Reactions from the peloton

[TheEnoculator]

Hey, speaking of stupid blokes, where's Horner in all of this? I expected him to have opened his big mouth by now.

 

[B_Ugli]

I am officially losing count of the number of riders prominent riders who are telling the fans and the world that this all happened in the past and that things are cleaner and everyone needs to move on.

The more they seem to do this the more that the mood amongst fans is moving from dismay to anger. Anger at the riders insulting our intelligence over and over and over again.

As other have said this happened in 2009-2010 under the current system!

The only motivation for "clean" riders wanting to move on is for fear of their federations re-examining passport data as USADA did. I can really see any other reason or motivation other than this.

 

[veganrob]

Hey, speaking of stupid blokes, where's Horner in all of this? I expected him to have opened his big mouth by now.

That is what I wonder. He is the loosest cannon in the peloton. How has he not said something incredibly stupid? No way he gets out of this unscathed.

 

[skidmark]

oh boy, unsurprising but cringe-worthy nonetheless...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/despite-usadas-evidence-liggett-remains-armstrongs-supporter

Let's see:

- done a lot of good things
- let's face it, they're only going for him
- disappointing yes, but he's a hero and he still would have won
- haven't read the report, but I hear they don't have any 'absolute proof'
- can't retire like he said he would if Armstrong was positive because he has contracts

is it wrong to want to beat up a 70-year old?

 

[hrotha]

I had an email from an eminent scientist from the US yesterday. An SMS actually. It said if Lance Armstrong had taken the drugs outlined by USADA he’d have been dead ten years ago. He’s an eminent scientist and a very intelligent man. I don’t know his name, the SMS came from a secondary person.

Is this the same unnamed source who told him about USADA bribing LA's former teammates?

 

[RichWalk]

Is this the same unnamed source who told him about USADA bribing LA's former teammates?

His comments are pittyful, what next Lance is an alien or 'the second coming'?

 

[TheEnoculator]

oh boy, unsurprising but cringe-worthy nonetheless...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/despite-usadas-evidence-liggett-remains-armstrongs-supporter

Let's see:

- done a lot of good things
- let's face it, they're only going for him
- disappointing yes, but he's a hero and he still would have won
- haven't read the report, but I hear they don't have any 'absolute proof'
- can't retire like he said he would if Armstrong was positive because he has contracts

is it wrong to want to beat up a 70-year old?

Liggett, as I have said before, is Armstrong's propaganda leader. He uses his "voice of cycling" to perpetrate his ideals for Armstrong. He's like Goebbels to Armstrong's Hitler. People like Liggett are exactly the reason why there will always be doping in cycling, or in any sport as a matter of fact. They trivialize the doping and ignore the trafficking/bullying/threats, and empathize the good things Armstrong has done to declare the man as a "hero" and make doping out as not a big deal. They are essentially saying, "so what if he's proved to be doping, he's done so much good." So that makes it OK to cheat?

Cycling is doomed with people like Liggett working and talking.

 

[thehog]

Is this the same unnamed source who told him about USADA bribing LA's former teammates?

He’s still spouting the same old crap. Just changed his tone slightly to fit the audience. He’s a joke. An utter joke.

I will give him the fact that he’s old. But he’s still trying to lessen the severity of the fraud which he was an integral part of.

Where’s that photo of Phil on the private jet again?

 

[Big Doopie]

It sure is what is expected from a doper.

bingo.

i hate the schlecks. they are complete frauds.

 

[hiero2]

Liggett, as I have said before, is Armstrong's propaganda leader. He uses his "voice of cycling" to perpetrate his ideals for Armstrong. He's like Goebbels to Armstrong's Hitler. People like Liggett are exactly the reason why there will always be doping in cycling, or in any sport as a matter of fact. They trivialize the doping and ignore the trafficking/bullying/threats, and empathize the good things Armstrong has done to declare the man as a "hero" and make doping out as not a big deal. They are essentially saying, "so what if he's proved to be doping, he's done so much good." So that makes it OK to cheat?

Cycling is doomed with people like Liggett working and talking.

Godwin's Law strikes again! Internet Rule #1


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...s-and-laws-the-top-10-from-Godwin-to-Poe.html

http://xkcd.com/261/

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/

 

[TheEnoculator]

Godwin's Law strikes again! Internet Rule #1


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...s-and-laws-the-top-10-from-Godwin-to-Poe.html

http://xkcd.com/261/

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/

Didn't know such a law existed. Good one! In this case, the comparison, at least for me, was inevitable. It's too obvious.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

He’s still spouting the same old crap. Just changed his tone slightly to fit the audience. He’s a joke. An utter joke.

I will give him the fact that he’s old. But he’s still trying to lessen the severity of the fraud which he was an integral part of.

Where’s that photo of Phil on the private jet again?

 

[hiero2]

I had an email from an eminent scientist from the US yesterday. An SMS actually. It said if Lance Armstrong had taken the drugs outlined by USADA he’d have been dead ten years ago. He’s an eminent scientist and a very intelligent man. I don’t know his name, the SMS came from a secondary person. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/despite-usadas-evidence-liggett-remains-armstrongs-supporter

Is this the same unnamed source who told him about USADA bribing LA's former teammates?

The scientist is right. Lance DID die. What we saw was the first generation of the Canc motorized bicycle! Clever LA look-alike robot, too! Improved to pee on demand!

 

[mikkemus23]

FU Andy Shrek.

Disgusting. "Random" naming of Frankie Andreu, it is no use....hell yeah it`s no not important that the cause is the biggest fraud in sports ever.

This is OMERTA 101.

What a tool.

But who cares what this skinny ****er says anyway?

 

[skidmark]

Is this the same unnamed source who told him about USADA bribing LA's former teammates?

"I had an email from a Nigerian prince yesterday. An SMS actually. He told me that if I gave him my bank information, he would give me $1m. I don't know his name, but he's a very respected prince and of course I gave him that information"

 

[Maxiton]

He has contracts til 2016. No doubt one of them is with Lance.

 

[Fatclimber]

I am officially losing count of the number of riders prominent riders who are telling the fans and the world that this all happened in the past and that things are cleaner and everyone needs to move on.

The more they seem to do this the more that the mood amongst fans is moving from dismay to anger. Anger at the riders insulting our intelligence over and over and over again...

Yeah I'm just about ready to do as they suggest, and move on. I'm amazed at how few riders are showing any kind of disgust over what has happened in their livelihood/sport/career. The rampant cheating has made a mockery of the sport and the current riders' attitudes continue to do the same thing. Nothing is going to change here. It has been an excellent case study in human nature is all I can say.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Glenn Magnusson, Swedish national team coach (USPS 1999), doesn't think it was a witch hunt against Armstrong after all, but now says Armstrong beat almost 1000 tests.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/cykel/article15591459.ab (Swedish)

he has nowhere near had 1000 tests and he also failed like at least 8 of them by now

 

[thehog]

Yeah I'm just about ready to do as they suggest, and move on. I'm amazed at how few riders are showing any kind of disgust over what has happened in their livelihood/sport/career. The rampant cheating has made a mockery of the sport and the current riders' attitudes continue to do the same thing. Nothing is going to change here. It has been an excellent case study in human nature is all I can say.

It’s also Proudhomme (sp?) they’re behaving if its “no big deal”. If my race had been destroyed by one person for a 10 year period I’d be furious. They’re behaving like “yeah it’s ok, we’ll just remove his name and carry on”. The current peloton is the same bar Fabs. I’m sure the UCI scare them but there should be outrage and disgust. They’re all “whatever – lets we talk about the future of cycling”.

My assumption they want to get keep UCI favors in the bag if that day comes when they test positive.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

a disappointing interview with andy schleck from current tour of beijing.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/andy-schleck-cycling-needs-to-focus-on-the-future

basically says, the past should just be forgotten about as it doesn't impact on the future, which he "believes in". he is unconcerned that the past has just caused the departure of his manager Bruyneel, "It's his problem, not mine," or the fact his brother tested positive at the TdF a couple of months ago. "Everybody knows, even the experts, that it's not a doping product, that Fränk did nothing wrong."

Everyone but Fränk it would seem. "The medical world states that this product... can even cause death. Therefore I really need to find the cause that clarifies how this product ended up in my system: since I didn’t take anything."

Andy seems to be another leading member of the peloton who remains blissfully unaware of the irony when he postulates, "People have to trust us. I know, that's easier said than done, and what we're reading these days doesn't make our sport any more credible."

how can you be disapointed by anything andy ever says? I thought it has been clear since him making up the chaingate mechanical that he's an utter do*che and nothing out of his mouth should be taken serious. just look at my avatar to see what a tool he really is

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

It’s also Proudhomme (sp?) they’re behaving if its “no big deal”. If my race had been destroyed by one person for a 10 year period I’d be furious. They’re behaving like “yeah it’s ok, we’ll just remove his name and carry on”. The current peloton is the same bar Fabs. I’m sure the UCI scare them but there should be outrage and disgust. They’re all “whatever – lets we talk about the future of cycling”.

My assumption they want to get keep UCI favors in the bag if that day comes when they test positive.

these riders are confronted almost every day with doping allegatiosn or talks directly or indirectly. yeah you grow tired from it after a while

 

[frenchfry]

I had an email from an eminent scientist from the US yesterday. An SMS actually. It said if Lance Armstrong had taken the drugs outlined by USADA he’d have been dead ten years ago. He’s an eminent scientist and a very intelligent man. I don’t know his name, the SMS came from a secondary person.

Is this the same unnamed source who told him about USADA bribing LA's former teammates?

So what about Hamilton. He doped like Armstrong for many years and he isn't dead. In fact he looks pretty healthy. And Hincapie, a regular chaudière for even longer than Lancey-poo and he is still going strong.

Phil, you are sooooo stupid it hurts. I am embarassed for you and I don't even like you!

 

[Fatclimber]

these riders are confronted almost every day with doping allegatiosn or talks directly or indirectly. yeah you grow tired from it after a while

With so many riders being confronted so many times I would hope to hear more quotes vilifying doping rather than just ignoring it. Hell, Schleck of all people should have some strong opinions having been handed a TDF victory after being beaten into second place a doping Contador. Of course the reasons are obvious, but is there anybody out there to condemn Armstrong rather than praise him? Can the sport really move beyond its doping problems when no riders give a damn?

 

[hfer07]

It’s also Proudhomme (sp?) they’re behaving if its “no big deal”. If my race had been destroyed by one person for a 10 year period I’d be furious. They’re behaving like “yeah it’s ok, we’ll just remove his name and carry on”. The current peloton is the same bar Fabs. I’m sure the UCI scare them but there should be outrage and disgust. They’re all “whatever – lets we talk about the future of cycling”.

My assumption they want to get keep UCI favors in the bag if that day comes when they test positive.

I'm bothered by that too. I imagine they (ASO) got a lot a money from sponsors during the LA years to let this issue slide like nothing...

Business as usual...

At least Zomegnan complained when LA "milked" the money from RCS.....

 

[Fatclimber]

I agree. As no doubt do quite a few others.

I note David is still doing PR for Sky. His sister must be pleased.

In this thread, a lot of people were trumpeting Millar as the white knight come to save cycling.

At the time, I called shenanigans, as did a number of others.

Allegedly, Millar grilled McQuaid and it was good for the sport.

My main concern was his entire speech looked like a press release, and included Sky and Garmin as clean teams winning GTs. And his sister Fran is a PR officer for Sky. And David owns part of Garmin. And David raced with Matt White, went on training camps with Matt White and got caught doping when they were on the same team together, then hired him as the best damn DS ever.

David's words now change:



I put it to you that David's words may have changed, but his internal dialog / value system / belief system / motivations / modus operandi have not.

Easy big fella, since my quote is among those you referenced, I assume I am one viewing Millar as a 'White Knight?' Let's not get carried away. I did and continue to give him kudos for asking doping questions to the UCI president, who else is doing it? And of those who have (uh, are there any?), how many are riders?

Millar has been a hypocrit in the past, as I said. And if he continues down the same old beaten, blindfolded path, then there you have it again, back to Mr. Hypocrit. It'd be a shame if he didn't continue with his UCI criticism, but it looks like he's done. Just because someone is mostly a dipsh*t it doesn't mean he can't be given credit for doing something positive, at least not for me.

Some of us get excited when a rider engages in doping discussions and the rarity of this accurance is a reflection of the sorry state cycling is in.