Rate Paris-Roubaix 2016

[BigMac]

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No way sep is the best cobbled rider... sagan, boonen and cancellara are a step above

I don't know about Sagan and Cance because they weren't in the mix, but Sep really outgunned Boonen in the cobbles today and I rekon he'd have done the same to the other two.

 

[ice&fire]

If Sagan and Cancellara had been at the front... nobody would have been racing from 120kms to the finish

 

[DFA123]

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No way sep is the best cobbled rider... sagan, boonen and cancellara are a step above

I don't know about Sagan and Cance because they weren't in the mix, but Sep really outgunned Boonen in the cobbles today and I rekon he'd have done the same to the other two.

The way he held that 10 second gap for about 4km with the other three all taking turns to chase him was super-impressive. I think he should have tried to go straight past Boonen and Hayman when he caught them entering the velodrome - try to get a gap and hold it to the line - they were both right on the limit. Perhaps he just didnt have the legs either though by that stage.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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No way sep is the best cobbled rider... sagan, boonen and cancellara are a step above

I don't know about Sagan and Cance because they weren't in the mix, but Sep really outgunned Boonen in the cobbles today and I rekon he'd have done the same to the other two.

Based on what?

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

9 because Boonen finished seocnd

 

[wayahead]

9. Great race due to circumstances. Happy for winner. I'm just sorry Fabian crashed, it would be even more interesting. Two strongest riders out is my reason for not giving 10.

 

[BigMac]

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No way sep is the best cobbled rider... sagan, boonen and cancellara are a step above

I don't know about Sagan and Cance because they weren't in the mix, but Sep really outgunned Boonen in the cobbles today and I rekon he'd have done the same to the other two.

Based on what?

Based on him being tremendous. It's just an assumption/comparison based on one end but I'm confident about it.

 

[Põhja Konn]

A perfect 10. As good as a race can get.

 

[Echoes]

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I don't know about Sagan and Cance because they weren't in the mix, but Sep really outgunned Boonen in the cobbles today and I rekon he'd have done the same to the other two.

Vanderaerden said it before the race, nobody rides faster on the cobbles than Vanmarcke. Already in previous years, Vanmarcke proved a better cobbled specialist than Cancellara. Cancellara is more all-round.

Sagan was not in front because he wasn't good enough. Plus, Cancellara's crash is a further proof.

Lol I bet you haven't seen 2003 live. How old were you?

 

[BigMac]

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I don't know about Sagan and Cance because they weren't in the mix, but Sep really outgunned Boonen in the cobbles today and I rekon he'd have done the same to the other two.

Vanderaerden said it before the race, nobody rides faster on the cobbles than Vanmarcke. Already in previous years, Vanmarcke proved a better cobbled specialist than Cancellara. Cancellara is more all-round.

Sagan was not in front because he wasn't good enough.

Lol I bet you haven't seen 2003 live. How old were you?

Ye I haven't, told ya up thread. I was 5.

 

[Echoes]

Was a reply of the post up thread. My Internet is bad and I can't make a double quote.

 

[Brullnux]

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9.5 almost perfect. If Sagan and/or Cancellara had got back on then 10.

And now for the ardennes...

I don't understand that. If Sagan and Canc would have got back on it would have been a completely different race. Immediately the pace would have dropped and it would have become defensive - no-one willing to work on the front, before a bit of action on the Carrefour de l'abre and a reduced bunch sprint.

It was exciting precisely because the two big favourites were dropped, and suddenly about 10 riders in the lead group realised they had a genuine shot at winning.

I mean got back on right on the Carrefour de l'arbre, with both of them exhausted.

 

[Matteo.]

9.5 because Canc and Sagan were behind.
but it was awesome...the last 15kms( from the carrefour) were simply great. Attacks on attacks.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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No way sep is the best cobbled rider... sagan, boonen and cancellara are a step above

I don't know about Sagan and Cance because they weren't in the mix, but Sep really outgunned Boonen in the cobbles today and I rekon he'd have done the same to the other two.

Based on what?

Based on him being tremendous. It's just an assumption/comparison based on one end but I'm confident about it.

He wasn't really tremendous, was he? I was actually rather disappointed that he couldn't gap the other four guys. If he cannot seriously distance a group of Boonen, Hayman, EBH and Stannard, then how is he supposed to distance the greatest of them all?

Sorry, it's not to be rude, but I think your "argument" is ridiculous. There were 3 guys who were stronger than him today, perfectly reflecting the result

 

[Red Rick]

Normally, it matters for for that a rider I like wins, and that nobody important missed out on a chance because of crashes.

But this race was too awesome in the end

10

5/7 perfect score

VINO

 

[sir fly]

Less than a ten would be a nitpicking.
The race has overcome my expectations.

A big bow to all involved.

 

[DFA123]

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No way sep is the best cobbled rider... sagan, boonen and cancellara are a step above

I don't know about Sagan and Cance because they weren't in the mix, but Sep really outgunned Boonen in the cobbles today and I rekon he'd have done the same to the other two.

Based on what?

Based on him being tremendous. It's just an assumption/comparison based on one end but I'm confident about it.

He wasn't really tremendous, was he? I was actually rather disappointed that he couldn't gap the other four guys. If he cannot seriously distance a group of Boonen, Hayman, EBH and Stannard, then how is he supposed to distance the greatest of them all?

Sorry, it's not to be rude, but I think your "argument" is ridiculous. There were 3 guys who were stronger than him today, perfectly reflecting the result

What?! He did gap them on two different cobble sections. On one of them holding them off for 4km before the three of them - working hard together - were able to catch him.

He had already distanced Cancellara earlier in the race.

 

[Brullnux]

He never distanced Cancellara I swear. He wasn't that strong today, otherwise I'm pretty sure he would've won. Standard, EBH and Boonen were good but I was expecting Sep to distance them by more than 10 seconds.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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I don't know about Sagan and Cance because they weren't in the mix, but Sep really outgunned Boonen in the cobbles today and I rekon he'd have done the same to the other two.

Based on what?

Based on him being tremendous. It's just an assumption/comparison based on one end but I'm confident about it.

He wasn't really tremendous, was he? I was actually rather disappointed that he couldn't gap the other four guys. If he cannot seriously distance a group of Boonen, Hayman, EBH and Stannard, then how is he supposed to distance the greatest of them all?

Sorry, it's not to be rude, but I think your "argument" is ridiculous. There were 3 guys who were stronger than him today, perfectly reflecting the result

What?! He did gap them on two different cobble sections. On one of them holding them off for 4km before the three of them - working hard together - were able to catch him.

He had already distanced Cancellara earlier in the race.

You know what I mean. He was caught again 1km after the pavé. He just didn't have it to finish it off.

I'm curious when did the bolded part happen? Jumped into the race with 130k to go and I did not see that

 

[DFA123]

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He never distanced Cancellara I swear. He wasn't that strong today, otherwise I'm pretty sure he would've won. Standard, EBH and Boonen were good but I was expecting Sep to distance them by more than 10 seconds.

Agreed, he wasn't that strong like Cancellara and Boonen have been at times in the past decade. But I think he was the best on the cobbles in this edition. He put the other contenders into difficulty on each of the last sectors. Just couldn't get enough of a gap to make the attacks stick on the asphalted roads.

 

[SevenTimeTdfChamp]

Hayman broke my dreams but this is still a clear 10. The last 20K was nearly too exciting to watch. Like a horror movie were you cant watch but still cant look a way. Again it is Tom Boonen who animates the race by attacking with Matrin from 120 k´s out

 

[gunara]

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Normally, it matters for for that a rider I like wins, and that nobody important missed out on a chance because of crashes.

But this race was too awesome in the end

10

5/7 perfect score

VINO

If the threshold for 'the rider I like' is 8, of the five only Boonen and maybe Hayman are above 6 for me Yet the race was so awesome, I had no time for preference.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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He never distanced Cancellara I swear. He wasn't that strong today, otherwise I'm pretty sure he would've won. Standard, EBH and Boonen were good but I was expecting Sep to distance them by more than 10 seconds.

Agreed, he wasn't that strong like Cancellara and Boonen have been at times in the past decade. But I think he was the best on the cobbles in this edition. He put the other contenders into difficulty on each of the last sectors. Just couldn't get enough of a gap to make the attacks stick on the asphalted roads.

Certainly the best of the five-man-group. Paris Roubaix is not a 250km only-cobbled-race though and if he doesn't improve his engine, he will never win the race.

 

[Brullnux]

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He never distanced Cancellara I swear. He wasn't that strong today, otherwise I'm pretty sure he would've won. Standard, EBH and Boonen were good but I was expecting Sep to distance them by more than 10 seconds.

Agreed, he wasn't that strong like Cancellara and Boonen have been at times in the past decade. But I think he was the best on the cobbles in this edition. He put the other contenders into difficulty on each of the last sectors. Just couldn't get enough of a gap to make the attacks stick on the asphalted roads.

And because of that reason I don't really think he was the strongest rider today. Best on the cobbles, yes. But he was up against a Boonen who attacked 120km out, Stannard who is good but not that good and EBH who isn't what I'd call a cobbled classic specialist. I'm not including Hayman because he went wide on the corner just before Vanmarcke attacked. Nevertheless, great performance by him

 

[DFA123]

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He never distanced Cancellara I swear. He wasn't that strong today, otherwise I'm pretty sure he would've won. Standard, EBH and Boonen were good but I was expecting Sep to distance them by more than 10 seconds.

Agreed, he wasn't that strong like Cancellara and Boonen have been at times in the past decade. But I think he was the best on the cobbles in this edition. He put the other contenders into difficulty on each of the last sectors. Just couldn't get enough of a gap to make the attacks stick on the asphalted roads.

Certainly the best of the five-man-group. Paris Roubaix is not a 250km only-cobbled-race though and if he doesn't improve his engine, he will never win the race.

That's true. It was almost a disadvantage for him that there wasn't a rider like Sagan, Canc or Degenkolb. The make up of the group meant they were always going to work together to chase him down. If there would have been a clearer favourite there, they all might have looked around and waited, allowing Sep to slip away.