crazy.
Now will have to catch up with RR's status today...
(btw, the sentence structure and aggressive style from JJ reminded me of someone else..)

Reminded you of......Moose McKnuckles?

Maybe Moose is a closet FanBoy?
Not that there is anything wrong with that.

 

[uspostal]

An interesting fact,

Alcohol as a cocarcinogen. Although there is no evidence that alcohol itself is a carcinogen, alcohol may act as a cocarcinogen by enhancing the carcinogenic effects of other chemicals. For example, studies indicate that alcohol enhances tobacco's abil ity to stimulate tumor formation in rats (29). In humans, the risk for mouth, tracheal, and esophageal cancer is 35 times greater for people who both smoke and drink than for people who neither smoke nor drink (30), implying a cocarcinogenic interaction between alcohol and tobacco-related
carcinogens (29).

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Education is not a great barometer of intelligence, nor morals, one direction or the other.

Einstein, Edison, Bohr, Jobs, Gates, Jim Clark (Netscape) many others either struggled, dropped out of college, or even high school.

OTOH, Ted Bundy had a degree in psychology and was accepted to several law schools...

 

[Oldman]

CLARIFICATION

We have wandered down this uneducated path due to a post from Polish, and my response to it.

The Polishers post suggested that a conversation about alcohol and cancer was at grade 3 level.

As Lance, and his sponsors, don't appear to see the oh-so-obvious conflict of interest and ethical implications for a booze company wrapping an ad campaign around a cancer charity, I asked Polish for clarification.

Was the polisher deriding his god? Was he suggesting that Lance had not yet made it to grade 3? (These are rhetorical questions)

NOTE: I did not mean to derail the thread into a discussion about Lance's strained academic credentials.

The beer sponsorship does the following:

1. Demonstrates that the for-profit .com is the leading brand
2. Demonstrates that ethical conflicts between the .com and .org are permissable, and will go in the favor of the .com
3. Provides a parallel example of exploiting a charity to cover-up reality

The example of the beer sponsorship is pattern reinforcing on at least three vectors.

There should be no confusion about the morals and goals of Lance et al. There should be no confusion that the purpose of Livestrong is for Lance's profit. Cancer is merely a vehicle that is being maximally leveraged.

This lack of confusion is true even for the Lanceophiles. Their derisive posts only underscore that they understand the nature of the conflict and that the observation is on-the-mark.

Dave.

You guys take Polish too seriously and then not enough when he raises a good point (not LA's education, etc) JJ, on the other hand; seemed like a poorly trained/lowly paid hired gun.

 

[MacRoadie]

Maybe Moose is a closet FanBoy?
Not that there is anything wrong with that.

You guys must have one hella big closet for you all to fit.

Was it included as part of the new LIVEStrong corporate offices?

 

[Oldman]

You guys must have one hella big closet for you all to fit.

Was it included as part of the new LIVEStrong corporate offices?

The reception area seems rather large, considering their current status. Can they store excess hubris there? They show that alot.

 

[flicker]

Just remember, a tweet is just a tweet. Education is something we have forever. I do not care how much education Lance has. I think he is an intelligent guy. Most of us continue learning after our formal schooling.
Life is educating in itself. Think about it. I think some here chase their tails/tales, and think it s clever. Trap,not learning, epic fail.

 

[MacRoadie]

The reception area seems rather large, considering their current status. Can they store excess hubris there? They show that alot.

Everything is bigger in Texas. Gotta have room for all those blonde receptionists, all of 'em hotter than donut grease...

The hubris is stored with the excess apathy, indifference and righteous indignation...

 

[mewmewmew13]

Education is not a great barometer of intelligence, nor morals, one direction or the other.

Einstein, Edison, Bohr, Jobs, Gates, Jim Clark (Netscape) many others either struggled, dropped out of college, or even high school.

OTOH, Ted Bundy had a degree in psychology and was accepted to several law schools...

A good point! and along those lines one of my favorites...

“Intellectual brilliance is no guarantee against being dead wrong” ~Carl Sagan.

....although in this case not sure if we are talking about 'intellectual brilliance'.

 

[flicker]

A good point! and along those lines one of my favorites...

“Intellectual brilliance is no guarantee against being dead wrong” ~Carl Sagan.

....although in this case not sure if we are talking about 'intellectual brilliance'.

The list Alpe laid out were mostly innovators,physicists, inventors, and entrepreneurs. Except for Ted Bundy, he was an intellectual.

 

[Polish]

Education is not a great barometer of intelligence, nor morals, one direction or the other.

Einstein, Edison, Bohr, Jobs, Gates, Jim Clark (Netscape) many others either struggled, dropped out of college, or even high school.

OTOH, Ted Bundy had a degree in psychology and was accepted to several law schools...

Alpe, Gates dropped out of Harvard very close to graduation IIRC
Microsoft was taking off and the Harvard workload was distracting.

Einstein and his girlfriend/future wife were bright University students.
Do not know the details as to why he did not graduate...

Some people believe that both Albert and Bill had/have Aspergers btw...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/spotlighthealth/2003-04-15-schneider_x.htm

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/spotlighthealth/2003-04-15-schneider_x.htm
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[JMBeaushrimp]

Master of the obvious. What is your point?

Save up your lunch money and chip in for some plane tix, take them up on their offer, lug one of the internet warrior lawyers with him if he so chooses. They are daring each of you to do that. An internet slapdown is occuring right before our eyes. *snicker*

I really hope everyone took note of that.

I am now, officially, MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS! It's a small field of practice, but I feel utterly confident that I can continue, and expand upon, the obvious.

This last comment of the professional spkesman says it all - pay for your own ticket to try to talk to the golden boys. The free exchange via web is obviously too honest for them, so why not get our RR boy to HQ? Sounds reasonable...

Because that was never the question. The questions were the question. Pretty simple if you're not functionally ***, or want to obfuscate the issue.

Throughout this, please remember - RR asked legit and simple questions. No answers, but a lot of vitriolic personal attacks. How does that further debate or clear up the issues? Perhaps it's not their point...

Forget the trolls, focus on the questions. If they can't (or won't) answer them, write them off.

If a BPC-type entity shows up, don't argue. Provide facts. If they continue to argue, provide more facts. Don't argue. You can't win. They're actually paid to irritate you.

Believe it or not, the high-road wins (Sh*t, I actually gagged writing that)...

 

[Anonymous]

Education is not a great barometer of intelligence, nor morals, one direction or the other.

Einstein, Edison, Bohr, Jobs, Gates, Jim Clark (Netscape) many others either struggled, dropped out of college, or even high school.

OTOH, Ted Bundy had a degree in psychology and was accepted to several law schools...

He went to school with my HS girlfriend's mom. We used to pull out her yearbook and get weirded out. As for the law school part, yea, that sounds about right...

 

[mewmewmew13]

The list Alpe laid out were mostly innovators,physicists, inventors, and entrepreneurs. Except for Ted Bundy, he was an intellectual.

....although in this case not sure if we are talking about 'intellectual brilliance'......
and I was referring to the original subject of the high school debate

 

[Semper Fidelis]

It diminishes the credibility of the arguments when LA is attacked on these levels. If he has the GED, so be it. Who cares if he did the cap and gown walk? Most people with the same talent and opportunity would have gone to CO like he did. The guy has a lot of character flaws, but going after him on trivialities like that cheapens the mission.

Some times Good enough is not good enough. GED LMAO Does not cheapen nothing for me. You can speak for yourself. I will go home when I want. I said he did not graduate legit. Which is the truth. Ask him if you want to...but to cheapen my statement with something that is your opinion against my opinion is pure trivialization.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Gee, went to bed and just got on for the first time today...boy, did I miss a lot! crazy.
Now will have to catch up with RR's status today...
(btw, the sentence structure and aggressive style from JJ reminded me of someone else..)

WoW you did miss a lot of crazy.

I should remind you that the topic of this thread is RR ...antiRR, Polish ..twitts. Why don't you just say who JJ reminded you of?

RR status today is the same as it was yesterday. Surftel can let us know the true updates when he wants to do so. Just relax. Diluca will be in the mix soon.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I really hope everyone took note of that.

I am now, officially, MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS! It's a small field of practice, but I feel utterly confident that I can continue, and expand upon, the obvious.

This last comment of the professional spkesman says it all - pay for your own ticket to try to talk to the golden boys. The free exchange via web is obviously too honest for them, so why not get our RR boy to HQ? Sounds reasonable...

Because that was never the question. The questions were the question. Pretty simple if you're not functionally ***, or want to obfuscate the issue.

Throughout this, please remember - RR asked legit and simple questions. No answers, but a lot of vitriolic personal attacks. How does that further debate or clear up the issues? Perhaps it's not their point...

Forget the trolls, focus on the questions. If they can't (or won't) answer them, write them off.

If a BPC-type entity shows up, don't argue. Provide facts. If they continue to argue, provide more facts. Don't argue. You can't win. They're actually paid to irritate you.

Believe it or not, the high-road wins (Sh*t, I actually gagged writing that)...

WoW..... THAT IS AWSOME SHRIMP. Keep up the good work against the BPC-type's.