Radioshack Crying after Lombardia snub

[SpartacusRox]

At the end of the day it was nonsense that RS were not invited to the Vuelta but given that the race has just been turned into a warmup for the worlds for many non Spanish riders, maybe that was a good thing. As a GT it is a very distant third and if you take the antics of Schleck and O'Grady into consideration it seems to have taken on the status as a three week wine(or beer) and food tour. The Tour of Britain has been more interesting to watch.

With regards to Lombardia, I am sure the fans want to see the best teams in the races that they watch and I for one am thankful that as from next year a teams participation in bigger races will be decided on their ranking rather than petty politics.

 

[Mellow Velo]

At the end of the day it was nonsense that RS were not invited to the Vuelta but given that the race has just been turned into a warmup for the worlds for many non Spanish riders, maybe that was a good thing. As a GT it is a very distant third and if you take the antics of Schleck and O'Grady into consideration it seems to have taken on the status as a three week wine(or beer) and food tour. The Tour of Britain has been more interesting to watch.

I see you have been banging on about the same theme, in the TDU thread.
Yes, the Vuelta is a Worlds tune up for many riders. Since RS don't have much interest in the Worlds, it is no great loss to them. Amazing really, when you start to look at the amount of the RR calender that isn't of much interest to them.

However, there has still been plenty of interest in the GC of this GT and the overall race has been far more entertaining than recent past editions.
Saturday's grand finale climb should prove spectacular.

Besides, we are constantly being told that The Tour of California is an excellent training ride for the Tour and yet is now considered by some to be the second most important race of the year.

 

[kurtinsc]

I see you have been banging on about the same theme, in the TDU thread.
Yes, the Vuelta is a Worlds tune up for many riders. Since RS don't have much interest in the Worlds, it is no great loss to them. Amazing really, when you start to look at the amount of the RR calender that isn't of much interest to them.

However, there has still been plenty of interest in the GC of this GT and the overall race has been far more entertaining than recent past editions.
Saturday's grand finale climb should prove spectacular.

Besides, we are constantly being told that The Tour of California is an excellent training ride for the Tour and yet is now considered by some to be the second most important race of the year.

I'm a bit confused by this post.

I think it was a big loss to RS. After failing at the Tour, a good GC showing at the Vuelta was their chance to try to have their season seem to show some promise.

If Bruyneel still had Contador and had come off of a Tour win... then yeah, I'm sure his team wouldn't care much about the Vuelta. But this year, RS would have had a big interest in showing something.

 

[ultimobici]

I'm a bit confused by this post.

I think it was a big loss to RS. After failing at the Tour, a good GC showing at the Vuelta was their chance to try to have their season seem to show some promise.

If Bruyneel still had Contador and had come off of a Tour win... then yeah, I'm sure his team wouldn't care much about the Vuelta. But this year, RS would have had a big interest in showing something.

Why should the Vuelta organisers take TRS's season into account? They are looking to invite the most sporting field to contest the race. TRS have one draw on their roster. only problem is LA wouldn't be riding. Add in the fact that they've known since June yet didn't elect to complain at all about their exclusion and one can see that RCS could draw the conclusion that TRS didn't give a rat's **** about being excluded from Lombardia.

Prediction- 1. TRS will not place in the top 10 at all.
2. TRS will not go on beyond 2011

 

[kurtinsc]

Why should the Vuelta organisers take TRS's season into account? They are looking to invite the most sporting field to contest the race. TRS have one draw on their roster. only problem is LA wouldn't be riding. Add in the fact that they've known since June yet didn't elect to complain at all about their exclusion and one can see that RCS could draw the conclusion that TRS didn't give a rat's **** about being excluded from Lombardia.

Prediction- 1. TRS will not place in the top 10 at all.
2. TRS will not go on beyond 2011

That's great... what does that have to do with what I posted?

Melo said not riding the Vuelta was no great loss to RS (or at least that's what I think he meant).

I said it was a big loss to their team.

What the organizers should do doesn't factor in to that in any way. Of course they have the right to not invite Radioshack. I personally would have liked to see a team with a lot of stage racers who was motivated to do well in the race... but the organizers had every right to not invite them.

None of that changes the fact it was a big loss to the RS team not to be there.


And as for the results... I think a RS rider will finish somewhere between 5th and 15th. You may end up being right with your prediction... but I doubt RS will miss the top 10 by much if they do not make it. They have a few riders who are suited to the course.

And I agree... RS ends after the 2011 season.

 

[La Pandera]

At the end of the day it was nonsense that RS were not invited to the Vuelta but given that the race has just been turned into a warmup for the worlds for many non Spanish riders, maybe that was a good thing. As a GT it is a very distant third and if you take the antics of Schleck and O'Grady into consideration it seems to have taken on the status as a three week wine(or beer) and food tour. The Tour of Britain has been more interesting to watch.

With regards to Lombardia, I am sure the fans want to see the best teams in the races that they watch and I for one am thankful that as from next year a teams participation in bigger races will be decided on their ranking rather than petty politics.

A weak point in using AS and O'Grady's Vuelta antics as a barometer in guaging the Vuelta's overall importance. I think Frank, Nibali and a host of other foreigners would beg to differ.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Kurt, it was SpartacusRox who said that riding the Vuelta was of little importance to RS, since it was little more than a training ride for the Worlds.

My reply was sarcastic, as I agree with you. A GT, should you wish to participate, is always a big deal.
Read it with that in mind and you can see that it was more a response to the "validity" of the Vuelta, rather than the omission of the Shack.

SR can blowhard all he wants about the Vuelta being a training ride, but we all know that isn't the case.

 

[Cobblestoned]

So, who is crying now ?
I see many people crying here now, except of RS.

Perhaps change the topic into: Haters crying after RS included in Lombardia

 

[Mellow Velo]

So, who is crying now ?
I see many people crying here now, except of RS.

Perhaps change the topic into: Haters crying after RS included in Lombardia

I don't see anybody crying now. Clearly, RS fans were upset by their exclusion from Lombardy.
Now, the debate has moved on, ( at least for the more level headed amongst us) to how they make this logistical change.
Most would not wish to see one unfair decision revoked, only to be replaced by another unfair decision.

Trolling for a reaction where there is none........

 

[Cobblestoned]

I don't see anybody crying now. Clearly, RS fans were upset by their exclusion from Lombardy.
Now, the debate has moved on, ( at least for the more level headed amongst us) to how they make this logistical change.
Most would not wish to see one unfair decision revoked, only to be replaced by another unfair decision.

Trolling for a reaction where there is none........

Yes, of course not

 

[this_is_edie]

I don't see anybody crying now. Clearly, RS fans were upset by their exclusion from Lombardy.
Now, the debate has moved on, ( at least for the more level headed amongst us) to how they make this logistical change.
Most would not wish to see one unfair decision revoked, only to be replaced by another unfair decision.

Trolling for a reaction where there is none........

Please do not quote 'stoned. thanks!

 

[kurtinsc]

Please do not quote 'stoned. thanks!

Please don't ask people not to quote others.

With the number of users, I'm willing to bet most are "ignored" by someone. If we are all forced to not quote anyone put on ignore by anyone else... then you might as well just turn off the ability to quote anyone.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Please do not quote 'stoned. thanks!

Yes, please follow the mobbing-campagne !

 

[theswordsman]

I understand that Telesport can be a pretty lousy and unreliable source of information, but this one was too good not to share. I wondered what ever came of The Shack's flouting of rules by wearing a different jersey without getting clearance first, delaying the race, and wearing the jerseys on the podium after they were told not to. Telesport editors seem to think it could cause end of year suspensions for squad members, which would mean, let's check the calendar...those riders couldn't race Giro di Lombardia And so the circle of life continues.

Soon to Armstrong and his teammates from the Tour to account for the UCI. Perhaps a suspension and may Armstrong bicycle parking two months. The Boss That will also not bother with that: his season after the Tour was already over. The other drivers in those cases one month stay on the side, that their early season comes to an end

Mogelijk volgt een schorsing en kan Armstrong zijn fiets twee maanden parkeren. Daar zal The Boss overigens niet van wakker liggen: zijn seizoen was al na de Tour voorbij. De overige coureurs moeten in dat geval een maand aan de kant blijven, waarmee hun seizoen vroegtijdig tot een einde komt.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/w...Armstrong_krijgt_staartje__.html?sn=telesport

 

[flicker]

I understand that Telesport can be a pretty lousy and unreliable source of information, but this one was too good not to share. I wondered what ever came of The Shack's flouting of rules by wearing a different jersey without getting clearance first, delaying the race, and wearing the jerseys on the podium after they were told not to. Telesport editors seem to think it could cause end of year suspensions for squad members, which would mean, let's check the calendar...those riders couldn't race Giro di Lombardia And so the circle of life continues.

Let us hope the suspension does not get lost in the Italian mail sytem! It is noted for its' unreliability

http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/w...Armstrong_krijgt_staartje__.html?sn=telesport

Yeah, do you really think that wearing the wrong color jersey or stopping during a race is a penalty worthy of a suspension?

 

[El Pistolero]

I'd say let's ban Cancellara for abondening the Vuelta today! Make it last till 4 octobor or something.

 

[ScottyMuser]

hmm, taken me a while to realise that RS was added to the RCS after bullying techniques from Brunyeel. Something we shouldn't have in any sport. Let's ope in private the organisers al have meetings and agree next year to not invite RS to *Anything* (obviously except the stupid PT, but theres almost no intteresting/good races in there so thats not a big deal).

Let's be honest, there is at *least* two teams who deserve to go to the Lombardia ahead of RS, given that they would actually compete to win, AND attempt to liven the race up with attacks - TSV and most of all Vacansoleil.

I mean, what does poor Vacansoleil have to do to get invites? They have pretty much been one of the best teams this year, enlivened up *every* race they have been to, have one of the best squads for this type of race around (Leukemans for instance) *AND* spend oddles of cash sponsoring UCI/ASO races through the calendar yet nothing to anything. Ridiculous. then RS and Sky turn up, throw cash around, get some dull, mediocre racers fpr the GTs, win almost nothing (save Brajkovic in PN) and get invites to almost anything they want (in RS not the Vuelta as obvviously they annoyed people enough in spain, but are then able to use mob Bullying tactics to get there way for this)

/Rant over

 

[kurtinsc]

hmm, taken me a while to realise that RS was added to the RCS after bullying techniques from Brunyeel. Something we shouldn't have in any sport. Let's ope in private the organisers al have meetings and agree next year to not invite RS to *Anything* (obviously except the stupid PT, but theres almost no intteresting/good races in there so thats not a big deal).

Let's be honest, there is at *least* two teams who deserve to go to the Lombardia ahead of RS, given that they would actually compete to win, AND attempt to liven the race up with attacks - TSV and most of all Vacansoleil.

I mean, what does poor Vacansoleil have to do to get invites? They have pretty much been one of the best teams this year, enlivened up *every* race they have been to, have one of the best squads for this type of race around (Leukemans for instance) *AND* spend oddles of cash sponsoring UCI/ASO races through the calendar yet nothing to anything. Ridiculous. then RS and Sky turn up, throw cash around, get some dull, mediocre racers fpr the GTs, win almost nothing (save Brajkovic in PN) and get invites to almost anything they want (in RS not the Vuelta as obvviously they annoyed people enough in spain, but are then able to use mob Bullying tactics to get there way for this)

/Rant over

They're in because they were invited... then the invitation was removed.

RS has a rider who has several Lombardia top 10's in Horner, and another that finished 2nd in Brajkovic.

I know people don't like Radioshack... but they DO have riders who can and will compete in the event.

 

[thehog]

Obviously they didn't get their start. I didn't see them in them in the race.

 

[Arnout]

I saw Zubeldia being active to be fair.

 

[euanli]

Horner attacked at 50km but didn't really do anything. It was a puzzling attack.

 

[thehog]

Horner attacked at 50km but didn't really do anything. It was a puzzling attack.

Yes back in the day that attack would have stuck. So easy to be a tactical genius with 300km in the blood tank.

 

[scribe]

American sponsors will take note. The sport isn't worth the pettiness, particularly from 2 nations (ITA, ESP) with the most offenses.

Euro's want their sport back, by any means necessary.

 

[Arnout]

Yeah its not the non Euro's did bring anything good to our sport

Generalization of course, the Aussies are oke.

 

[LugHugger]

Euro's want their sport back, by any means necessary.

Yep, I'm sure that HTC, Garmin and BMC feel that they're not given opportunities in Europe

TRS are a fourth rate team. No one placed in the top 20 finishers. I'm not surprised that the invitation was withdrawn. It's a shame RCS didn't have the courage of their convictions and invite another more deserving team to the start line today.