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Mellow Velo said:
What sort of speeds do the Gila peloton race at? I've no idea. Is it around the 37kph mark?
If so, I'm trying to figure out whether if Armstrong is animated, he's racing within a training ride, or if he sits mid peloton, he's training at a training ride.

Or, if the speeds are similar to say Romandie, which is on at the same time, with speeds around the 41kph mark, whereby he's either racing, or training in a proper racing environment.

Is RS sending a team to Romandie? Do we know anything about the makeup of the team if they are?
 
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Elsewhere in the Forum is a conversation about a Russian interview with Popovych where he listed reasons why Radio Shack isn't in the Giro, saying they blacklisted the race last year, but that the main reason was a financial disagreement between Armstrong and Zomegnan.

That, and the Tour Of California squad, got me wondering. If Lance does decide to race the Tour de Suisse, will Radio Shack enter the Criterium du Dauphine Libere, and if so, which riders will they send where? There's a two day overlap, so it has to be either/or. Farrar's stage win at the Giro today moved Garmin ahead of Radio Shack in the UCI rankings, Quick Step passed then earlier, and Sky has them in their sights. They can't afford to blow off another UCI event, and I doubt that the ASO would look kindly on a no show after giving them a Wild Card for the Tour.

So, would Lance be willing to ride a nine day stage race just before the Tour with a team that's weaker than the ATOC squad? Would Radio Shack be willing to send a "B Team" and have the world measure them against Contador and others on a stage finish on the Alpe d'Huez?
 
theswordsman said:
Elsewhere in the Forum is a conversation about a Russian interview with Popovych where he listed reasons why Radio Shack isn't in the Giro, saying they blacklisted the race last year, but that the main reason was a financial disagreement between Armstrong and Zomegnan.

That, and the Tour Of California squad, got me wondering. If Lance does decide to race the Tour de Suisse, will Radio Shack enter the Criterium du Dauphine Libere, and if so, which riders will they send where? There's a two day overlap, so it has to be either/or. Farrar's stage win at the Giro today moved Garmin ahead of Radio Shack in the UCI rankings, Quick Step passed then earlier, and Sky has them in their sights. They can't afford to blow off another UCI event, and I doubt that the ASO would look kindly on a no show after giving them a Wild Card for the Tour.

So, would Lance be willing to ride a nine day stage race just before the Tour with a team that's weaker than the ATOC squad? Would Radio Shack be willing to send a "B Team" and have the world measure them against Contador and others on a stage finish on the Alpe d'Huez?

I don't think Lance is going to either race to get results, so I don't think, in the grand scheme of things it will matter much. They will, in all likelihood, split the team with Levi going to the Dauphine (he prefers the race), but others like Kloden and Armstrong going to the Dauphine. They have enough riders to have pretty stocked teams for both events. What I'm almost certain about is that Lance will not race the Dauphine--even though it would probably serve as better preparation for the 2010 TdF (especially with his 50KM TT).
 
theswordsman said:
Elsewhere in the Forum is a conversation about a Russian interview with Popovych where he listed reasons why Radio Shack isn't in the Giro, saying they blacklisted the race last year, but that the main reason was a financial disagreement between Armstrong and Zomegnan.

That, and the Tour Of California squad, got me wondering. If Lance does decide to race the Tour de Suisse, will Radio Shack enter the Criterium du Dauphine Libere, and if so, which riders will they send where? There's a two day overlap, so it has to be either/or. Farrar's stage win at the Giro today moved Garmin ahead of Radio Shack in the UCI rankings, Quick Step passed then earlier, and Sky has them in their sights. They can't afford to blow off another UCI event, and I doubt that the ASO would look kindly on a no show after giving them a Wild Card for the Tour.

So, would Lance be willing to ride a nine day stage race just before the Tour with a team that's weaker than the ATOC squad? Would Radio Shack be willing to send a "B Team" and have the world measure them against Contador and others on a stage finish on the Alpe d'Huez?

Normally I’m smart. But I’m not following. What does the UCI points have to do with anything? What will happen if they don’t make up the required points? Given that they received a ProTour licence with a handshake what going to stop them from being invited to future races?
 
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thehog said:
Normally I’m smart. But I’m not following. What does the UCI points have to do with anything? What will happen if they don’t make up the required points? Given that they received a ProTour licence with a handshake what going to stop them from being invited to future races?

RS with Lance = PT bending over backwards to get them in races.

RS without Lance = RS needs the points.

At least that's my guess as to what he's getting at.
 
kurtinsc said:
RS with Lance = PT bending over backwards to get them in races.

RS without Lance = RS needs the points.

At least that's my guess as to what he's getting at.

I believe next year entry into the TdF will be based on UCI points earned by the team in the previous year. I don't the specifics but I believe the Swordsman does.
 
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Publicus said:
I believe next year entry into the TdF will be based on UCI points earned by the team in the previous year. I don't the specifics but I believe the Swordsman does.

Top 17 in UCI rankings get in automatically I think.

But even if RS didn't make that cut (and they likely will), they'd still get a wildcard with Lance riding. They got a wildcard this year too... they weren't automatically qualified.

Without him... probably not.
 
kurtinsc said:
Top 17 in UCI rankings get in automatically I think.

But even if RS didn't make that cut (and they likely will), they'd still get a wildcard with Lance riding. They got a wildcard this year too... they weren't automatically qualified.

Without him... probably not.

I think it will depend on how things play out this year.
 
kurtinsc said:
Top 17 in UCI rankings get in automatically I think.

But even if RS didn't make that cut (and they likely will), they'd still get a wildcard with Lance riding. They got a wildcard this year too... they weren't automatically qualified.

Without him... probably not.



You think a team with Leipheimer, Klöden, Horner and Steegmans wouldn't get a tour invite?
 
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Oldman said:
They'll be a strong vehicle for their sponsor at the Tour of California and will garner lots of press time. Expect a "mission accomplished" type of speech from someone if Levi wins. If they don't nail that down after turning their back on the Giro the season is in jeopardy.

Exactly. If they don't win the ToC, the season is a bust. I guess they still target the Vuelta.
 
richwagmn said:
Exactly. If they don't win the ToC, the season is a bust. I guess they still target the Vuelta.

RS should win. If they don't they're stupid. Every other team bar maybe Garmin are giving them the race. Thats how it works.

The Saxo Bank riders have been hitting the clubs and can barely get out of bed to ride their bikes.
 
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I love keeping this thread alive. Radio Shack skipped the Giro d'Italia. In a recent interview, Popovych said it was mostly because Armstrong and Zomegnan disagreed about money. Radio Shack claimed it was because they needed the Dream Team in California, where they had a rider finish third.

Meanwhile, other teams just completed a really good edition of the Giro, earning UCI points along the way. Quick Step, Garmin, and today Androni Giocattoli passed them in the UCI rankings which will be out tomorrow. They should be down to sixteenth place, with Sky knocking on the door.

I hope that everyone who is so certain the team will still be around in 2011 and invited to the Tour de France will find somewhere that you can make that bet. And isn't it kind of sad that the team that came in claiming greatness has fans clinging to the hope that even if the team isn't one of the seventeen best this year, they'll still be invited to things because of their awesomeness?
 

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theswordsman said:
I love keeping this thread alive.

I hope that everyone who is so certain the team will still be around in 2011 and invited to the Tour de France will find somewhere that you can make that bet.

Yes, theswordsman, the Shack is still around lol.

And The Shack just won the Team Classification at The "Route of the Sun."
Also 4 riders in the top 13. Top and bottom Podium spots too.

Teams classification
1 Team RadioShack 49:22:15
2 Sky Procycling 0:00:18
3 Movistar Team 0:00:24
4 Katusha Team 0:01:10
5 Rabobank Cycling Team 0:01:24
6 Omega Pharma-Lotto 0:01:25
7 Andalucia Caja Granada 0:01:26
8 Geox-TMC 0:01:35
9 Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team 0:01:36
10 Euskaltel-Euskadi 0:03:29

Final general classification
1 Markel Irizar Aranburu (Spa) Team RadioShack 16:27:21
2 Jurgen Van Den Broeck (Bel) Omega Pharma-Lotto 0:00:01
3 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Team RadioShack 0:00:02
4 Jerome Coppel (Fra) Saur - Sojasun 0:00:03
5 Luis Pasamontes Rodriguez (Spa) Movistar Team 0:00:08
6 Thomas Lövkvist (Swe) Sky Procycling
7 Rigoberto Uran Uran (Col) Sky Procycling 0:00:09
8 Haimar Zubeldia Agirre (Spa) Team RadioShack 0:00:12
9 Samuel Sanchez Gonzalez (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0:00:16
10 Ivan Rovny (Rus) Team RadioShack 0:00:18
11 Beñat Intxausti Elorriaga (Spa) Movistar Team
12 Leopold Konig (Cze) Team Netapp
13 Fränk Schleck (Lux) Leopard Trek 0:00:20
 

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Polish said:
Yes, theswordsman, the Shack is still around lol.

And The Shack just won the Team Classification at The "Route of the Sun."
Also 4 riders in the top 13. Top and bottom Podium spots too.

Teams classification
1 Team RadioShack 49:22:15
2 Sky Procycling 0:00:18
3 Movistar Team 0:00:24
4 Katusha Team 0:01:10
5 Rabobank Cycling Team 0:01:24
6 Omega Pharma-Lotto 0:01:25
7 Andalucia Caja Granada 0:01:26
8 Geox-TMC 0:01:35
9 Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team 0:01:36
10 Euskaltel-Euskadi 0:03:29

Final general classification
1 Markel Irizar Aranburu (Spa) Team RadioShack 16:27:21
2 Jurgen Van Den Broeck (Bel) Omega Pharma-Lotto 0:00:01
3 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Team RadioShack 0:00:02
4 Jerome Coppel (Fra) Saur - Sojasun 0:00:03
5 Luis Pasamontes Rodriguez (Spa) Movistar Team 0:00:08
6 Thomas Lövkvist (Swe) Sky Procycling
7 Rigoberto Uran Uran (Col) Sky Procycling 0:00:09
8 Haimar Zubeldia Agirre (Spa) Team RadioShack 0:00:12
9 Samuel Sanchez Gonzalez (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0:00:16
10 Ivan Rovny (Rus) Team RadioShack 0:00:18
11 Beñat Intxausti Elorriaga (Spa) Movistar Team
12 Leopold Konig (Cze) Team Netapp
13 Fränk Schleck (Lux) Leopard Trek 0:00:20

Epic riders in the top 13!
 

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Libertine Seguros said:
Well done to them. They managed to do a good prologue and then outclimb Jimmy Engoulvent.

Evidently this is proof that they'll win the Tour.

Markel Irizar has had testicular cancer. Maybe this is the year he starts his incredible run of GT victories.

You mean testicular cancer, #1 killer of 20-30 year olds. Are you trying to be funny? I did not see the joke.
 
Polish said:
Yes, theswordsman, the Shack is still around lol.

And The Shack just won the Team Classification at The "Route of the Sun."
Also 4 riders in the top 13. Top and bottom Podium spots too.

Teams classification
1 Team RadioShack 49:22:15
2 Sky Procycling 0:00:18
3 Movistar Team 0:00:24
4 Katusha Team 0:01:10
5 Rabobank Cycling Team 0:01:24
6 Omega Pharma-Lotto 0:01:25
7 Andalucia Caja Granada 0:01:26
8 Geox-TMC 0:01:35
9 Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team 0:01:36
10 Euskaltel-Euskadi 0:03:29

Final general classification
1 Markel Irizar Aranburu (Spa) Team RadioShack 16:27:21
2 Jurgen Van Den Broeck (Bel) Omega Pharma-Lotto 0:00:01
3 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Team RadioShack 0:00:02
4 Jerome Coppel (Fra) Saur - Sojasun 0:00:03
5 Luis Pasamontes Rodriguez (Spa) Movistar Team 0:00:08
6 Thomas Lövkvist (Swe) Sky Procycling
7 Rigoberto Uran Uran (Col) Sky Procycling 0:00:09
8 Haimar Zubeldia Agirre (Spa) Team RadioShack 0:00:12
9 Samuel Sanchez Gonzalez (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0:00:16
10 Ivan Rovny (Rus) Team RadioShack 0:00:18
11 Beñat Intxausti Elorriaga (Spa) Movistar Team
12 Leopold Konig (Cze) Team Netapp
13 Fränk Schleck (Lux) Leopard Trek 0:00:20

...but when the big stage races that their team is built around take place I really don't see anyone from their roster being a factor with the possible exception of Brajkovic and just maybe Machado. They will be absent from the action in all of the grand tours which used to be their bread and butter. What they have to look forward to is Leipheimer losing another Tour of California and maybe throttling the domestic riders in the Tour of Utah.
 

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