Radioshack powerhouse

[Polish]

THEY SUCK.

Do you mean that in a bad way?

But c'mon...

First Belgian to win a Belgian Race so far this year....
First American to win the Tour of the Basque Country...

Rider Team
1924 FRA Pelissier, FrancisFrancis Pélissier (FRA)
1925 BEL Verdyck, AugusteAuguste Verdyck (BEL)
1926 LUX Frantz, NicolasNicolas Frantz (LUX)
1927 FRA Fontan, VictorVictor Fontan (FRA)
1928 BEL De Waele, MauriceMaurice De Waele (BEL)
1929 BEL De Waele, MauriceMaurice De Waele (BEL)
1930 ESP Canardo, MarianoMariano Cañardo (ESP)
1931-
1934 ~ No race
1935 ITA Bartali, GinoGino Bartali (ITA)
1936-
1968 ~ No race
1969 FRA Anquetil, JacquesJacques Anquetil (FRA)
1970 ESP Santamarina, Luis PedroLuis Pedro Santamarina (ESP)
1971 ESP Ocana, LuisLuis Ocaña (ESP)
1972 ESP Gonzalez, Jose AntonioJosé Antonio González (ESP)
1973 ESP Ocana, LuisLuis Ocaña (ESP)
1974 ESP Lasa, Miguel-MariaMiguel-Maria Lasa (ESP)
1975 ESP Gonzalez, Jose AntonioJosé Antonio González (ESP)
1976 ITA Baronchelli, GianbattistaGianbattista Baronchelli (ITA)
1977 ESP Gonzalez, Jose AntonioJosé Antonio González (ESP)
1978 ESP Gonzalez, Jose AntonioJosé Antonio González (ESP)
1979 ITA Battaglin, GiovanniGiovanni Battaglin (ITA)
1980 ESP Fernandez, AlbertoAlberto Fernández (ESP)
1981 ITA Contini, SilvanoSilvano Contini (ITA)
1982 ESP Laguia, Jose LuisJosé-Luis Laguia (ESP)
1983 ESP Gorospe, JulianJulian Gorospe (ESP)
1984 IRL Kelly, SeanSean Kelly (IRL)
1985 ESP Ruiz-Cabestany, PelloPello Ruiz-Cabestany (ESP)
1986 IRL Kelly, SeanSean Kelly (IRL)
1987 IRL Kelly, SeanSean Kelly (IRL)
1988 NED Breukink, ErikErik Breukink (NED)
1989 IRL Roche, StephenStephen Roche (IRL)
1990 ESP Gorospe, JulianJulian Gorospe (ESP)
1991 ITA Chiappucci, ClaudioClaudio Chiappucci (ITA)
1992 SUI Rominger, TonyTony Rominger (SUI)
1993 SUI Rominger, TonyTony Rominger (SUI)
1994 SUI Rominger, TonyTony Rominger (SUI)
1995 SUI Zulle, AlexAlex Zülle (SUI)
1996 ITA Casagrande, FrancescoFrancesco Casagrande (ITA)
1997 SUI Zulle, AlexAlex Zülle (SUI)
1998 ESP Cuesta, InigoÍñigo Cuesta (ESP)
1999 FRA Jalabert, LaurentLaurent Jalabert (FRA)
2000 GER Kloden, AndreasAndreas Klöden (GER)
2001 LTU Rumsas, RaimondasRaimondas Rumšas (LTU)
2002 ESP Osa, AitorAitor Osa (ESP)
2003 ESP Mayo, IbanIban Mayo (ESP)
2004 RUS Menchov, DenisDenis Menchov (RUS)
2005 ITA Di Luca, DaniloDanilo Di Luca (ITA) Liquigas-Bianchi
2006 ESP Gomez Merchante, Marchante (ESP) Saunier Duval-Prodir
2007 ESP Cobo, Juan JoseJuan José Cobo (ESP) Saunier Duval-Prodir
2008 ESP Contador, AlbertoAlberto Contador (ESP) Astana
2009 ESP Contador, AlbertoAlberto Contador (ESP) Astana
2010 USA Horner, ChrisChris Horner (USA) Team RadioShack

 

[Boeing]

Stay tuned for more of what? Armstrong has done absolutely nothing in his early season campaign and dropped out of the European scene altogether for the time being because he doesn't have the ball(s) to face Contador head-to-head in the Spring Classics.

Even for an unrepentant fanboy, your points are ridiculous.

Who cares what Radio Shack does in minor races? Do they have any contenders for Leige, Fleche and Amstel Gold? They certainly had no one in Flanders and Roubiax...yeah, they're a hell of a team.

THEY SUCK. ALL THE TWEETS IN THE WORLD WON'T CHANGE THIS.

are you for real bro? they suck. well maybe but at least they don't suck wheel in the "minor" races like Sky

 

[Mellow Velo]

Did somebody here just call the Paris-Roubaix a minor race?
The Shack have had a good week, no question.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Honestly, it would be a real shame if the dislike of Armstrong spread to his teammates simply because they're making a living and fulfilling their contractual obligations. There's no reason to dislike Roessler or Horner or Machado simply because they're on the same team as Lance. They're doing their job, which is to race hard and race to win.

 

[Publicus]

Honestly, it would be a real shame if the dislike of Armstrong spread to his teammates simply because they're making a living and fulfilling their contractual obligations. There's no reason to dislike Roessler or Horner or Machado simply because they're on the same team as Lance. They're doing their job, which is to race hard and race to win.

+1000 Hard to criticize guys for doing their jobs and doing them well.

 

[kurtinsc]

No, you argued that a number that you completely made up is significant even though it obviously would not qualify as a significant stake in Demand Media. It was some sort of weird pretzel logic where Demand Media's own description of Armstrong having a signficant stake in the company somehow does not really mean significant.

Do you think Bill Gates has a "significant" stake in Microsoft?

Because he only owns between 7-8% (it varies).

My point (which you apparently don't understand) is that your view of the term is NOT what people in large businesses view the term to mean. A 1-2 percent stake in a billion dollar business IS considered significant by anyone involved in companies of that size.

You refuse to believe it... and that's fine. But you're view of what the term means doesn't make much sense when you look at how large individual stakes in big companies that we do have financials for are.

 

[kurtinsc]

Stay tuned for more of what? Armstrong has done absolutely nothing in his early season campaign and dropped out of the European scene altogether for the time being because he doesn't have the ball(s) to face Contador head-to-head in the Spring Classics.

Even for an unrepentant fanboy, your points are ridiculous.

Who cares what Radio Shack does in minor races? Do they have any contenders for Leige, Fleche and Amstel Gold? They certainly had no one in Flanders and Roubiax...yeah, they're a hell of a team.

THEY SUCK. ALL THE TWEETS IN THE WORLD WON'T CHANGE THIS.

Well, in defense of RS, theguy they signed to lead the cobbles had a crash that has sidelined him (Steegmans) and Lance did finish with the group who's first rider finished 5th.

RS is a stage race based team. I don't see them as all that different as Euskatel in terms of the team focus and the types of riders they've signed.

 

[Publicus]

Do you think Bill Gates has a "significant" stake in Microsoft?

Because he only owns between 7-8% (it varies).

My point (which you apparently don't understand) is that your view of the term is NOT what people in large businesses view the term to mean. A 1-2 percent stake in a billion dollar business IS considered significant by anyone involved in companies of that size.

You refuse to believe it... and that's fine. But you're view of what the term means doesn't make much sense when you look at how large individual stakes in big companies that we do have financials for are.

As far as I can tell, we've just accepted Demand Media's characterization of his stake and left it at that. What you gain by this argument is beyond me, but it's your horse to flog as you wish.

 

[BroDeal]

As far as I can tell, we've just accepted Demand Media's characterization of his stake and left it at that. What you gain by this argument is beyond me, but it's your horse to flog as you wish.

I think it is pretty obvious. Kurt has continuously argued that Armstrong is not exploiting his charity and cancer victims for his own personal financial gain. Evidently if he can make people believe that Armstrong only profited to the tune of $20 million instead of $80 million that makes Armstrong's dispicable behavior okay. Thus he spends post after post arguing against Demand Media's own characterization of Armstrong's holdings in the company using numbers that he pulls out of thin air, numbers that, as long as we are making them up, could easily be several times higher..

 

[kurtinsc]

As far as I can tell, we've just accepted Demand Media's characterization of his stake and left it at that. What you gain by this argument is beyond me, but it's your horse to flog as you wish.

Well as for flogging... I don't believe I'm the one bringing the subject up repeatedly in threads that the original conversation is not part of.

As it stands... the only reason it even came up in the other thread was that people were implying that Lance was somehow trying to get people to mistakenly donate to livestrong.com rather then livestrong.org so he could make money off the donations.

My point was that it would be stupid for him to do that because he likely only owns 1-2% of Demand media at the most. Then I got jumped on because their press release said his stake was "significant".

1-2% IS significant if a company is worth a billion dollars.

But this should probably be limited to the thread the conversation was in to begin with. I'll point out that I wasn't the one to bring it over here.

 

[kurtinsc]

I think it is pretty obvious. Kurt has continuously argued that Armstrong is not exploiting his charity and cancer victims for his own personal financial gain. Evidently if he can make people believe that Armstrong only profited to the tune of $20 million instead of $80 million that makes Armstrong's dispicable behavior okay. Thus he spends post after post arguing against Demand Media's own characterization of Armstrong's holdings in the company using numbers that he pulls out of thin air, numbers that, as long as we are making them up, could easily be several times higher..

Actually, I've said he IS profiting through his relationship with the LAF. SEVERAL TIMES.

What I've stated is that the conspiracy theories that some here present where he's somehow funneling money to DemandMedia from the LAF to line his pockets are completely idiotic. It doesn't make sense from a pure business perspective because it's incredibly unlikely that he owns a large enough share of Demand for his gain to be worth the risk.

Then people like you started saying "of course he does... he has a SIGNIFICANT stake in the company"... but refuse to accept that in financial terms a stake of 1-2% of a billion dollar company is considered significant.


Demand owns over 60 websites and was worth a billion dollars prior to getting the rights to livestrong.com. They have an income of 150 million dollars a year. A company like that simply doesn't give out a huge percentage of their equity for the use of a URL and for a spokesperson.


Lance is a jerk. He's not someone I'd want my kids to emulate, and I do not subscribe to his website. I do respect his ability as a rider and I'm interested to see how he'll ride in the Tour this year, but the only thing off the bike I like much about him is that he started the LAF. Throughout this whole discussion, my input has mainly been on defending the LAF as an entity, not in any way defending Lance. The conspiracy theories about Lance somehow taking donations from the LAF for personal use do annoy me... both because they lack logic and because the seeming goal of them is to get people to stop donating to a charity that does good work.


The constant attack on anything in any way associated with Lance is getting a bit stale. We get it... you don't like him. Most of us know he's not a good guy. We all know he's not where he was 5 years ago as a rider.

But attacking other riders just because they are on his team and attacking a charity just because he founded it seems like a whole lot of overkill. Now you've taken it to the point of attacking fans of other riders who are on his team or who defend the charity.

You're coming across as wacko as the guys who think everyone is clean in cycling who hasn't failed a drug test or those who think Lance is going to win his 8th tour.

 

[Polish]

Please gentlemen - can we get it back on topic? Please?

The original poster is a "brand new fan to REAL cycling", and needs
some ideas on how Team RadioShack can avoid what he calls "failure".

How about Shack setting up a "RedNeck" vs "PollenBoy" showdown
in the Ardennes Classics??

I am a little confused as I am a brand new fan to the REAL cycling world.....What can RS do from here on out to not be a failure

 

[BroDeal]

Next up, the definition of what "is" is.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Lance did finish with the group who's first rider finished 5th.

I'll use that same excuse every time I finish in the group in a crit. Hey, I finished in the same group as the guy who won!

 

[JayZee]

Well, back to the original topic. It looks like RS's season is now shaping up pretty well with Horner's win and Rosseler's victory today. With Levi's win at TOC and LA's win at the Tour, definitely won't be a failure.

 

[flicker]

Well, back to the original topic. It looks like RS's season is now shaping up pretty well with Horner's win and Rosseler's victory today. With Levi's win at TOC and LA's win at the Tour, definitely won't be a failure.

prediction; levi will not win ToC Andy Schleck will.

Lance will win the tour after Frank Schlecks suspension, Andy will be despondent.

Alberto will not win Tour due to allergies/crash.

Thus Lance wins, simple!

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

prediction; levi will not win ToC Andy Schleck will.

Lance will win the tour after Frank Schlecks suspension, Andy will be despondent.

Alberto will not win Tour due to allergies/crash.

Thus Lance wins, simple!

If Lance ends up not starting, you're going to be TheHog's b!tch something fierce.

 

[BikeCentric]

Well, back to the original topic. It looks like RS's season is now shaping up pretty well with Horner's win and Rosseler's victory today. With Levi's win at TOC and LA's win at the Tour, definitely won't be a failure.

I'm pretty sure there is some old saying regarding chickens and hatching and counting that is applicable here...

 

[cyclopeon]

<snip>
2008 ESP Contador, AlbertoAlberto Contador (ESP) Astana
2009 ESP Contador, AlbertoAlberto Contador (ESP) Astana
2010 USA Horner, ChrisChris Horner (USA) Team RadioShack

Now I see. Horner to be the next Contador!

 

[Berzin]

are you for real bro? they suck. well maybe but at least they don't suck wheel in the "minor" races like Sky

Just goading the trolls and fanboys...

It's good fun.

 

[Ferdinand Artichoke]

I am a little confused as I am a brand new fan to the REAL cycling world .... What can RS do from here on out to not be a failure

Just achieve publicity- this forum thread is more proof of RadioShacks success.
The cycling team is not Radioshack- they are just brand cheerleaders


Many have claimed RadioShack is 'just a vehicle' for Lance's dreams of glory.
but
Lance is also a vehicle for RadioShack's publicity machine.


Advertising is based on brand association with a set of values. Lances values will rise if the team excels (thus furthering success for RS) but they won't sink no matter what.
Patriotism, OvercomingCancer, Motherly Love, Texas, Strength, Family values, cockiness, assuredness, courage, benevolence, self sacrifice, effort, winning this is all RadioShack care about in terms of success- winning is way down the list

If an athlete were to test positive or go on a Tiger Woods orgy spree... that would be failure

 

[kurtinsc]

Next up, the definition of what "is" is.

Congrats... I've managed to avoid putting anyone on ignore to date with this site... but you've irked me enough to win the honor of being first.

I can usually enjoy a conversation or debate with anyone. And those I can't I am able to ignore "manually" by just skipping over their text.

But you have defeated me.

 

[BroDeal]

Congrats... I've managed to avoid putting anyone on ignore to date with this site... but you've irked me enough to win the honor of being first.

I can usually enjoy a conversation or debate with anyone. And those I can't I am able to ignore "manually" by just skipping over their text.

But you have defeated me.

Sorry that getting called on your B.S. bums you out. What kind of idiot goes on a crusade to prove that a word does not really mean what it means? If you make up numbers then you can "prove" that "significant" means whatever you want it to mean. Don't expect others to buy into your sophistry, though.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Just achieve publicity- this forum thread is more proof of RadioShacks success.
Bla bla bla

Last edited by Ferdinand Artichoke; Today at 00:57. Reason: trying to be more controversial

But succeeding only in being more of a dork.

 

[Beech Mtn]

The powerhouse is sending 3 riders to the Tour of the Gila. Any guesses as to which three riders, and what brand of kit they will wear, since the RS kit is not allowed?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/radioshack-to-send-riders-to-gila