Rafa Nadal

[the sceptic]

You will find on google if you search. it was hidden until 2012
that it was a heart attack. they said also that he had a position
bad for blood flowing before it happned.
Its crazy that he played the match. he was on
the brink of death also on big dose of sedatives
for seizures. he was a shadow of himself

damn, makes you wonder about those footballers dropping dead on the pitch doesnt it?

 

[Andynonomous]

There are reports that Nadal is getting "hormone injections" into his left wrist, and the tennis forums are having a field day.

Mens tennis forums.

Tennis warehouse has deleted their thread, because of all of the doping speculation.

 

[the sceptic]

There are reports that Nadal is getting "hormone injections" into his left wrist, and the tennis forums are having a field day.

Mens tennis forums.

Tennis warehouse has deleted their thread, because of all of the doping speculation.

You know its bad when people on tennis forums are openly accusing him of doping.

 

[Ticker]

There are reports that Nadal is getting "hormone injections" into his left wrist, and the tennis forums are having a field day.

Mens tennis forums.

Tennis warehouse has deleted their thread, because of all of the doping speculation.

As I said in another thread:

Yes Red Rick, TT seem to be more lenient than MTF, TT instead just delete threads and posts But I also agree that there does not seem to be a place were it can be properly be discussed. It would be good if there was a "Clinic" type sub-forum on those boards.

As for Nadal, this is not the first time this has happened, a random injury always followed by "PRP" treatments and then it's a miracle! he's healed! Until he's injured again.

 

[the sceptic]

As I said in another thread:



As for Nadal, this is not the first time this has happened, a random injury always followed by "PRP" treatments and then it's a miracle! he's healed! Until he's injured again.

Yes the pattern with Nadal is obvious. I feel very confident he is going to win the us open now. Probably without dropping any sets until the final where he will drop one just to make it seem a bit real.

 

[Gavandope]

Judging by his playing style on court, duration and power of matches I'd say the odds I'd give he wouldn't have extra blood cells in his career is pretty damn low. Though how someone left handed can play with his right at his level I still can't compute to this day.

Though I thought most of his long lay offs were mostly down to his knees being cattle trucked. Can't be using nandrolone in the form of deca to aid ligament damage it's detectable for too long (Jaap Stam), though if there are any newer forms of deca which leave the body quicker and other masking agents since the mid 90's that's out of my knowledge range..

 

[Andynonomous]

Though how someone left handed can play with his right at his level I still can't compute to this day.

He is right handed, and plays with his left (but that doesn't hurt the validity of your argument).

 

[Gavandope]

He is right handed, and plays with his left (but that doesn't hurt the validity of your argument).

A fortunate equation, thinking as a leftie that I couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo with my right did that. In sport only topped by Ronnie O'Sullivan who cues with both hands in snooker/pool brilliantly.

I'd be surprised if he wins another major bar the Paris banker, unless he's fresh, Novak and co are injured/knocked out and a fortunate draw gives him an easy route to win.

Playing tennis with a dodgy knee is a dream on clay compared to cement and baked grass, a patella of mine can certainly testify to that and I'm a million miles away from his game.

There must be a Novak thread here somewhere worth bumping...

 

[Andynonomous]

I'd be surprised if he wins another major bar the Paris banker, unless he's fresh, Novak and co are injured/knocked out and a fortunate draw gives him an easy route to win.

Nadal has made the final of the last two hard-court Major tournaments (2013 USO, 2014 AUS). He won the USO last year, with the loss of only one set for the whole tournament.

With his playing style, he may burn out at any time, but PEDs can extend careers (Bonds, Armstrong, Clemens,...). So you never know when he will decline.

 

[thrawn]

Serious question: are growth hormone injections banned, or does it depend on the type of growth hormone?

 

[Bicycle]

You just know he is going to come back hitting rockets

 

[Gavandope]

Nadal has made the final of the last two hard-court Major tournaments (2013 USO, 2014 AUS). He won the USO last year, with the loss of only one set for the whole tournament.

With his playing style, he may burn out at any time, but PEDs can extend careers (Bonds, Armstrong, Clemens,...). So you never know when he will decline.

He had lay offs and was rested before both those tournaments I thought? At Wimbledon after smashing everyone as usual on clay he certainly moved about like an old man!

 

[thrawn]

He had lay offs and was rested before both those tournaments I thought? At Wimbledon after smashing everyone as usual on clay he certainly moved about like an old man!

Definitely not for the 2013 US Open. He had his massive 7 month layoff, but then played from February onwards that year.

He moved and played fine at Wimbledon this year. He just got hit off the court by a talented young kid with a lot of power. Power on a fast court has always been his weakness.

 

[centri]

Serious question: are growth hormone injections banned, or does it depend on the type of growth hormone?

Growth hormone and growth factor(s) are not the same thing.

PRP has factors. I'm guessing people are confused about the treatment, like that Barca journalist who accidentally stated that Barca were using Growth hormone for injuries when he meant to say growth factors. Oops!

 

[No_Balls]

Nadal is no cheat he is best tennis player ever, i bet you're fed fans if Nadal is a cheat so is Nole, Murray and Federer

Yeah. They are mostly Novak/fed-fans worried about their guys GS-record disguised as "noble doping warriors" - but of course it wont matter if their hero does it.

 

[Andynonomous]

Growth hormone and growth factor(s) are not the same thing.

PRP has factors. I'm guessing people are confused about the treatment, like that Barca journalist who accidentally stated that Barca were using Growth hormone for injuries when he meant to say growth factors. Oops!

The PRP treatment is a localized injection of spun autologous blood products into a damaged joint. A small amount of growth factors (IGF1=Insulin Growth Factor 1) are created in the joint by the body as a by-product of PRP. Since the human body creates IGF1 after an HGH injection, and HGH is not directly detectable, the HGH test looks for an unnatural increase in IGF1.

No "growth factors" should be directly injected. IGF1 is an illegal performance enhancing drug. In fact, IGF1 is more effective performance enhancer than is HGH.

Since all three treatments (PRP=non performance enhancing, direct HGH injections=performance enhancing, direct IGF1 injections=performance enhancing) result in an elevated level of IGF1 in the body, PRP can be used to mask the usage of performance enhancing drugs.

The fact that "PRP" doesn't work (to cure joints, or enhance performance), plus the fact that they are calling this treatment "growth factors", rather than "PRP" makes me VERY suspicious that they are directly injecting IGF1, or HGH rather than getting a PRP treatment (No-one would call a treatment, by the name of the by-products created in the body AFTER the treatment).

Not to mention Nadal's serve speed goes up magically by 10 mph after the non-performance enhancing "joint healing" treatments, and the attitude of Spanish coaches/doctors/politicians/judges towards the use of PEDs by Spanish athletes.

OOPs!

 

[Gavandope]

Definitely not for the 2013 US Open. He had his massive 7 month layoff, but then played from February onwards that year.

He moved and played fine at Wimbledon this year. He just got hit off the court by a talented young kid with a lot of power. Power on a fast court has always been his weakness.

I agree the court was baked hard and made it faster and harder on the knees and I've watched pretty much all his matches on grass.

Ex-Wimbledon ball boy when I was 13 btw lol

 

[centri]

Thanks for the details, Andynonomous!