Rafa Nadal

[luckyboy]

Was there not a supposed link between Del Moral and Nadal?

 

[sniper]

Was there not a supposed link between Del Moral and Nadal?

There is a direct link between Del Moral and Ferrer, but not between Del Moral and Nadal that I know of.

Indirect links between Del Moral and Nadal are not difficult to establish though.
For instance, Del Moral worked with FC Barca, the former employer of our friend Toni Nadal.

 

[Andynonomous]

Its one thing to make a logical connection between a prominent athlete in a sport that seems to be rampant about doping, very possibly being a doper.

Its another to invent conspiracy theories in response to anything an athlete says, does, thinks, and that it is all part of some grand doping plan that gets more bizzare everytime.

the guy has won pretty much everything there is to win in tennis including the olympics. Is it not more likely that he is inured (doper or not) rather than that he is throwing matches to pull out of future tournaments to avoid doping tests even though he clearly knows how to defeat these doping tests in the first place.

Nadal has repeatedly

- claimed injury after a tournament loss, yet showed no signs of that injury during the tournament (no wincing, limping, slowing)

- taken medical time outs at key strategic times in important matches (ie. when he is losing a grand slam match), yet after a 5 minute massage, runs just as fast as ever.

- comes back from these injuries, and plays just as physical as ever, often making the finals of the next grand slam.

- goes to doctor Miguel Sanchez to treat these injuries with a procedure that has been proven to not work (PRP). It is believed that he is administered "IGF1" for strength enhancement instead.

- Comes back from these PRP treatments with a significant bump up in his serve speeds.




Rafael Nadal DOES NOT have significant knee tendonitis !

Therefore he is missing the olympics for some other reason.

Also note that :

- His uncle Toni has suggested that "rafa will not get caught". This suggests 2 things : 1) he is doping, 2) he has protection from the ITF.


Since the Olympics are not run by the ITF there is some significant uncertainty for any doping tennis player. You add in the warning from Fahey that these olympics will have tougher testing than in the past, and it is likely that you will see more than the usual number of withdrawals from the Olympics (as well as some sub standard performances as some athletes attempt to participate clean).

 

[No_Balls]

53 pages and yet the detectives have nothing. Well, if it helps you sleeping at night...

 

[sniper]

53 pages and yet the detectives have nothing. Well, if it helps you sleeping at night...

What more should detectives find than direct ties with Spain's doping center?

 

[Andynonomous]

The real reason that Nadal is missing the Olympics.

The real reason that Nadal is missing the Olympics.




"The test does not detect HGH directly, but rather looks for an unnatural increase in two markers -- insulin like growth factor 1 (IGF-1) and another substance (called P3NP) that is produced when bone or collagen is formed -- that occurs after injection of HGH."



As I have said before, Nadal is believed to have had a "PRP" treatment (a ruse to inject IGF1) just after Wimbledon. This new test MAY catch it.

 

[sniper]

interesting from Tennis has a Steroid Problem:

The ITF has just reported that "Ivo Karlovic has been forced to withdraw from the Olympic Tennis Event, having been unable to recover from a foot injury sustained since July." Karlovic joins fellow players Alona Bondarenko, Gael Monfils, Rafael Nadal, Andrea Petkovic, Kaia Kanepi, Mardy Fish, and Monica Niculescu on the sidelines.

Update #1: Croatia’s Petra Martic has withdrawn with a foot injury

Update #2: After losing in the Kitzbuehel final‎, Philipp Kohlschreiber has withdrawn from the Olympics with a right hamstring injury.

http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.de/

I don't recall ever seeing so many cancellations at any grand slam (though I don't have any stats to back this up).

 

[sniper]

Since the Olympics are not run by the ITF there is some significant uncertainty for any doping tennis player. You add in the warning from Fahey that these olympics will have tougher testing than in the past, and it is likely that you will see more than the usual number of withdrawals from the Olympics (as well as some sub standard performances as some athletes attempt to participate clean).

such as this one?
http://es.eurosport.yahoo.com/noticias/ferrer-se-despide-de-juegos-japonés-163735426.html

 

[zebedee]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/te...he-could-miss-next-years-Australian-Open.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-2208011/Rafael-Nadal-interview-struggle-injury.html

No light at the end of the tunnel yet, so it would seem.

 

[Cycle Chic]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/te...he-could-miss-next-years-Australian-Open.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-2208011/Rafael-Nadal-interview-struggle-injury.html

No light at the end of the tunnel yet, so it would seem.

So when he returns he will have been 'out of competition' for 6 months.....served a silent 'ban' ??

 

[zebedee]

Silent ban? Under the old ATP regime, possibly or even probably as anything went then, but I don't think that possibility exists these days, since pro tennis wedded itself to the WADA rules after the nandrolone fiasco. A player might be granted a period of silence while B samples are tested but that would be about it.

Personally, I think Nadal's knees are shot or getting close to it. Players get through matches seemingly without great physical problems because they are routinely dosed up on painkillers and anti-inflammatories of one kind or another before they play. You don't see many signs therefore while they are on court. However, the real damage comes from a combination of too many cortisone injections (not illegal; they might have needed at tue at one point), overtraining and too much tennis on hard courts. Whether illegal steroid abuse comes into it is anybody's guess. He may also have a genetic predisposition to tendon injury as was once put to me by a sports doctor

Playing tennis at high level requires absolute confidence in your ability to perform athletically. Players manage injuries, sure, but by and large they don't go on court with significant physical limitations that affect match performance. Knee conditions are particularly debilitating and can drain confidence completely. Confidence is everything to a pro player.

 

[Andynonomous]

Silent ban? Under the old ATP regime, possibly or even probably as anything went then, but I don't think that possibility exists these days, since pro tennis wedded itself to the WADA rules after the nandrolone fiasco. A player might be granted a period of silence while B samples are tested but that would be about it.

Personally, I think Nadal's knees are shot or getting close to it. Players get through matches seemingly without great physical problems because they are routinely dosed up on painkillers and anti-inflammatories of one kind or another before they play. You don't see many signs therefore while they are on court. However, the real damage comes from a combination of too many cortisone injections (not illegal; they might have needed at tue at one point), overtraining and too much tennis on hard courts. Whether illegal steroid abuse comes into it is anybody's guess. He may also have a genetic predisposition to tendon injury as was once put to me by a sports doctor

Playing tennis at high level requires absolute confidence in your ability to perform athletically. Players manage injuries, sure, but by and large they don't go on court with significant physical limitations that affect match performance. Knee conditions are particularly debilitating and can drain confidence completely. Confidence is everything to a pro player.

For a guy with "shot knees" he sure has done well lately. He won a match today at a tournament that he has never won before (Miami) with the loss of ONE game through the whole match. Since you wrote this, Nadal has had a 7 month "injury break for his knees", then came back to play well enough to become number one in the world again, including a dominating performance on his least favorite surface (hard court).

Nadal's knees have always been in much better shape than what his "team" says. It was just an excuse to get phony PRP treatments (IGF1 injections).

As I have said before, Nadal's playing style is primarily defensive in nature. Traditionally, defensive minded tennis players rarely win slams after the age of 25 (Borg, Courier, Wilander, Chang). Nadal is nearing his 28th birthday, and is still playing as well as he ever has. I guess Nadal is showing the "confidence" that Lance had for 7 years, hey.

If you want to have a laugh, read the denial from tennis fanboys as to why he is still playing well beyond expectations at his current age.

Read how fools rationalize away all of the suspicious circumstances surrounding Nadal.

Explaining away the suspicious while ignoring the obvious.

 

[Andynonomous]

 

[Andynonomous]

VAMOS !

 

[darwin553]

I have to say with the enormous strain that Nadal puts on his knees in every match throughout his career I would be surprised if uncle tony didn't have him on something.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Just human evolution, nothing to see here.

 

[bewildered]

very interested to see how Nadal treats Wimbeldon (and Halle this week on grass).

He has gone out of Wimbledon to 100/1 shots for the last two years in a row blaming inability to play on grass due to his knees.

 

[HappyCycling]

So obviously doping, it kills me. I hope this cheat is caught one day.

 

[lenric]

Interesting. Every single guy that wins anything is a doper for some of you. I'm surprised that I haven't read anything about Cristiano Ronaldo or Messi being dopers... yet.

 

[thrawn]

Interesting. Every single guy that wins anything is a doper for some of you. I'm surprised that I haven't read anything about Cristiano Ronaldo or Messi being dopers... yet.

No. Every guy that wins something by displaying otherworldly stamina/strength/speed etc. is considered a doper. As for Ronaldo & Messi, I'm pretty sure there are allegations of them being dopers in the respective football thread.

 

[lenric]

No. Every guy that wins something by displaying otherworldly stamina/strength/speed etc. is considered a doper. As for Ronaldo & Messi, I'm pretty sure there are allegations of them being dopers in the respective football thread.

Yes, becauuse neither of them can simply work harder than the rest, they have to automatically dope.

 

[Baltazar]

Yes, becauuse neither of them can simply work harder than the rest, they have to automatically dope.

That's exactly what doping does - enables you to train harder and recover better.

 

[thrawn]

Yes, becauuse neither of them can simply work harder than the rest, they have to automatically dope.

The allegations are more towards their whole teams, rather than the individual.

 

[SeriousSam]

lenric, no one is saying they "have" to dope. here's a brief case for why almost all athletes at the top of their sport dope:

-it varies from sport, but PEDS improve performance a lot. you can train harder, recover quicker, avoid injuries
-in most sports bar cycling, there are no serious efforts to stop people from doping

huge rewards vs acceptable risks. what do you think competitive individuals are going to do, especially if there is a culture of everyone doing it and it therefore being ok?


nadal, djokovic, c ronaldo and messi almost certainly dope. that doesnt mean they dont also work harder and have more talent than their peers. they have. in cycling, it's a bit different because it's not a skill sport so we can be less sure that the winners are the most talented and hard working guys.

 

[lenric]

That's exactly what doping does - enables you to train harder and recover better.

Yes, that's also what being more committed to win than anyone else does: mind over body.