Reactions and comments to The CIRC report

[sniper]

Look, this is, imo, why some posters have a feeling that RR has lost his touch in comparison to how he used to be wrt USPS/Lance.


RR busy mitigating the damning stuff from the report, instead of expressing concerns that apparently nothing has changed.

RR also speaking about how Schattenberg was invited but refused to talk to CIRC. No mention, however, of the Garmin riders and Millar not showing up at CIRC.
http://theraceradio.com/circ-report/

 

[bobbins]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/31809271

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Must have been up early and on the tramadol. Does he not look at the joke of a sport that he is in and thin that maybe they are taking the **** out of the fans with all their talk of zero tolerance and marginal gains yet his own team has more skeletons in its cupboard than most and has the most 'unbelievable' transformation in modern cycling as its star rider. Get over yourself G.

 

[mrhender]

Must have been up early and on the tramadol. Does he not look at the joke of a sport that he is in and thin that maybe they are taking the **** out of the fans with all their talk of zero tolerance and marginal gains yet his own team has more skeletons in its cupboard than most and has the most 'unbelievable' transformation in modern cycling as its star rider. Get over yourself G.

Sits there on his bike busting his *** off!! while crying the narrative of sacrifice and hard work... Being done a great injustice he has....

I call BS.....

 

[MartinGT]

Its to appease their faithful fans who got a wobble on. Nothing more.

He must think we were born yesterday.

 

[B_Ugli]

One of the most telling comments in the report was regarding the perception of what is "Clean".

Its this grey area that is the real problem as I doubt most purporting to be clean are riding on what the average Joe could get from his supermarket.

Therein lies the problem.

 

[sniper]

**** the hypocrisy @Digger_forum ? 5m 5 minutes ago

Millar saying the circ is libellous! The guy who was initiating legal proceedings against Kimmage, in 04, weeks before he was arrested.

Paul Kimmage @PaulKimmage ? 51m 51 minutes ago

Can anyone explain all the whining about CIRC from the British cycling press?

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[the sceptic]

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Andrew McQuaid ‏@andrewmcquaid 2m2 minutes ago

That's some neck on you @PaulKimmage, go on Twitter to criticise @nicholasroche, when you didn't bother your *** talking to CIRC?

The brits are getting upset

 

[bobbins]

None of those three are British

 

[nayr497]

"I hope that all riders who competed and doped can feel free to come forward and help the tonic of truth heal this great sport.?

The person who wrote Lance's statement should have realized the negative connotations of "tonic,"...an elixir sold by Snake oil Salesman's to those who believe in miracles.

 

[sniper]

None of those three are British

Millar is British and writing for the Telegraph.
I assume Kimmage's tweet was an implicit dig at him.
Millar in the Telegraph:

Cycling doping report: I do not recognise this almost tabloidesque account

that whole piece beggars belief.
some other snippets:

The sport has changed. All stakeholders have had to adapt. Some have led, others have followed. Almost all have understood. This is what it takes to change a culture.

The majority of riders winning the biggest races are clean.

But not long ago doping was endemic. The barrel was rotten. Now dopers are a minority, more akin to finding the occasional bad apple amongst the good. We need to maintain this state of affairs and start looking after the clean riders and not treating them all as criminals. They already endure the legacy of tarnished generations.

gimme strength.

 

[adker1]

Sounds like they need Armstrong Back...or a new one

So the report makes somethings pretty clear. UCI knew everyone was doping yet wanted to appear as though they had cleared things up after festina. They needed a new start and Armstrong gave them a marketing opportunity.

He gets caught just as they are moving forward, a little tit for tat, we will bury this but you get the peleton to shut up and step on anyone that starts to talk.

Now they are a team and no one from the back of the pack has the courage to say I can't win because I am clean.

Now in the wake of Armstrong and the realization by the world that the whole peleton was doping we still have a doping problem that exist and a leadership that is trying to act like we don't. The only thing they don't have is a bouncer like Lance that everyone if afraid of to keep everyone quite.

So the only solution is to clean house at the UCI which appears will never happen or find your next Armstrong to bring back Omerta write him a couple of TUE's let him win and become a hero and make enough money to make him shut everyone else up.

I would vote for a new leadership one with the balls to hit rock bottom and accept we are not out of the woods yet and the the sport is still going to be a cespool for a couple more years till we clean it up. Then again no one wants the job of being the new leader to that they can drag it further down.

What a mess

 

[nayr497]

It's depressing how right you might be. While we hoped things were getting better, maybe things were just stuck in neutral and haven't really been cleaned up at all. Ugh.

 

[D-Queued]

https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/n...-on-the-cycling-independent-reform-commission

...WADA invested a great deal of time and resources defending itself against what have now been proven to be completely unfounded and unjustified attacks by the then UCI leadership.

WADA is also shocked to read that the so called "Vrijman Report" which the UCI had publicly claimed to be independent was in fact partially written by the then UCI President himself with the assistance of Lance Armstrong's legal team. This also raises questions over the ethics and values in place at the highest levels of UCI governance at the time.

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Them's fighting words. I'll bet WADA was p!ssed. But, was it really a "shock" that Hein wrote it? They could well have suspected it all along. Nice to have the confirmation, though.

Confirmation of organized deception, slander and libel?

Sounds like time for a lawsuit!

Dave.

 

[doperhopper]

I think they are trying to make Verbruggen abdicate his throne. Remember his appointed title at the UCI is for life.

Yeah, dark ages, oligarchy, aristocracy, kings, titles for life, why not inheritable, that would be a great invention... welcome to the 21st century. Bussiness goes as usual, who cares about the underlying sport, or even those peasants called fans, from the Emperor's throne those ants are not even visible.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I would vote for a new leadership one with the balls to hit rock bottom and accept we are not out of the woods yet and the the sport is still going to be a cespool for a couple more years till we clean it up. Then again no one wants the job of being the new leader to that they can drag it further down.

What a mess

Indeed. It's helpful to remember the UCI is a federation of national cycling federations.

So, as much as you correctly state the federation is a mess, you have to dig down to the national federation level to get some honest people there first so they can alter the course of the UCI. Increasing transparency throughout the system would help as the CIRC mildly states.

None of this is likely however as the federation is run like the IOC itself. Hopelessly corrupt, enabling doping, with a worldwide monopoly on some sports. (Cycling, swimming, running, etc)

There are ways forward, but most require the thankless task of jousting with mega-corporation funded IOC windmills. I try to post facts that make the case, education. Not much else to do as an anonymous Internet w@nker.

 

[adker1]

None of this is likely however as the federation is run like the IOC itself. Hopelessly corrupt, enabling doping, with a worldwide monopoly on some sports. (Cycling, swimming, running, etc)
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Funny you mention those three, the next mess I promise you will come from Triathlon that has a structure much like the early days of Cycling, Ironman (like the TDF) holds all the money and the USAT as a governing body is to busy trying to gain public support to be trusted to police themselves with IOC as a funny little uncle on the side for the amateur that wants to make no money at the Olympics. While right now they have one woman that can gap and entire field in 6 straight events against the best in the world. Hmmmm super human? defies the laws of endurance sports?

And guess who they were trying to get to participate and bring public attention to the sport before he got banned for life?

 

[D-Queued]

Funny you mention those three, the next mess I promise you will come from Triathlon that has a structure much like the early days of Cycling, Ironman (like the TDF) holds all the money and the USAT as a governing body is to busy trying to gain public support to be trusted to police themselves with IOC as a funny little uncle on the side for the amateur that wants to make no money at the Olympics. While right now they have one woman that can gap and entire field in 6 straight events against the best in the world. Hmmmm super human? defies the laws of endurance sports?

And guess who they were trying to get to participate and bring public attention to the sport before he got banned for life?

Gawd, no.

Cycling needs triathlon to continue serving as the last resort for fatty masters dopers.

Dave.

 

[skippythepinhead]

Funny you mention those three, the next mess I promise you will come from Triathlon that has a structure much like the early days of Cycling, Ironman (like the TDF) holds all the money and the USAT as a governing body is to busy trying to gain public support to be trusted to police themselves with IOC as a funny little uncle on the side for the amateur that wants to make no money at the Olympics. While right now they have one woman that can gap and entire field in 6 straight events against the best in the world. Hmmmm super human? defies the laws of endurance sports?

And guess who they were trying to get to participate and bring public attention to the sport before he got banned for life?

You keep using that word "sport" in connection with triathlon. I do not think that word means what you think it means.

 

[Chipist]

The box.

Here's an idea. If you don't tick the anonymous testing box, your name goes on a list published on the UCI site.

 

[doperhopper]

Error in the matrix: You want to create an image of the New Era, set up the Comittee and the result is - Riis "likes the attitude" of CIRC. Verbruggen shamelessly claims a victory. And even Armstrong now hopes his ban can be ended. Imagine someone tried to predict such reactions one month ago. The boldest irony would be Team Livestrong once LA is purified (why not, if Riis can have his one, Uniballer was certainly cleaner, never reached 60%)

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Cycling needs triathlon to continue serving as the last resort for fatty masters dopers.

You may be eligible to take the p*ss out of triathletes, but in my view, no-one can legitimately do so until they've done some serious swimming. A mass start open water swim or interval training in the pool with the "Masters Swimmers" who tend to gravitate towards triathlon would provide food for thought!

Cycling is as hard as you make it. Swimming is just hard even without smacking your legs on the wall when you f*** up a tumble turn!

 

[skippythepinhead]

You may be eligible to take the p*ss out of triathletes, but in my view, no-one can legitimately do so until they've done some serious swimming. A mass start open water swim or interval training in the pool with the "Masters Swimmers" who tend to gravitate towards triathlon would provide food for thought!

Cycling is as hard as you make it. Swimming is just hard even without smacking your legs on the wall when you f*** up a tumble turn!

Swimming...amazing sport. Specialists are awesome.

 

[Catwhoorg]

You get tired on the bike, drop a gear and spin slowly for a bit to recover.

You get tired on a run, slow to a real jog or walk.

Get tired on an open water swim ? Suck it up (and hang onto a rescue boat), tread water or drown.

 

[sniper]

You get tired on the bike, drop a gear and spin slowly for a bit to recover.

You get tired on a run, slow to a real jog or walk.

Get tired on an open water swim ? Suck it up (and hang onto a rescue boat), tread water or drown.

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[adker1]

Get tired on an open water swim ? Suck it up (and hang onto a rescue boat), tread water or drown.

That is only true depending on your level of swimming, I was there once, but once you master the art of the face down dead mans float you can actually recover very effectively in swimming without sinking.

The biggest mistake most rookie swimmers make is using momentum to keep them from sinking.

That said I still think Triathlon will be the next to full into the doping dull drums and that the leadership'S of the sport are not leaning anything from what cycling has gone through.