Reactions from the peloton

[thehog]

Mark Cavendish what a silly little kid he is.

Actually Mark the really stupid one is you as you dont have the half a brain to realise that firstly Armstrongs doping happened under the present bp system and that most intelligent fans can see that as the reality.

And they wonder why the fans are suspicious.

 

[The Gnome]

yeah...Mark isnt the brightest bulb on the tree...just ride your bike Mark and STFU...

 

[hrotha]

Bassons in the Observer tomorrow:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/oct/13/christophe-bassons-not-bitter-lance-armstrong

Oooh, that one's gonna sting. Nothing bothers a bully so much as their victim taking the high road and looking down on them almost with pity.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Bassons for president of the UCI.

Class, intelligent and clean.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Retracted or not, these are what the up and comers think:

Dowsett: Lance is a legend of the sport.
Talanksy: Lance never tested positive.
Van den Broek: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/van-den-broeck-and-devolder-didnt-notice-anything-at-us-postal

Never liked this guy since his days with Evans when he was crap support. Then BANG a GC rider in his own right.

Van Den Broeck, who raced in Armstrong's team from 2004 to 2006, echoed Devolder's statements. "I never noticed anything forbidden," he said. "I never heard or saw anything. I was only 21 years old then, and raced another programme compared to the big names. I raced perhaps three times with Armstrong himself."

"I was treated respectfully and patiently by Dirk Demol, always with care, never any pressure. It was ideal for a young rider with ambition for the Grand Tours."

Twice a fourth-place Tour de France finisher since then, Van Den Broeck continues to praise Armstrong. "Regarding training and commitment, he's still a role model to me. The way in which he prepared for the Tour was impressive," the Belgian said, before criticising the relative immunity of those who testified against the cancer survivor.

"The fact that Armstrong is treated differently than the witnesses is not fair in my opinion. They emphasize their regrets, but they've earned a lot of money during their careers. It's a bit lame I think."

Van Den Broeck suggestedv that every rider makes a personal choice whether to use doping product, even during the times when it was more wide-spread in the peloton than it allegedly is now.

"It's nonsense to say that it was impossible to race without doping at the time. There were those who chose to dope, it was a human choice. They have to accept the consequences," he said.

 

[blackcat]

why do G Thomas and Talansky bow down and pay homage to Armstrong? Why not just put a sticker on your forehead saying "I AM.... A..... DOPER"

Even Wigans is not that stupid

 

[Carlo Algatrensig]

why do G Thomas and Talansky bow down and pay homage to Armstrong? Why not just put a sticker on your forehead saying "I AM.... A..... DOPER"

Even Wigans is not that stupid

Have you got a link for what Thomas has said as I've seen no response from him to the armstrong situation yet.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Glenn Magnusson:

August 24

He [Glenn] is not surprised that Armstrong gives up his struggle to prove himself innocent.

- He has never had any blemish in his career. He has never been convicted of anything. There has been a witch-hunt against him from the USADA. It has been going on for many years. I understand that he is tired. This might have continued until he is an old man.

Post Reasoned Decision

Lance Armstrong has already been stripped of everything - the evidence was released this past Wednesday.

A 1000 page report details the cheating.

Among other things, 25 witnesses, eleven of them old team mates, step forward and talk about the cheating.

Travis Tygart, head of the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency USADA, also accused his team, U.S. Postal Service, for running "the most successful doping program that the sport has ever seen".

The coach of the national road cycling team, Glenn Magnusson, rode for the team in 1999 but does not want to acknowledge the claim.

- It may well be that some were doing something and you then want to say it was organized. This was not the case.

Do you have any experience with doping?

- No, personally I don't. Only that there have been many controls.

Glenn Magnusson says that he never noticed anything different in Lance Armstrong, except how incredibly driven he was, but confirms that there were suspicions against others.

- Of course you suspect people sometimes. But I haven't seen anything. I guess it's not something you flaunt, he says.

Last summer, when doping allegations against Armstrong kicked off a hefty media storm, Magnusson said it was a "witch hunt."

He now backpedals.

- I say, as always, what has been concluded must be the truth. These are people that know or should know this stuff, so I stand behind the decision.

- But he has gone through nearly 1000 doping controls without an adverse finding. One begins to wonder if they work, he says calmly.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

1000!!!

My eyebrows just broke off.

 

[Mad Elephant Man]

Since when has about 250 been close to 1000.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

After Landis told the truth.

Magnusson is particularly surprised by the claim that Bruyneel introduced Landis to doping.

- There are many other leaders in the sport of cycling that I would suspect before Johan. One is always surprised when someone's been involved in doping, but I would be really surprised if Johan was. He is a person I look up to, says Magnusson.

 

[taiwan]

Since when has about 250 been close to 1000.

Round up to the nearest 500. Then round up to the nearest 1000. Simple.

 

[thehog]

Interesting comments from David Millar.

Has a go at Sky, saying they can do more and says he was'nt happy at the answers McQuaid gave him when he questioned him at the Worlds.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/other-sports/cycling-lancing-the-boil.19142378

Not bad but he just can't mention Floyd can he?

His last paragraph is good. Which is true.

"The sport has got better since McQuaid came in, but he has to break free of Verbruggen," he said. "I don't think the UCI are doing a bad job now, they're at the forefront of anti-doping but they're self-sabotaging by not dealing with the past. This is Pat's moment. Now it's up to him."

 

[workingclasshero]

ducking hell

that quote from Magnusson on Bruyneel! A classic!

"(...) always surprised when someone's been involved in doping, but I would be really surprised if Johan was."


also love his witch hunt claims. And he shows himself to be on a different level to any other lance lovers when he takes the testometer to a nice little 1000.

jesus christ.


what a start to the morning reading that was cheers tylerstwin

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

why do G Thomas and Talansky bow down and pay homage to Armstrong? Why not just put a sticker on your forehead saying "I AM.... A..... DOPER"

Even Wigans is not that stupid

this is so much bs. clearly these guys were a fan of lance. when you are a fan you are not going to condemn him from one to the next moment. nobody does that to a hero. it is hilarious though these guys were fans of lance and appearantly thought he was clean while during his career it was pretty clear he wasn;t.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Glenn Magnusson:

August 24



Post Reasoned Decision

why would anyone ask or care what glenn magnusson has to say? he was already a joke during his cycling carere and I doubt most fo you know who he is. still he rode with amore vita though

 

[hrotha]

I'm positively surprised by Millar's attacks on Verbruggen, but he's too soft on Pat, who is 100% part of the problem. Millar talks about acknowledging the past, but apparently that only applies to the distant past which is comfortably easy to acknowledge when you're already tainted yourself, not to the recent past (UCI covering up Contador? Testers giving Armstrong 20 minutes to take a shower before a test? Armstrong not having to comply with the 6 months of controls in advance of the Tour Down Under? Armtrongs' passport probably not being flagged for examination by the panel?).

 

[Benotti69]

I'm positively surprised by Millar's attacks on Verbruggen, but he's too soft on Pat, who is 100% part of the problem. Millar talks about acknowledging the past, but apparently that only applies to the distant past which is comfortably easy to acknowledge when you're already tainted yourself, not to the recent past (UCI covering up Contador? Testers giving Armstrong 20 minutes to take a shower before a test? Armstrong not having to comply with the 6 months of controls in advance of the Tour Down Under? Armtrongs' passport probably not being flagged for examination by the panel?).

Yes, this is why I have a problem with Millar. Nothing got better with McQuaid.
We saw the debacle of Contador, how he was going to get away with it until a German journo got wind of the positive for Clen.

McQuaid is cut from the same cloth as Verbruggen. For Millar to say different is bullsh!t and makes him an idiot.

How does Millar defend McQuaid's legal action against Landis, Kimmage and prior to that LeMond?

Millar still playing both sides of the fence in the mould of JV. When someone does that, I have no faith in their motives!

 

[AcademyCC]

this is so much bs. clearly these guys were a fan of lance. when you are a fan you are not going to condemn him from one to the next moment. nobody does that to a hero. it is hilarious though these guys were fans of lance and appearantly thought he was clean while during his career it was pretty clear he wasn;t.

Man you talk so much drivel. That's the whole ****ing problem. We need riders to come out and say yes that was wrong. If you are a fan of someone then USADA drops a nuclear bomb on them I hope anyone would have enough wit to say we accept the past and as current riders its our duty to make things better.

Not some hash about it was a different era, not happening anymore, cycling still being tainted by the past. They need to stop talking crap and accept their role as someone who is moving pro cycling into a new era and nail the ****er.

 

[the asian]

We all know. Macquaid is a puppet of Hein. Millar seems to think that if he detaches himself from Hein he wouldn't be as quite bad.

However he is forgetting that Pat is an incompetent administrator not fit enough to govern an International sports body, whether he distances himself from Hein or not.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Man you talk so much drivel. That's the whole ****ing problem. We need riders to come out and say yes that was wrong. If you are a fan of someone then USADA drops a nuclear bomb on them I hope anyone would have enough wit to say we accept the past and as current riders its our duty to make things better.

Not some hash about it was a different era, not happening anymore, cycling still being tainted by the past. They need to stop talking crap and accept their role as someone who is moving pro cycling into a new era and nail the ****er.

look it's easy for you and me. we both weren't armstrong fans or armstrong followers as theys eem almost, was like a religion or a cult. these guys see their dream and their religion disapear over night

 

[hrotha]

look it's easy for you and me. we both weren't armstrong fans or armstrong followers as theys eem almost, was like a religion or a cult. these guys see their dream and their religion disapear over night

Well, I think the issue is that this wasn't overnight. This has been going on for years. LA Confidential was published 8 years ago. Landis did his thing 2 and a half years ago. I refuse to believe a pro rider would know less about Armstrong's doping than the average Clinic forumer.

Look at Phinney for an example of someone who clearly had a change of heart by the simple process of educating himself a little.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Well, I think the issue is that this wasn't overnight. This has been going on for years. LA Confidential was published 8 years ago. Landis did his thing 2 and a half years ago. I refuse to believe a pro rider would know less about Armstrong's doping than the average Clinic forumer.

it's been going on for years yes for us. but not for those fans, keep in mind the federal case was shut just a few months ago stating not enough proove.

 

[AcademyCC]

Well, I think the issue is that this wasn't overnight. This has been going on for years. LA Confidential was published 8 years ago. Landis did his thing 2 and a half years ago. I refuse to believe a pro rider would know less about Armstrong's doping than the average Clinic forumer.

Look at Phinney for an example of someone who clearly had a change of heart by the simple process of educating himself a little.

Bang on the mark. I ask myself this question all the time. Are these guys just stupid or what is at play here?

I presume they are not stupid, maybe I'm wrong. If you are involved in pro cycling, especially a current rider surely you have been told stories and have more knowledge than fans on the outside. That's the most frustrating point for me.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Bang on the mark. I ask myself this question all the time. Are these guys just stupid or what is at play here?

I presume they are not stupid, maybe I'm wrong. If you are involved in pro cycling, especially a current rider surely you have been told stories and have more knowledge than fans on the outside. That's the most frustrating point for me.

love makes you blind. and guys like phill ligget probably loved him more then they did their wifes