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[flicker]

Well considering this is the busiest English language forum I have visited, I would imagine this is the best place to find real cycling information. Just look at the race threads here, they get more posts than most other cycling forums get in total. I have checked out Velonation, Velonews, Daily Peloton, RBR and a few others but even their top threads hardly make 100 posts. Compare that to the most popular threads in the racing section with over 2000 posts. This is where a lot of pro cyclists come for a look as well. Why?

I think quite a few people have come here and had their eyes opened about a lot of things, I have seen quite a few peoples' mindset change in the course of two years. There were definitely a lot more pro Lance posters when the forum started but as predicted they disappeared when the subject of their affection declined and dissappeared so what is left is real cycling fans who can make up their own opinions based on available information.

So your supposition is that if you are a fan of Lance you are not a 'real cycling fan?' Is that like a supposition that a woman trapped in a mans' body is not a 'real woman.' Just askin' Best Flicker

 

[andy1234]

Well considering this is the busiest English language forum I have visited, I would imagine this is the best place to find real cycling information. Just look at the race threads here, they get more posts than most other cycling forums get in total. I have checked out Velonation, Velonews, Daily Peloton, RBR and a few others but even their top threads hardly make 100 posts. Compare that to the most popular threads in the racing section with over 2000 posts. This is where a lot of pro cyclists come for a look as well. Why?

I think quite a few people have come here and had their eyes opened about a lot of things, I have seen quite a few peoples' mindset change in the course of two years. There were definitely a lot more pro Lance posters when the forum started but as predicted they disappeared when the subject of their affection declined and dissappeared so what is left is real cycling fans who can make up their own opinions based on available information.

I'm only discussing the clinic here.
The change in opinion of Armstrong is driven by the events being brought to light by the media interest in his investigation.
This forum is just a place where that information is rehashed over and over again.

Support for Armstrong has waned the same as any athlete who is no longer successful. Its just the nature of sports fans, though the adverse publicity certainly doesn't help.
Thinking that the posters in this Forum have had any real influence on his decline in popularity is just laughable.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Well its good to see that you have been convinced that Armstring is a scumbag doper, rather than a nice doper.

There may well be a high amount of posters and views on here, but just about everyone on here has the same opinion. Its a nice place to have your beliefs validated by the majority, but its hardly a challenge.

When I first came on this forum, I definitely did not like the guy, but for reasons that were mostly related to his personality and lack of style. Now that I have learned way more with regard to his treatment of others,etc, I see why I am not in the minority in my dislike....Most intelligent people have realized what has been going on.

It is not surprising that most on here have the same opinion.

 

[pmcg76]

So your supposition is that if you are a fan of Lance you are not a 'real cycling fan?' Is that like a supposition that a woman trapped in a mans' body is not a 'real woman.' Just askin' Best Flicker

Yep, if the Lance fans were real cycling fans, they would still be here posting like everyone else, where are they? It was amazing how many of them would crawl out of the wood in July and then dissappear just as quickly afterwards.

We knew from the start this is what would happen and lo and behold. If a person is only interested in one athlete, then they are more interested in the cult of personality than a sport. Simple really.

Of course you will try and come back with some insipid attempt at unfunny humour as usual.

Instead just answer the question, where are all the Lance fans gone?

 

[Hugh Januss]

.Most intelligent people have realized what has been going on.

It is not surprising that most on here have the same opinion.

And not surprising who the ones are that disagree.

 

[flicker]

Yep, if the Lance fans were real cycling fans, they would still be here posting like everyone else, where are they? It was amazing how many of them would crawl out of the wood in July and then dissappear just as quickly afterwards.

We knew from the start this is what would happen and lo and behold. If a person is only interested in one athlete, then they are more interested in the cult of personality than a sport. Simple really.

Of course you will try and come back with some insipid attempt at unfunny humour as usual.

Instead just answer the question, where are all the Lance fans gone?

Lance fans are more intelligent then the haters. Why take time out of a normal work day, or family activity to take abuse from individuals with a biased agenda. Here there are two camps, those who worship Walsh, Kimmage, LeMond, Simeoni. The other group which I belong to accept Lances' shortcomings(Blondes, Olsen twins, excessive gym workouts,) and recognize his great contributions to cycling and sport. He helped make NIKE by the way, get this 40 percent of the sports shoe business, worldwide. He and LeMond are the major players in promoting pro teams, cycling in the USA. I recognize Greg for that too, I raced before him and cycling was stinrays and schwinns then, really toys, hard to find an Atala, Peogot or Gitane.
I think it is ironic that because I believe in Lance and LIVESTRONG that people would hate me. It is scary, think about it.

 

[pmcg76]

Lance fans are more intelligent then the haters. Why take time out of a normal work day, or family activity to take abuse from individuals with a biased agenda. Here there are two camps, those who worship Walsh, Kimmage, LeMond, Simeoni. The other group which I belong to accept Lances' shortcomings(Blondes, Olsen twins, excessive gym workouts,) and recognize his great contributions to cycling and sport. He helped make NIKE by the way, get this 40 percent of the sports shoe business, worldwide. He and LeMond are the major players in promoting pro teams, cycling in the USA. I recognize Greg for that too, I raced before him and cycling was stinrays and schwinns then, really toys, hard to find an Atala, Peogot or Gitane.
I think it is ironic that because I believe in Lance and LIVESTRONG that people would hate me. It is scary, think about it.

And of course I was right, your usual rubbish.

 

[flicker]

And of course I was right, your usual rubbish.

So, who do you like as a procycling star? I guarantee, I will have nothing negative to say about him or her. Because as a Lance fan, I am unbiased, positive and love good things.

 

[Hugh Januss]

And of course I was right, your usual rubbish.

See what I mean.

 

[pmcg76]

So, who do you like as a procycling star? I guarantee, I will have nothing negative to say about him or her. Because as a Lance fan, I am unbiased, positive and love good things.

I dont have any particular favourites, I follow the sport as a whole, not based on one rider. If pushed, I would say Martin, Roche or Deignan, the Irish guys, I also like to see the underdog win and that applies to all sports.

I have more disdain for Lance over most other dopers because he was away from the sport and despite having suffered cancer, chose to come back and dope to the gills whilst holding himself up as an clean emblen of hope for the cancer community, whilst I believe the sole purpose of the cancer angle was to divert attention from the obvious, his blatant doping. I find statements like "I had cancer so I would never dope" as particularly offensive.

 

[flicker]

I dont have any particular favourites, I follow the sport as a whole, not based on one rider. If pushed, I would say Martin, Roche or Deignan, the Irish guys, I also like to see the underdog win and that applies to all sports.

I have more disdain for Lance over most other dopers because he was away from the sport and despite having suffered cancer, chose to come back and dope to the gills whilst holding himself up as an clean emblen of hope for the cancer community, whilst I believe the sole purpose of the cancer angle was to divert attention from the obvious, his blatant doping. I find statements like "I had cancer so I would never dope" as particularly offensive.

I have heard the UBER doper accusations against Lance. It could be true, I don't know. He does have some great PR. I just like to see some great riding.
I can also see why people would dislike Lance or larger teams because of their dominance, the very reason Merckx was not invited to the tour Ocana won, it takes the fun out of watching the sport, unless you are a fan of the team.
Like I said, he never doped, I never believed that for a minute. That is PR, to help the sponsors sell product. Thusly as far as an investigation or a conviction I could care less, one way or another, I have absolutely no emotional attachment to Lance. Funny thing is as far as investigation goes, Lance will be the one who is shown to be used. Lance is a product, like Coca cola, pepsi or FRS, drink the product and throw the can away. We will see Lances sponsors do that to Lance also.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Yep, if the Lance fans were real cycling fans, they would still be here posting like everyone else, where are they? It was amazing how many of them would crawl out of the wood in July and then dissappear just as quickly afterwards.

We knew from the start this is what would happen and lo and behold. If a person is only interested in one athlete, then they are more interested in the cult of personality than a sport. Simple really.

Of course you will try and come back with some insipid attempt at unfunny humour as usual.

Instead just answer the question, where are all the Lance fans gone?

Well, to answer your question, I can tell you what happened to most of the Ullrich fans participating in German forums:

They were tired of all that masses of hyenas suddenly appearing.

 

[flicker]

You see the Jackals, Hyenas swirl about Armstrong now. Their names are Novitzky, SI, WSJ,Outside Magazine. Now for blood, no holds barred devil may care about the sport of cycling. LeMond, Landis were but ravens in the snow leading the wolves to their prey.

 

[MacRoadie]

He helped make NIKE by the way, get this 40 percent of the sports shoe business, worldwide.

Better let Michael Jordan know that...

And these guys too:

Widening product lines coupled with strong marketing and innovation has contributed to Nike's (NKE_) rising market share in the global footwear market. Its share has increased from almost 14% in 2006 to around 16% in 2009, and we expect this trend to continue over our forecast period.

 

[flicker]

Better let Michael Jordan know that...

And these guys too:

Widening product lines coupled with strong marketing and innovation has contributed to Nike's (NKE_) rising market share in the global footwear market. Its share has increased from almost 14% in 2006 to around 16% in 2009, and we expect this trend to continue over our forecast period.

Yeah, I know that guy Jordan probably did a lot, Tiger too. Maybe Lance was just the 14 to 16 percent swoosh, of the 40 percent global, nothing but net.

 

[MacRoadie]

Yeah, I know that guy Jordan probably did a lot, Tiger too. Maybe Lance was just the 14 to 16 percent swoosh, of the 40 percent global, nothing but net.

Maybe you should try reading that again. The article states that the share increased form 14% of the global market to 16%. They go on to say:

If Nike's footwear share reaches 21% in coming years instead of the 19% that we currently forecast, this could create an upside of 5% to our current price forecast

Nowhere near 40% of the global market. More like half that number.


And another from Forbes:

Nike Can Jump A Little Higher With Shirts And Shorts

Increased sports coverage in the media has played a large role in encouraging kids to play, which has a direct impact on sales of sports apparel. We believe that this trend will continue to spur new sales. Nike’s 4% share of the $125 billion global sports apparel market is small compared to its 17% share of the worldwide athletic shoe market. However, the global sports apparel market is estimated to be twice the size of the global sports footwear market, so even a small share adds significant value to Nike’s stock.

But let's not allow facts to get in the way...

 

[pmcg76]

I have heard the UBER doper accusations against Lance. It could be true, I don't know. He does have some great PR. I just like to see some great riding.
I can also see why people would dislike Lance or larger teams because of their dominance, the very reason Merckx was not invited to the tour Ocana won, it takes the fun out of watching the sport, unless you are a fan of the team.
Like I said, he never doped, I never believed that for a minute. That is PR, to help the sponsors sell product. Thusly as far as an investigation or a conviction I could care less, one way or another, I have absolutely no emotional attachment to Lance. Funny thing is as far as investigation goes, Lance will be the one who is shown to be used. Lance is a product, like Coca cola, pepsi or FRS, drink the product and throw the can away. We will see Lances sponsors do that to Lance also.

The problem with people like yourself is that you somehow view Lance as just another cyclist doping. That is my attitude to most guys who get caught. I dont freak out over Ricco, Vino, Ullrich etc.

Lance is not just another cyclist doping, he represents something else outside of the small cycling world. As I said, Armstrong had time away from the sport 1997 in which he suffered from a terrible disease which could have killed him. He had time to analyse his life options etc and he chose to come back and dope himself to the gills. Thats fine but dont then try to hold yourself up as a representative or role model thats false.

When he decided to target the Tour, its hard to imagine that they didnt envisage what would happen if a cancer survivor won. Thats why I think they cynically pushed the cancer angle as it would both provide a safety net from the doubters and also open up more doors for profiteering which is exactly what happened. That to me at least is incredibly cynical and immoral, its clear also that the more questions were raised, the more the cancer angle came into play, this was especially true for the comeback in 09.

Why was Lance the most profitable cyclist of all time, becasue he won the Tour 7 times. NO, its because he pushed the cancer angle for maximun effect. Compare him with Contador or LeMond who survived horrible afflictions. Neither of them really played up their brushes with death.

Its time to drop the "everyone else doped" line becasue that is not whats its about. Its about "the end justifying the means"

 

[JRTinMA]

The problem with people like yourself is that you somehow view Lance as just another cyclist doping. That is my attitude to most guys who get caught. I dont freak out over Ricco, Vino, Ullrich etc.

Lance is not just another cyclist doping, he represents something else outside of the small cycling world. As I said, Armstrong had time away from the sport 1997 in which he suffered from a terrible disease which could have killed him. He had time to analyse his life choices etc and he chose to come back and dope himself to the gills. Thats fine but dont then try to hold yourself up as a representative or role model thats false.

When he decided to target the Tour, its hard to imagine that they didnt envisage what would happen if a cancer survivor won. Thats why I think they cynically pushed the cancer angle as it would both provide a safety net from the doubters and also open up more doors for profiteering which is exactly what happened. That to me at least is incredibly cynical and immoral, its clear also that the more questions were raised, the more the cancer angle came into play, this was especially true for the comeback in 09.

Why was Lance the most profitable cyclist of all time, becasue he won the Tour 7 times. NO, its because he pushed the cancer angle for maximun effect. Compare him with Contador or LeMond who survived horrible afflictions. Neither of them really played up their brushes with death.

Its time to drop the "everyone else doped" line becasue that is not whats its about. Its about "ends justifying the means"

Meh, it wasn't bad cancer and he did give it to himself through his PED use. He only had brain, lung and testicular cancer and those xrays may have been doctored. I suspect uniballer is in fact a misnomer, he may in fact be a duoballer. He probably only pretended to have cancer. Seems you swallowed the old cancer story hook, line and sinker.

 

[pmcg76]

Meh, it wasn't bad cancer and he did give it to himself through his PED use. He only had brain, lung and testicular cancer and those xrays may have been doctored. I suspect uniballer is in fact a misnomer, he may in fact be a duoballer. He probably only pretended to have cancer. Seems you swallowed the old cancer story hook, line and sinker.

You clearly cannot read as you got this totally wrong, where did I ever say he faked or exaggerated his cancer. What I said was that when he recovered and returned to aim for the Tour, they cynically played up the cancer angle for personal gain. That is why he is different from all the other dopers. Surely that was obvious from my post.

 

[barn yard]

He helped make NIKE by the way, get this 40 percent of the sports shoe business, worldwide.

i always thought you were a bit crazy but this is proof that you are *really* crazy!

 

[Race Radio]

I have to applaud Polish and Flicker.

Their craptastic ability to completely derail a thread with senseless babble and make it completely unreadable should secure them a prime spot in the new troll hall of fame being erected in Austin

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Lance fans are more intelligent then the haters. Why take time out of a normal work day, or family activity to take abuse from individuals with a biased agenda. Here there are two camps, those who worship Walsh, Kimmage, LeMond, Simeoni. The other group which I belong to accept Lances' shortcomings(Blondes, Olsen twins, excessive gym workouts,) and recognize his great contributions to cycling and sport. He helped make NIKE by the way, get this 40 percent of the sports shoe business, worldwide. He and LeMond are the major players in promoting pro teams, cycling in the USA. I recognize Greg for that too, I raced before him and cycling was stinrays and schwinns then, really toys, hard to find an Atala, Peogot or Gitane.
I think it is ironic that because I believe in Lance and LIVESTRONG that people would hate me. It is scary, think about it.

Ummmmm dude you are a bit wrong. The NIKE brand is a running shoe at the core. The cycling BS is just a small freaking fringe of the business. You may want to actualy research the company and Bill Bowerman! Pre is turning the F over in his grave over your post. BTW "Pre" was the real deal and there will never be a substitute,,,,,just ask Frank Shorter or Bill Rodgers. Please do not pimp out the NIKE name with such loose statistics again. I am drunk and tired and cannot keep up with all the foolishness.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I have to applaud Polish and Flicker.

Their craptastic ability to completely derail a thread with senseless babble and make it completely unreadable should secure them a prime spot in the new troll hall of fame being erected in Austin

This is sophomoric but I have to say BRAVO.... for working in an erection in Austin!

 

[Francois the Postman]

OK, a general reminder to all that we are on the whole OK with small diversions, but the last couple of days have seen far too many threads in nosedives.

And a casual glance shows me it hasn't just been the effort of two people either. Some of the folk complaining the most, and taking threads even further south doing so, are hardly post "poster boys" either.

That has got to stop now.

We have said it before, we tolerate a lot here, and as everyone is here for different things, on the whole, we try to make space for the fun of everyone. As a rule, if you expect people to put up with your little excursions over the strict edge, you're gonna have to put up with them doing it as well.

On the whole we don't mind anyone starting and taking the occasional liberty.

BUT:

the secret to a long life here is knowing when to stop, respect the threads you are in and the posters you are sharing it with. If you like posting "on the edge" or be "edgy", don't ever take over the floor and swamp a thread. Some of you are forgetting that lesson. I seriously advise some people to be very careful with "having fun" for a while. And I don't mean just "those two, or three, or four". It hasn't been just one-way traffic.

Regardless who started it, you're all adults, don't expect much sympathy from me if you didn't get the hint in this post. I mean now. I'll let folk figure out for themselves if this post applied to you or not.

 

[Polish]

I have to applaud Polish and Flicker.

Their craptastic ability to completely derail a thread with senseless babble and make it completely unreadable should secure them a prime spot in the new troll hall of fame being erected in Austin

RR, I don't think this thread was ever on rails to begin with lol.

And if it makes you feel any better, if I get invited down to Austin for the Hall of Fame induction ceremony, I probably won't go either.