Random Rider/Team Thread

[Netserk]

Bad BB for Santa?

 

[taiwan]

I doubt that happens often tbh. If your system allows any chance of getting a bad bb then you're out of your depth surely, and shouldn't be attempting to do it. I mean it could kill you, look at Ricco.

 

[liamito]

Bad BB for Santa?

The Kohl story is more likely I guess. --> Kohl did not use his BB at the 2nd restday, also because many people warned Matschiner it was getting too obvious.

 

[whittashau]

I like how Big Doopie somehow knows that ex Ferrari Evans doping was "limited", yet apparently Nibali is a serial offender. Also, if the French or the Canadian are competing well it means there is no doping, furthermore, it proves Wiggo isn't doped? Yet Ryder beat Scarponi last year who he knows is a serial doper, but that doesn't mean Ryder doped to beat him, but because he couldn't beat the serial doper that is Nibali this year which therefore means the Giro is a joke.

This is some crazy complicated logic

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I like how Big Doopie somehow knows that ex Ferrari Evans doping was "limited", yet apparently Nibali is a serial offender. Also, if the French or the Canadian are competing well it means there is no doping, furthermore, it proves Wiggo isn't doped? Yet Ryder beat Scarponi last year who he knows is a serial doper, but that doesn't mean Ryder doped to beat him, but because he couldn't be the serial doper that is Nibali this year which means the Giro is a joke.

This is some crazy complicated logic

The Squeaky Clean Team war cry: Now we know clean riders can beat dopers.

 

[the sceptic]

Everyone took a break from doping in 2012, allowing clean riders to win. Then they started doping again in 2013 for some reason.

 

[pmcg76]

There was no question in your post.



Gee. I say how they are the same basic set up, and then you ask me how they were the same. I shall repeat it here.

What I find curious is JV's team is the same basic setup as Legeay's. They both say, "you don't have to dope".

That makes them the same basic setup.



If you can get around the BP, you can get around internal testing. I hope you don't believe otherwise.




This ironic twist seems irrelevant given
* JV was not at the Giro that Ryder won in 2012
* Ryder spends his off-season in Hawaii
* Wiggins in 2009:





Girona is packed full of cyclists - I am not sure where you get "prying eyes" from - like JV can see what Ryder or anyone else on the team is up to, 24/7.

I am not saying Ryder is doping or doped, and I definitely do not think JV is behind any doping scheme, but by the same token, doping on his team would not be any more difficult than on any other team.

Except Credit Agricole never made it a public fact or raison d'etre of their team. It was more a case of Legeay not wanting his riders to dope but doing very little to actually enforce those wishes and putting his trust in the riders. There was never a public proclamation that CA were a clean team, the other French teams like fdjeux were far more vocal.

If you regard that as the basic concept, it could be said all the French team's have the same basic concept as Garmin and indeed pre-date Garmin by quite a distance. I see very little common trait's in how CA and Garmin are run.

I already made my point about JV knowing what Ryder was doing but to re-iterate. JV is the team manager who set up and formed Slipstream, all staff are pretty much answerable to JV.

Therefore there are two possibilities here, some or even all the Garmin staff are aware of Ryder doping but they are all complicit in hiding these facts from JV. That would mean JV has little to zero knowledge of what is actually happening in his team and that he is being taken as a fool by a lot of people he trusted. Happened in a way with Trent Lowe but then he was low on the pecking order at Garmin and lived in Valencia.

The second option is that Ryder is doping outside of the team and doing it super secretly. Perhaps he doped in Hawaii but he came back to Europe March time last season so even if he were doping over winter, he would need to continue up until the Giro.

He is based in Girona were a lot of his team-mates and Garmin staff are also based. If he is indeed subject to internal testing by Garmin, he would need to ensure all his parameters are hitting the mark not to trigger suspicion. Would he be able to do this whilst doping himself?? or would he need outside assistance. Girona is a small enough place that being seen in the wrong place with the wrong person is not easily avoidable.

There are enough pro's based in Girona to make gossip inevitable. To give an example, I am aware of a cyclist stating that they got out of Girona because they felt that they could never actually escape from the pro bubble and found it suffocating. It was pro cycling 24hrs a day.

Which scenario seem's more likely or is there an alternative i.e. JV know's all and is in fact a much bigger sociopath than Armstrong. Ironically out of all these option's, JV knowing everything would seem the most likely.

I am sure you will put forward Wiggins as an example of JV not knowing what was happening but I am pretty sure Wiggins was based primarily in the UK during his Garmin time and coached by people outside of Garmin. Chances are he would have had someone in the UK able to monitor his blood parameter's to avoid any suspicion if he were indeed doping.

 

[Netserk]

I doubt that happens often tbh. If your system allows any chance of getting a bad bb then you're out of your depth surely, and shouldn't be attempting to do it. I mean it could kill you, look at Ricco.

If they use smaller bags, the negative effect of a bad BB would also be lesser.

 

[taiwan]

The Kohl story is more likely I guess. --> Kohl did not use his BB at the 2nd restday, also because many people warned Matschiner it was getting too obvious.

That's believeable, particularly with the way Santa's being singled out here and elsewhere.

 

[hrotha]

That's believeable, particularly with the way Santa's being singled out here and elsewhere.

If the team was greenlighted by the organizers, they might have been told to lose some time and stay off the podium.

 

[taiwan]

Are there any details of what he was being investigated for in Mantova btw?

 

[Big Doopie]

Blah blah blah...

None of which Big Doopie actually said. But no matter.

It must have taken you quite some time and a few rare brain cells to parse the meaning of Big Doopie's posts to meet your needs. Well done!

All Big Doopie got out of your meaningless post is that Big Doopie kinda likes speaking of himself in the third person.

Big Doopie thanks you.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

He is based in Girona were a lot of his team-mates and Garmin staff are also based. If he is indeed subject to internal testing by Garmin, he would need to ensure all his parameters are hitting the mark not to trigger suspicion. Would he be able to do this whilst doping himself?? or would he need outside assistance. Girona is a small enough place that being seen in the wrong place with the wrong person is not easily avoidable.

How did Bernard Khol do it?

 

[whittashau]

None of which Big Doopie actually said. But no matter.

It must have taken you quite some time and a few rare brain cells to parse the meaning of Big Doopie's posts to meet your needs. Well done!

All Big Doopie got out of your meaningless post is that Big Doopie kinda likes speaking of himself in the third person.

Big Doopie thanks you.

Big Doopie knows that Big Doopie has made himself look rather stupid and so he resorts to childish posts. It's alright man. We all knew it was just a vendetta all along. You think Italians are just the worst. Gotcha.

 

[Von Mises]

From what I remember there was a massive tailwind last year.

I remember that too, but if data does nit fit into FGL´s nice story, then better not to mention.

 

[Ferminal]

What was the wind like in 1998?

 

[Parrulo]

What was the wind like in 1998?

A full on headwind tornado?

 

[Big Doopie]

I remember that too, but if data does nit fit into FGL´s nice story, then better not to mention.

Ah, yes, and Big Doopie would also like to point out that Pantani's time has been cherry-picked from a year when he was already a coke-head on his way out and no longer the epo-motorman of the 90s. And therefore, once again, meaningless.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vjzzbnt3Rus#t=3535s

Where is that huge back wind? Just watch the flags and trees; a bs tale.

1998 was slight backwind, in the forest part there of course is hardly ever wind

Ah, yes, and Big Doopie would also like to point out that Pantani's time has been cherry-picked from a year when he was already a coke-head on his way out and no longer the epo-motorman of the 90s. And therefore, once again, meaningless.

Big Doopie wasnt watching cycling back then I suppose.

Giro dItalia 2003
Garzelli 22.17
Simoni 21.42

2012
Hesjedal 22.22
Kreuziger 23.52

One and a half minutes faster than that Ferrari client. Chapeau. Again, a meaningless opinion by BD.

 

[Netserk]

I don't know how fierce it was, but there was a tailwind.

 

[Havetts]

This is becoming the Giro of Dr Ferrari. Damn

 

[Ferminal]

Giro del Abarca

 

[Big Doopie]

This is becoming the Giro of Dr Ferrari. Damn

Lol. +100000000000.

 

[Big Doopie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vjzzbnt3Rus#t=3535s
Big Doopie wasnt watching cycling back then I suppose.

Um...Big Doopie has been watching cycling since 1971.

This is one of the many reasons Big Doopie is all-knowing.

Visconti's win. Fill you with a warm glow FGL?

 

[classicomano]

Um...Big Doopie has been watching cycling since 1971.

This is one of the many reasons Big Doopie is all-knowing.

Stop talking in 3rd person, its ***.