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That's for stewards to do, and for fellow spectators to tell them exactly what they are acting like.
Not professional athletes being paid to represent a brand and with a role (much overstated in my opinion) as ambassadors for their sport/country/team/whatever.
Super easy to take the moral high ground while sitting on the couch rather than having to endure the abuse. The fact that fans keep doing this stuff means no effective disciplining mechanism exists. So what are riders supposed to do, endure the abuse of these hooligans who hurt the sport for everyone?
 
Super easy to take the moral high ground while sitting on the couch rather than having to endure the abuse. The fact that fans keep doing this stuff means no effective disciplining mechanism exists. So what are riders supposed to do, endure the abuse of these hooligans who hurt the sport for everyone?
We're both sitting on sofas, so I'm not sure what moral superiority you are claiming.

What should riders do? Ensure that it is reported each and every time that it happens, insist on race organisers employing a reasonable number of stewards, encourage decent supporters to make it clear to these idiots that they are not appreciated. They should also remember that they are paid to promote companies and products, and that they are looked up to.

I have more sympathy for van der Poel if there was beer and urine being thrown at him, but "endure the abuse"? Have you ever been at a football match?

Can you name any profession, or any other sport, where one could respond in that manner to people giving you grief and expect to carry on without sanction?
 
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We're both sitting on sofas, so I'm not sure what moral superiority you are claiming.

What should riders do? Ensure that it is reported each and every time that it happens, insist on race organisers employing a reasonable number of stewards, encourage decent supporters to make it clear to these idiots that they are not appreciated. They should also remember that they are paid to promote companies and products, and that they are looked up to.

I have more sympathy for van der Poel if there was beer and urine being thrown at him, but "endure the abuse"? Have you ever been at a football match?

Can you name any profession, or any other sport, where one could respond in that manner to people giving you grief and expect to carry on without sanction?
What goes on at football matches (and before and after) is an absolute shitshow. But it has, for some reason, become accepted, and basically, everybody turns a blind eye to the kind of *** that happens on match day, which would be considered completely unacceptable in a so-called "civilized" country.
 
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What goes on at football matches (and before and after) is an absolute shitshow. But it has, for some reason, become accepted, and basically, everybody turns a blind eye to the kind of *** that happens on match day, which would be considered completely unacceptable in a so-called "civilized" country.
I agree entirely, but footballers (of whom I don't generally have a very high opinion) show that unnecessary, indefensible verbal abuse can be overcome/ignored/used to fuel positive energy/whatever, but that it is not necessary, or ever helpful, to respond in kind if one is in a position of authority/public standing.

And in terms of putting up with abuse, I'd have a lot more sympathy with police, prison officers and social workers, among others, who cope with it without the distractions of a new lamborghini.
 
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I agree entirely, but footballers (of whom I don't generally have a very high opinion) show that unnecessary, indefensible verbal abuse can be overcome/ignored/used to fuel positive energy/whatever, but that it is not necessary, or ever helpful, to respond in kind if one is in a position of authority/public standing.

And in terms of putting up with abuse, I'd have a lot more sympathy with police, prison officers and social workers, among others, who cope with it without the distractions of a new lamborghini.
And a 20K start fee.
 
Pieterse was brilliant today. Alvarado likewise - the gap she put on Brand on the off-camber section right before the run up was truly impressive. Wonder if Van Empel had any words for Brand after the race re: Brand cutting her off on the downhill.
The women's race was far better than the men's. Also, F any fans who throw urine, beer, and spit on the riders. If you want to be drunk trash, at least have the curtesy of being so in your own home or back yard.
Puck started 2023 winning a CX World Cup in France, and ended the year winning two in Gavere, and Hulst. And in between, had 3 XCO, and 1 XCC World Cups.....and still only 21 years old. I don't think any other rider has done that at her age.
Not enough is being made of her versatility across both disciplines......
 
Puck started 2023 winning a CX World Cup in France, and ended the year winning two in Gavere, and Hulst. And in between, had 3 XCO, and 1 XCC World Cups.....and still only 21 years old. I don't think any other rider has done that at her age.
Not enough is being made of her versatility across both disciplines......
Throw in a fifth place at Strade Bianche as well.
 
Puck started 2023 winning a CX World Cup in France, and ended the year winning two in Gavere, and Hulst. And in between, had 3 XCO, and 1 XCC World Cups.....and still only 21 years old. I don't think any other rider has done that at her age.
Not enough is being made of her versatility across both disciplines......
Add in World Cup Overall Series winner in both Cross Country and Short Track. The only thing she didn't win was the World Championship.
 
We're both sitting on sofas, so I'm not sure what moral superiority you are claiming.

What should riders do? Ensure that it is reported each and every time that it happens, insist on race organisers employing a reasonable number of stewards, encourage decent supporters to make it clear to these idiots that they are not appreciated. They should also remember that they are paid to promote companies and products, and that they are looked up to.
I wonder if you have ever been involved in organizing a cycling event (road race or better: CX)? You would soon realize that the number of stewards desired is always lower than the number of stewards you are either able to pay, or simply, there aren't enough stewards (call them volunteers because that's what they are) the day before the race! Stewards in cycling are often at quite a respectable age, and their main goal is to make sure fans don't cross the course when riders are approaching, and they have to prevent fans from getting on the course as well. But stewards are not police, and contrary to e.g. a football stadium, you can't just silence hooligans in CX as they will just move to another spot on the parcours. Hooligans also flock together and it's hard and sometimes dangerous to intervene (as a steward or a decent supporter).
Riders have given up reporting incidents because they know the race organisers do their very best, and the whole sport lives on volunteers and goodwill. You need a lot of goodwill and positive energy to make a race happen, and it's very easy to not organise a race any more as organising is an uphill battle from the year before getting all permits, medical support, money from sponsors and people involved, let alone a decent field of riders.
I have more sympathy for van der Poel if there was beer and urine being thrown at him, but "endure the abuse"? Have you ever been at a football match?
That's the whole issue: CX is no football, and it has very few 'real' problems with 'fans', except during 2 weeks of winter stop in football (X-mas until beginning of January). As a result, many football fans who are bored for 2 weekends opt to go to a CX race to drink beer and they enjoy the freedom of attending a CX race where they can go where they want (in football, they are often escorted by police towards the fan bus, and have very little room to move, going to and from the stadium, and once in the stadium, they have fixed seats / places). They're also not used how close they can get to the athletes and it shows. For riders, going 30-35K/hr cutting off a curve where some football hooligans are throwing beer, is not only stressing but also a higher risk of crashing. Since the double barriers this has improved a lot, but still it isn't comfortable.
Can you name any profession, or any other sport, where one could respond in that manner to people giving you grief and expect to carry on without sanction?
Well, MvdP got fined as you already know. The fine is low, and I would reckon that, if the UCI / police / organisation could control the event better, the fine could also be higher, because there wouldn't be any excuses. But now there are excuses: a CX is a goodwill event, that only works if people behave, and organisers hope / wish people control eachother (and who wants a cx event policed like in football?). This has benefits for all parties involved: fans get close to the riders, riders feel comfortable, organisers don't need to overly invest in security... But it's a house of cards that can quickly tumble down with hooligans: riders can get unpleasant interactions, can get frustrated and subsequently fined, the year after those riders don't show up, the organiser will have fewer fans showing up and after some years a race can deteriorate and go down the drain. If the UCI wants to fine MvdP more, they have to make sure those hooligans are removed. The fact they only fined him 250 swiss francs indicates they can't / don't want to go that way.
 
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What goes on at football matches (and before and after) is an absolute shitshow. But it has, for some reason, become accepted, and basically, everybody turns a blind eye to the kind of *** that happens on match day, which would be considered completely unacceptable in a so-called "civilized" country.
Society needs a pressure release valve. Unfortunately it's become sporting events. Thus the enthusiasm for barbaric sports like MMA.
 
Society needs a pressure release valve. Unfortunately it's become sporting events. Thus the enthusiasm for barbaric sports like MMA.
Ah, I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with that :sweatsmile: I mean, some may use MMA as a pressure release valve, but I, for one, have just always liked fighting, since I was a 6-year-old kid with not a care in the world, when I used to read articles of WWE events in German sports magazines, not knowing it was just a glorified stunt show, hah.
 
Best Womens race of the year yesterday. Van Empel appears a little below her best recently, Puck is close to her best but still making mistakes which are unusual for her. Alvarado has had 2 bad starts the last 2 races which have pretty much eliminated her chance of victory, but she is absolutely flying, Brand is just Brand, super strong and steady. These 4 have been a level above the rest this year.

So I had to watch the races on replay and had seen a photo of the Van De Poel incident before I watched the race, so was keeping an eye out during the race. I noticed he had more than one interaction with that group of fans during the race, seemed to have words in the earlier laps. Not a nice thing to see, but don't think I can be too hard on him either. Pity Pidcock and Van Aert had their problems as well.
 
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Now for some happier news. After the incident at the World Cup in Gavere, Nystrom initially said he was gonna stop. Well... looks like he was convinced otherwise:

He said Hulst would be his last one. Hopefully he has changed his mind though.

I've got bored searching, but when was the last time there were more dutch riders in the top 10 of the mens world cup than there were belgian riders . Especially with a top 10 of only dutch and belgian riders.

Aside from the Van der Poel incident, there was some pretty good racing in both races, especially the womens. If world cup races were limited to 1 per country, then I'd pick this over Hoogerheide. While being in the christmas period and also having Van der Poel and Van Aert on the start woul've attracted alot of spectators the venue just seems better than the farmers field. Even if that farmers field was completely packed with crazy support for the world champs. It will be interesting to see what the world championships course in Hulst will be like. I read yesterday on it will be somewhere else in or near the city of Hulst rather than the world cup venue due to space, and the planned Perkpolder due to issues with Nitrogen Permits.
 
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Pieterse was brilliant today. Alvarado likewise - the gap she put on Brand on the off-camber section right before the run up was truly impressive. Wonder if Van Empel had any words for Brand after the race re: Brand cutting her off on the downhill.
The women's race was far better than the men's. Also, F any fans who throwand balanced on the bike hence a third urine, beer, and spit on the riders. If you want to be drunk trash, at least have the curtesy of being so in your own home or back yard.

Very bummed about Pidcock's crash. WvA had a very impressive comeback after that mechanical. So, there were some positives in the men's race. VdP brilliant as usual. I was happy to see Van der Haar doing well again. Sweeck rode strongly as well.
I think Nieuwenhuis's ride from a bad start to second place was quite impressive and also that Brand looked better than ever, almost smooth, fast and balanced on the bike hence a solid third place. Alvarado and Pieterse clearly the better riders but Brand a lot better than in previous races.

Van Aert looked absolutely beast and without the chain problem he potentially could have challenged Van der Poel who however could ride well within his limits throughout the race.

Also good to see Pidcock not giving up despite a really bad mishap, that's the spirit. And on a sidenote; this is why I am not a big fan of Iserbyt who once again DNFd, a common pattern of his when not having the "best of days". That's not only letting your fans down, the organizers, the team and the competitors but also yourself. Iserbyt is probably the top rider with most DNFs on his record and I'm not impressed.
 
Super easy to take the moral high ground while sitting on the couch rather than having to endure the abuse. The fact that fans keep doing this stuff means no effective disciplining mechanism exists. So what are riders supposed to do, endure the abuse of these hooligans who hurt the sport for everyone?
I wonder if it wouldn't have been worth for MVDP to do like Sven Nys did a couple of years ago. Stop racing, get off the bike and confront the idiots and hold them responsible for their actions. Probably he would have won the moral high ground and these abusers might have been banished from the field. With his streak of wins it could have been worth it?
 
In all the "excitement" about the MVDP incident, I don't see any discussion of the two racing incidents yesterday with the other two big names. Definitely a lot of hard racing out there yesterday. Could have been a really great race to watch if Pidcock and Wout didn't get held up. Maybe Baal will deliver, but Hulst is an awesome course.
 
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