Random French guys ripping up the Tour

[thehog]

I guess the sponsors coming into the sport are dragging the racing further away from the 4 'home countries'.

If Madiot wants France to be the 'home' of cycling he needs to get more French sponsors involved in the sport.

More? They already have plenty!

More than any other country.

 

[doperhopper]

I guess the sponsors coming into the sport are dragging the racing further away from the 4 'home countries'.

If Madiot wants France to be the 'home' of cycling he needs to get more French sponsors involved in the sport.

well, the problem is, you know, results - since the Festina meltdown point and the resulting tough FR stance on doping there was a decade with basically NO big results whatsoever, and it's not that there were no talents (guess how many podiums in 2000-2012 they have, counting Worlds, 3 GTs and 5 monuments: well, one, and it's no big name, Geslin WC 2005)

 

[Benotti69]

well, the problem is, you know, results - since the Festina meltdown point and the resulting tough FR stance on doping there was a decade with basically NO big results whatsoever, and it's not that there were no talents (guess how many podiums in 2000-2012 they have, counting Worlds, 3 GTs and 5 monuments: well, one, and it's no big name, Geslin WC 2005)

I dont see pro cycling in the same 'vein' as Madiot. The French have not performed due to Festina and the criminalisation of doping.

But the English suffer similar 'problems' with their 'own' sports, cricket, Rugby, Football, Tennis.........

Cycling is more or less global now. C'est la vie......

 

[Tonton]

I dont see pro cycling in the same 'vein' as Madiot. The French have not performed due to Festina and the criminalisation of doping.

But the English suffer similar 'problems' with their 'own' sports, cricket, Rugby, Football, Tennis.........

Cycling is more or less global now. C'est la vie......

The French, like everybody else, had to get Festina rubbed in their face to believe it...but keep ignoring the obvious in Rugby, Football, Tennis...

Same with the English, they need the truth to be rubbed in their face. The Sky bubble to burst...

 

[the sceptic]

Good to see but have the French guys had enough and decided to get on the program?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/fdj-aiming-to-win-the-tour-de-france-in-the-next-five-years

"The Tour has been unreachable for years, for reasons you know as well as I do. But now we have the potential. This can be done in the next four to five years, if we continue to progress and if fate is in our favour,? French newspaper L'Equipe quoted Madiot as saying.

If you can't beat them..

 

[sniper]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/fdj-aiming-to-win-the-tour-de-france-in-the-next-five-years



If you can't beat them..

"for reasons you know as well as i do".
i bet he's referring to the fact that for years the French riders haven't been sleeping on their own pillows during training camp.

or maybe he's trying to say "for years we french guys we haven't been paying attention to nutrition and ergonomy, but we're catching up"

I wonder what gooner, ebandit, and tailwindhome think Madiot is referring to.

 

[Dr. Juice]

It just means: " In the evil old generation we had no chance against the dopers. Now that the sport is clean, we are able to perform"

 

[Benotti69]

It just means: " In the evil old generation we had no chance against the dopers. Now that the sport is clean, we are able to perform"

Yeah of course it does, i mean Ferrari left with Armstrong and all those naturally talented riders are shining in GTs like they showed as young'uns...

No longer cool to dope.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Yeah of course it does, i mean Ferrari left with Armstrong and all those naturally talented riders are shining in GTs like they showed as young'uns...

No longer cool to dope.

Well, but with Froome and Contador out of the TdF last year, Nibali was the only one putting up controversial power estimates.

BTW, 2nd in the 2014 TdF is not some random guy. He was a consistently competitive mountain bike elite. Third was also consistently competitive elsewhere. Will we see the same in 2015? I have no idea, none!

How it is that practically the entire grand tour peloton suddenly deliver realistic power numbers, all at once as if a switch flipped, at the TdF is an interesting question. The 2014 Giro was similarly human scale-ish performance.

The thing I keep looking at is LAPPARTIENT's promotion at the UCI in 2013 to President of the Professional Cycling Council. He's also the President of his country's federation, and holds a couple of other seats as well. Does he have enough authority to "never test positive" athletes? No clue.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

"for reasons you know as well as i do".
i bet he's referring to the fact that for years the French riders haven't been sleeping on their own pillows during training camp.

or maybe he's trying to say "for years we french guys we haven't been paying attention to nutrition and ergonomy, but we're catching up"

I wonder what gooner, ebandit, and tailwindhome think Madiot is referring to.

Remove Nibali, Froome, Contador and Quintana and we will have a fairly large group of riders who can win the GTs etc, all doing around 5,8 W/kg or less on the longer climbs.

Would it be clean? I doubt it.

 

[blackcat]

Well, but with Froome and Contador out of the TdF last year, Nibali was the only one putting up controversial power estimates.

BTW, 2nd in the 2014 TdF is not some random guy. He was a consistently competitive mountain bike elite. Third was also consistently competitive elsewhere. Will we see the same in 2015? I have no idea, none!

How it is that practically the entire grand tour peloton suddenly deliver realistic power numbers, all at once as if a switch flipped, at the TdF is an interesting question. The 2014 Giro was similarly human scale-ish performance.

The thing I keep looking at is LAPPARTIENT's promotion at the UCI in 2013 to President of the Professional Cycling Council. He's also the President of his country's federation, and holds a couple of other seats as well. Does he have enough authority to "never test positive" athletes? No clue.

they got the 2006 memo?

 

[Heckler]

How it is that practically the entire grand tour peloton suddenly deliver realistic power numbers, all at once as if a switch flipped, at the TdF is an interesting question. The 2014 Giro was similarly human scale-ish performance.

Soft pedaling...

 

[Big Doopie]

Well, but with Froome and Contador out of the TdF last year, Nibali was the only one putting up controversial power estimates.

BTW, 2nd in the 2014 TdF is not some random guy. He was a consistently competitive mountain bike elite. Third was also consistently competitive elsewhere. Will we see the same in 2015? I have no idea, none!

How it is that practically the entire grand tour peloton suddenly deliver realistic power numbers, all at once as if a switch flipped, at the TdF is an interesting question. The 2014 Giro was similarly human scale-ish performance.

The thing I keep looking at is LAPPARTIENT's promotion at the UCI in 2013 to President of the Professional Cycling Council. He's also the President of his country's federation, and holds a couple of other seats as well. Does he have enough authority to "never test positive" athletes? No clue.

i forbid you to ever post in the clinic again.

you make way too much sense.

 

[TailWindHome]

I wonder what gooner, ebandit, and tailwindhome think Madiot is referring to.

I think we all agree that Madiot's comments confirm what we know about Sky

 

[Dr. Juice]

Well, but with Froome and Contador out of the TdF last year, Nibali was the only one putting up controversial power estimates.

BTW, 2nd in the 2014 TdF is not some random guy. He was a consistently competitive mountain bike elite. Third was also consistently competitive elsewhere. Will we see the same in 2015? I have no idea, none!

How it is that practically the entire grand tour peloton suddenly deliver realistic power numbers, all at once as if a switch flipped, at the TdF is an interesting question. The 2014 Giro was similarly human scale-ish performance.

The thing I keep looking at is LAPPARTIENT's promotion at the UCI in 2013 to President of the Professional Cycling Council. He's also the President of his country's federation, and holds a couple of other seats as well. Does he have enough authority to "never test positive" athletes? No clue.

1. Quintana wasn't at 100% at the Giro (esp. first 2 weeks) and didn't go full out (for example attacking 10 km from the finish or more like in the TdF 2013 when his numbers were above 6 W/kg)

2. Nibali was in the "yellow" zone at Hautacam with his 6.1 W/kg, the only time he went early. Possible that he could have achieved 6+ W/kg on 1 or 2 more occasions

3. Contador and Froome crashed out and IMO especially Berto was about to go consistently and clearly above 6 W/kg (6.2 - 6.5 W/kg on the longer climbs, 6.5 + on La Planche) ...he needed to gain back time and would have done the climbs at full power. Nibali on his limit so we would've seen also Nibali doing more than 6 W/kg on more than 1 occasion.

4. Contador, Froome, Nibali would have gone into the suspicious or mutant zone. In normal years those are the first 3.
Look at the Armstrong years...starting from 4th position. Guys like Moreau, Igor Gonzales de Galdeano, Santiago Botero, Haimar Zubeldia etc etc. They probably never went above 6 W/kg. Just like Peraud, Bardet, Pinot.
Were those riders clean in ~ 2001 ? Were those Tours anything close to clean? Armstrong himself was climbing slow (even on Sestrieres) in 99 compared to every other year from ~ '93 onwards.

In reality we don't know what the limit is for a certain rider. We can only hope. If the UCI really wanted to reduce doping, they could and then we could have more faith.

 

[pastronef]

I think we all agree that Madiot's comments confirm what we know about Sky

wasn't it Nibali who did beat the French guys last July?

 

[DirtyWorks]

In reality we don't know what the limit is for a certain rider. We can only hope. If the UCI really wanted to reduce doping, they could and then we could have more faith.

Absolutely correct. Even though I didn't quote the whole thing, those are all fair points.

 

[thehog]

Random French guys ripping up the classics?

 

[Benotti69]

FDJ(as a team) out TT everyone at TA..........hmmm. Wonder has someone high up given a green light to the French to get better results...

 

[thehog]

Re:

FDJ(as a team) out TT everyone at TA..........hmmm. Wonder has someone high up given a green light to the French to get better results...

It's time for a French winner of the Tour. It would be perfect for the UCI. Thomas Geriant is the only man that can stop them.

 

[Tonton]

Re: Re:

FDJ(as a team) out TT everyone at TA..........hmmm. Wonder has someone high up given a green light to the French to get better results...

It's time for a French winner of the Tour. It would be perfect for the UCI. Thomas Geriant is the only man that can stop them.

Thomas Geriant? I like the name. These days, the Dumoulin who wins is not Samuel but a Dutchman; last week Dupont wins, but it's not Hubert: it's a Belgian. For a French TdF winner, we'd need to naturalize Froume or Contadaure .

So the thread is revived after a whole year being dormant. Obviously, you guys don't believe in improved training methods and marginal gains, do you ? Afaic, I'm glad to see that hard work finally pays off .

I understand the frowns. Not enough for me to start scratching my head just yet, tho'.

 

[roundabout]

Re: Re:

FDJ(as a team) out TT everyone at TA..........hmmm. Wonder has someone high up given a green light to the French to get better results...

It's time for a French winner of the Tour. It would be perfect for the UCI. Thomas Geriant is the only man that can stop them.

These days, the Dumoulin who wins is not Samuel but a Dutchman

Blame Louis XIV for revoking the Edict of Nantes for that.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

FDJ(as a team) out TT everyone at TA..........hmmm. Wonder has someone high up given a green light to the French to get better results...

It's time for a French winner of the Tour. It would be perfect for the UCI. Thomas Geriant is the only man that can stop them.

Thomas Geriant? I like the name. These days, the Dumoulin who wins is not Samuel but a Dutchman; last week Dupont wins, but it's not Hubert: it's a Belgian. For a French TdF winner, we'd need to naturalize Froume or Contadaure .

So the thread is revived after a whole year being dormant. Obviously, you guys don't believe in improved training methods and marginal gains, do you ? Afaic, I'm glad to see that hard work finally pays off .

I understand the frowns. Not enough for me to start scratching my head just yet, tho'.

Sure hard working clean riders can beat hard working dopers!

Cant see a clean rider crashing and chasing back near the end of a monument with the Poggio climbed very fast this time

2016:5,7 km@4,1%---10:07---average speed 33.81 km/h(Stannard-Visconti)

2008:5,7 km@4,1%---10:08---average speed 33.75 km/h(Bettini-Rebellin-Lovkvist-Axelsson)

 

[Tonton]

Re: Re:

FDJ(as a team) out TT everyone at TA..........hmmm. Wonder has someone high up given a green light to the French to get better results...

It's time for a French winner of the Tour. It would be perfect for the UCI. Thomas Geriant is the only man that can stop them.

These days, the Dumoulin who wins is not Samuel but a Dutchman

Blame Louis XIV for revoking the Edict of Nantes for that.

Or the Swiss for defeating Charles Le Temeraire . The Burgundian team would look pretty nice .

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

FDJ(as a team) out TT everyone at TA..........hmmm. Wonder has someone high up given a green light to the French to get better results...

It's time for a French winner of the Tour. It would be perfect for the UCI. Thomas Geriant is the only man that can stop them.

Thomas Geriant? I like the name. These days, the Dumoulin who wins is not Samuel but a Dutchman; last week Dupont wins, but it's not Hubert: it's a Belgian. For a French TdF winner, we'd need to naturalize Froume or Contadaure .

So the thread is revived after a whole year being dormant. Obviously, you guys don't believe in improved training methods and marginal gains, do you ? Afaic, I'm glad to see that hard work finally pays off .

I understand the frowns. Not enough for me to start scratching my head just yet, tho'.

Thomas Geriant is a new French rider based on marginal gains. He will win Le Tour