Race Radio, anti-RR, Polish and Twitter Campaigns

[Cobblestoned]

Andy will you be posting on here more you think? Would be a big addition to the place.

I would like to echo what Bennotti is saying above by the way.

Holadaittijo...oladaittijo... oladaittijo...oladaittijo.... oladaittijo

Yeah, just fumble each other again and do your prayers. lol

I think we didn't hear the 99er pee or hooker-things for along time now.
Who is first ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ievoopgjA1I

 

[Berzin]

The thing that really gets me is that people like you, regardless of which side you are on, actually believe the nonsense you spew forth. You actually believe that you are doing nothing hypocritical, that it is all the people on the other side who are at fault. I truly can't decide whether to laugh at people like you or feel sorry for people like you...regardless of whether you are pro or anti-LA.

Who exactly put you in charge of the "Hypocrisy Brigade"?

And why does it matter to you what anyone thinks?

If you follow another member's posts closely enough to catch every little hint of contradiction, you seriously need to get a life.

 

[Hampsten88]

Who exactly put you in charge of the "Hypocrisy Brigade"?

And why does it matter to you what anyone thinks?

If you follow another member's posts enough to catch every little hint of contradiction, you seriously need to get a life.

I truly can't figure out if this is supposed to be serious or not.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Let me see if I get this straight, you claim that attacking people for attacking others is not hypocrisy because you claim that you guys are "genuinely discussing PED's" then you go on to rip on all pro-LA people while excusing all anti-LA people and you name specific people as trolls who make me miss out on the "real vibe" of the clinic, people who do the exact same thing you and others who dislike LA do all the time.

Wow, I have to apologize to Dave as he clearly did not provide the best example of what I was talking about since you just blew it out of the water.

The thing that really gets me is that people like you, regardless of which side you are on, actually believe the nonsense you spew forth. You actually believe that you are doing nothing hypocritical, that it is all the people on the other side who are at fault. I truly can't decide whether to laugh at people like you or feel sorry for people like you...regardless of whether you are pro or anti-LA.

"long time lurker, first time poster..."

Hmmm... My spidey-sense is tingling...

 

[Berzin]

I truly can't figure out if this is supposed to be serious or not.

Another useless troll taking a thread off-topic and making it about either themselves or others.

 

[Race Radio]

"long time lurker, first time poster..."

Hmmm... My spidey-sense is tingling...

Yup, How many times have we seen this game?

 

[Hampsten88]

Interesting responses. I have not mentioned anything about being pro or anti-LA and have only stated facts but the anti-LA crowd is coming out in force with insults, attacks and excellent examples of the hypocrisy of which I speak.

As I said previously:

The thing that really gets me is that people like you, regardless of which side you are on, actually believe the nonsense you spew forth. You actually believe that you are doing nothing hypocritical, that it is all the people on the other side who are at fault. I truly can't decide whether to laugh at people like you or feel sorry for people like you...regardless of whether you are pro or anti-LA.

 

[flicker]

Interesting responses. I have not mentioned anything about being pro or anti-LA and have only stated facts but the anti-LA crowd is coming out in force with insults, attacks and excellent examples of the hypocrisy of which I speak.

As I said previously:

The thing that really gets me is that people like you, regardless of which side you are on, actually believe the nonsense you spew forth. You actually believe that you are doing nothing hypocritical, that it is all the people on the other side who are at fault. I truly can't decide whether to laugh at people like you or feel sorry for people like you...regardless of whether you are pro or anti-LA.

One difference between Lance guys and anti-Lance guys. The anti-Lance guys are mighty sensitive and touchy. The Lance guys are solid and thick skinned.

 

[Benotti69]

<snip>.

you need to reread my post, becasue what you claim about it is way off the mark.

 

[pedaling squares]

"long time lurker, first time poster..."

Hmmm... My spidey-sense is tingling...

And, "I joined after reading about Paris-Roubaix but just had to come straight to the Race Radio thread and make my first six posts about the hypocrisy of those who do not like Lance Armstrong." Because following that discussion naturally leads one to this thread instead of the Paris-Roubaix thread.

 

[thehog]

And, "I joined after reading about Paris-Roubaix but just had to come straight to the Race Radio thread and make my first six posts about the hypocrisy of those who do not like Lance Armstrong." Because following that discussion naturally leads one to this thread instead of the Paris-Roubaix thread.

Got him!!!! hahahahahhha! I smell a rat....... hehehe.

 

[Hampsten88]

flickr- No, both extremes are sensitive and touchy and neither resides in any world of being solid and thick skinned.

PedalingSquares- I never said the PR threads had anything to do with this one. Nice try. I'll tell you what, have a mod check my IP and confirm whether I am a previously banned poster or not. You will be very disappointed.

benotti69- No, my post is exactly on the mark.


I can honestly say I have never seen so many posts that provide perfect examples of what someone is saying then what you guys are doing in this thread.

 

[Benotti69]

<snip>

do not feed the troll.

 

[skippythepinhead]

No, both extremes are sensitive and touchy and neither resides in any world of being solid and thick skinned.

I don't get it, what's your point? That everyone's a hypocrite?

Fine. So what. Who cares?

This thread is about getting answers to questions and you want to make it about the questioners and respondents. I get that.

You can deflect all you want, if that's your chosen method of avoiding a discussion of the real issues. If you could possibly consider posting something substantive, though, that would be terrific.

If you need me to formulate a list of questions you might consider answering substantively, I'd be happy to.

 

[flicker]

I don't get it, what's your point? That everyone's a hypocrite?

Fine. So what. Who cares?

This thread is about getting answers to questions and you want to make it about the questioners and respondents. I get that.

You can deflect all you want, if that's your chosen method of avoiding a discussion of the real issues. If you could possibly consider posting something substantive, though, that would be terrific.

If you need me to formulate a list of questions you might consider answering substantively, I'd be happy to.

It is Zippy the Pinhead to you Mr.

 

[pedaling squares]

PedalingSquares- I never said the PR threads had anything to do with this one. Nice try. I'll tell you what, have a mod check my IP and confirm whether I am a previously banned poster or not. You will be very disappointed.

No, I don't think you are that banned guy although I did give it some thought. You have clearly been to school, while the other guy has not. But it has been clear from your opening post that you came here not to discuss cycling but to discuss forum members. I hope that you'll soon tire of that and join in on some discussions. If you liked PR, you'll probably enjoy the next couple of Sundays. I look forward to discussing bike races with you.

 

[Hampsten88]

skippy- Clearly my point was a little too much for you to figure out, so you choose to go on the attack. That seems to be a recurring theme from the anti-LA crowd since I posted. I guess I hit a nerve pointing out facts.

Squares- I have to admit that I am shocked to see you listed as a moderator considering the way you are acting. By the way, I am here to discuss cycling, I just pointed out something very obvious in this thread, that is being substantiated in nearly every response to me. I suppose if people like you benotti and skippy had the balls to simply say "wow, he is dead on" and left it at that, we would be discussing cycling...except this thread is not about cycling at all, it's about hate for LA/Livestrong and anyone who supports them, with a side helping of the extreme pro-LA people serving the same thing back.

benotti69- A true coward fires insults in the face of truth that hits home. Keep firing those insults tough guy.

 

[patricknd]

Got him!!!! hahahahahhha! I smell a rat....... hehehe.

i think it's your feet you're smelling. dude, have a wash !!!

 

[flicker]

Somewhere between the extremes there is truth. We here lob cannon shells, with the truth somewhere hiding in a trench.

 

[cat6cx]

I suppose if people like you benotti and skippy had the balls to simply say "wow, he is dead on" and left it at that, .

I think it's a little unreasonable to make a broad generalization and then expect anyone to say "dead on". By definition, a broad generalization is not dead on.

Are people here opinionated? Yes. Do people personalize arguments that go against their opinion? Yes.

Do you consider this insightful? (not incite-ful)

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Everyone want to cool down here, please? Cool it with the aggressive tones or face some involuntary vacations.....

Susan

 

[Hampsten88]

I think it's a little unreasonable to make a broad generalization and then expect anyone to say "dead on". By definition, a broad generalization is not dead on.

Are people here opinionated? Yes. Do people personalize arguments that go against their opinion? Yes.

Do you consider this insightful? (not incite-ful)

I don't think it was a broad generalization, it was pretty specific and the three people I mentioned happen to be doing precisely what I was talking about. I never said all anti-LA people act that way. As a matter of fact I have seen a number of posters who do not like LA that do not act in the hypocritical manner of which I speak. My comments were about the way the anti-LA people were acting in this thread...but it does happen in nearly every thread about LA. Heck I have even seen threads having nothing to do with LA that turn into this angry anti-LA and anyone who doesn't agree nonsense.

I think it is one thing to be opinionated. You don't like LA, fine, say so, but don't get outraged at pro-LA people ripping on you if you are going to rip on them. The extremes on both sides go well beyond simple opinion. I just see the anti-LA people spend a lot of time denying this and attacking the pro-LA people.

 

[D-Queued]

...I can honestly say I have never seen so many posts that provide perfect examples of what someone is saying then what you guys are doing in this thread.

Are you reinforcing the message or diverting from it?

I don't get it, what's your point? That everyone's a hypocrite?

Fine. So what. Who cares?

This thread is about getting answers to questions and you want to make it about the questioners and respondents. I get that.

You can deflect all you want, if that's your chosen method of avoiding a discussion of the real issues. If you could possibly consider posting something substantive, though, that would be terrific.

If you need me to formulate a list of questions you might consider answering substantively, I'd be happy to.

It started as a thread about targetting the messenger.

If Hampsten88 is targetting the messengers, then it arguably does add or at least illuminate the discussion.

No, I don't think you are that banned guy although I did give it some thought. You have clearly been to school, while the other guy has not. But it has been clear from your opening post that you came here not to discuss cycling but to discuss forum members. I hope that you'll soon tire of that and join in on some discussions. If you liked PR, you'll probably enjoy the next couple of Sundays. I look forward to discussing bike races with you.

I haven't been around long enough to quickly discern the posting style of a notorius 'Clinic' persona.

Yes, H-88 has tried to put up a mirror.

The real question is how broadly reflective H-88 can be.

We humans are genetically programmed to be aware of the new. If you are a new female, you likely get a lot of positive attention. A new male, and we need to figure out if you are friend or foe.

That is normal, ingrained behavior that has nothing to do with whether you are a 'hater' or a 'fanboy'.

Hampsten88 arrived spreading apparent criticism. Even if there is some validity, does cause the radar to go up. It is not yet clear if this is critical observation or cloaked attack. Is there an agenda here, or not?

All good lies leverage a truth.

It is a bold first post to critically comment on the entire community.

Dave.

 

[mewmewmew13]

flickr- No, both extremes are sensitive and touchy and neither resides in any world of being solid and thick skinned.

PedalingSquares- I never said the PR threads had anything to do with this one. Nice try. I'll tell you what, have a mod check my IP and confirm whether I am a previously banned poster or not. You will be very disappointed.

benotti69- No, my post is exactly on the mark.


I can honestly say I have never seen so many posts that provide perfect examples of what someone is saying then what you guys are doing in this thread.

Pedaling Squares is a mod..

 

[skippythepinhead]

Dave, let's say you are correct and it demonstrates bravery to come to "The Clinic" and condemn people who attack others and ridicule their deeply-held beliefs one way or the other. Let's also say that those who attack ad hominem on either side should not be rewarded with attaboys in "The Clinic" or anywhere.

The point I was trying to make is that if you can't find the substantive in someone's post, Occam's Razor suggests the post is not substantive and not worthy of response. I humbly suggest that discussing the quality of the discussion doesn't bravely help as much as leading by example and civilly posting about the subject matter raised by the thread. The poster thought I was attacking him when all I really want to do is discuss the issues raised by Race Radio and others.

I personally had questions about Livestrong/.org/.com a long time before this thread started. I wonder whether Race Radio would consider agreeing to an arbitrator or auditor to help mediate his questioning of the organization and whether they might consent as well and how something like that could be achieved.