Ranking classics cyclists 2000-2023

[KenFiamingo]

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Totally agree on the first point, any ranking that has WvA above VdP is perverse.

Be careful, by these standards you would rank Degenkolb above WvA of which I don't believe many will do. To put things into some perspective, if MVDP hadn't tricked WVA in that ingenious sprint in the 2020 Ronde, I think there would be much more nuance in the opinions about who ranks above whom. Just to point out that 1 split second decision can totally change perception. Don't get me wrong, I would definitely pick MvdP's palmares now, but context is always important. Let's just say that it takes a freak like Wout to bend the rules of a points ranking into his favor.

 

[Panda Claws]

Depending on the parcours you can exit the prime of your career unable to contest the race. It’s not an equitable race to weigh accomplishments of riders. Even if they care to race for it, like this year.

They race for it every time though.

If your [New] point is just that it is unfair to value an Olympic win/placing because other riders may not have had the chance to contest a parcours that suited them then sure some may have had bad luck but an olympic win is a win and it clearly is valued by the peloton and the world at large.

This won't ever be completely fair anyway. Petacchi and Cipollini didn't win that many Giro stages just because they were great sprinters. It really helped that they were Italian and got the parcours to match.

 

[scribers]

You come out of post retirement for this? Lol. There’s bigger fish to fry around here.

 

[pmcg76]

They race for it every time though.

If your [New] point is just that it is unfair to value an Olympic win/placing because other riders may not have had the chance to contest a parcours that suited them then sure some may have had bad luck but an olympic win is a win and it clearly is valued by the peloton and the world at large.

This won't ever be completely fair anyway. Petacchi and Cipollini didn't win that many Giro stages just because they were great sprinters. It really helped that they were Italian and got the parcours to match.

Well sprinters are almost like a separate category as it is more of a opportunities game than talent. For example, there wasn't a Worlds RR that finished in a large sprint between 81-02. Over 20 years, then there was two in quick order 11-16. So someone like Van Poppel or Abdu never got a crack at a Worlds, Cipo had to wait until he was 35, but others got 2 chances in a short period. Is a Worlds where 80 riders finish in the same time as the winner really of equal value to a regular Worlds RR? Like you say, it really depends on what you put value on.

 

[ZackObryant]

These are the things that get me through the winter.
I published my all-time ranking a few years ago on kingoftheechelon.com (counting podiums for one-day races and top-5 for the WC).
Narrowing it down to monuments, monuments+WC+Olympics and all significant one-day race, I came to the following results:

Monuments:

1​	CANCELLARA, Fabian	1806​	3x RVV; 3x PR; 1x MSR
2​	BOONEN, Tom	1554​	4x PR; 3x RVV
3​	VALVERDE, Alejandro	1140​	4x LBL
4​	GILBERT, Philippe	1110​	2x GDL; 1x RVV; 1x PR; 1x LBL
5​	VAN DER POEL, Mathieu	912​	2x RVV; 1x PR; 1x MSR
6​	BETTINI, Paolo	846​	2x LBL; 2x GDL; 1x MSR
7​	POGACAR, Tadej	810​	3x GDL; 1x RVV; 1x LBL
8​	NIBALI, Vincenzo	702​	2x GDL; 1x MSR
9​	RODRIGUEZ, Joaquim	612​	2x GDL
10​	ALAPHILIPPE, Julian	594​	1x MSR

Monuments + Worlds + Olympics

1​	VALVERDE, Alejandro	2061​	1x WC; 4x LBL
2​	CANCELLARA, Fabian	1976​	3x RVV; 3x PR; 1x MSR
3​	BOONEN, Tom	1871​	1x WC; 4x PR; 3x RVV
4​	BETTINI, Paolo	1675​	2x WC; 1x OLY; 2x LBL; 2x GDL; 1x MSR
5​	GILBERT, Philippe	1335​	1x WC; 2x GDL; 1x RVV; 1x PR; 1x LBL
6​	SAGAN, Peter	1303​	3x WC; 1x RVV; 1x PR
7​	VAN DER POEL, Mathieu	1137​	1x WC; 2x RVV; 1x PR; 1x MSR
8​	FREIRE, Oscar	1052​	2x WC; 3x MSR
9​	ALAPHILIPPE, Julian	1044​	2x WC; 1x MSR
10​	VAN AERT, Wout	1042​	1x MSR

All prestigious one-day races

1​	VALVERDE, Alejandro	3600​	1x WC; 4x LBL; 5x FW; 2x CSS; 1x LAZ
2​	BOONEN, Tom	3322​	1x WC; 4x PR; 3x RVV; 3x GW; 5x E3H; 2x SS; 2x PB
3​	GILBERT, Philippe	2901​	1x WC; 2x GDL; 1x RVV; 1x PR; 1x LBL; 4x AGR; 2x PT; 1x FW; 1x CSS; 2x PIEM; 2x OHV; 1x STRBI; 1x GPQ
4​	SAGAN, Peter	2567​	3x WC; 1x RVV; 1x PR; 3x GW; 2x GPQ; 1x GPMON; 1x E3H
5​	BETTINI, Paolo	2514​	2x WC; 1x OLY; 2x LBL; 2x GDL; 1x MSR; 2x ZUR; 1x HEW; 1x CSS; 1x LAZ
6​	CANCELLARA, Fabian	2474​	3x RVV; 3x PR; 1x MSR; 3x STRBI; 3x E3H
7​	REBELLIN, Davide	2198​	1x LBL; 3x FW; 1x AGR; 2x EMIL; 1x VEN; 1x RHT
8​	VAN AVERMAET, Greg	2164​	1x OLY; 1x PR; 1x PT; 1x GW; 2x OHV; 2x GPMON; 1x E3H
9​	VAN AERT, Wout	1850​	1x MSR; 1x GW; 1x AGR; 2x E3H; 1x STRBI; 1x OHV
10​	KRISTOFF, Alexander	1724​	1x RVV; 1x MSR; 1x HEW; 1x GW; 4x RHT; 2x SS

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The main conclusion is that Mathieu van der Poel does not rank among the best one-day riders

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