Reactions from the peloton

[perfessor]

There's the pattern: kick the current pariah.

McQuaid & UCI are looking complicit, media backlash is rising... kick McQuaid! Even if 3 months earlier that pariah was commending you.



Now Hein is the pariah - see the shift in the media attention? Hein and Nike, Hein and Kathy Lemond, Hein and SMSs.

Now Millar says McQuaid is going ok. Starts kicking the new pariah, Hein. "McQuaid needs to ditch Hein"

Nike et al drop Lance, turning him, finally, into the new pariah and...... - BOOM -

Millar kicks the other new pariah - Lance.

Pariahs are easy targets. Costs you nothing to kick them. Costs you nothing to be an anonymous supporter (JV) of someone (F Andreu) who has publicly stated Lance doped.

That's about the way I saw it as well...Rehab McQuaid and blame it all on Hein. Then they can move forward...transparently.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

That's about the way I saw it as well...Rehab McQuaid and blame it all on Hein. Then they can move forward...transparently.

Is this sincere? McQuaid is banned from the Olympics. I don't think he should be held up as someone worthy of the role of guiding cycling forward.

 

[noddy69]

Who in the name of "insert deity of choice" are the riders afraid of, or is it safe to say they are all either mentally challenged,taking drugs themselves or have the same crap PR people. Terpstra's comment on the past and how it was before his time blah blah blah...eh team mate still cycling, lance raced in 2009 and Terpstra started in 2007, eh contador, galymzyanov,schlek etc etc etc
Roche lambasting recent drug cheats and the witneses but leaving Lance out of his Tirade(and Alberto, but I can let him off that one).

Even the ones who have "come clean" are clearly just reading a script....everyone stopped in the same year blah blah blah. While there are some good comments starting to come out its looking like a batton down the hatches job. The play stupid tactic is ridiculous, they seriously want us to believe they no nothing about cheating and what goes on or went on in their sport,that the public know more about pro cycling goings on than the pro cyclists, they really take us for fools. Alex Dowsett the honorary muppet, let slip what the cyclist fraternity really think...Lance is a legend of the sport.
Sky have some serious thinking to do about that muppet but he certainly is not the only one.

 

[perfessor]

Is this sincere? McQuaid is banned from the Olympics. I don't think he should be held up as someone worthy of the role of guiding cycling forward.

haha!, no, no. I forget, no one knows me here --I'm a sarcastic *******. The whole reason I posted the link was Millar's entire interview read very suspiciously...just like everything else I've read of his.
Gotta use those winkies
The media is clambering for Pat's head (as they should), and there's Millar, trying to rehab him in the interview...I couldn't believe it

 

[Dear Wiggo]

haha!, no, no. I forget, no one knows me here --I'm a sarcastic *******. The whole reason I posted the link was Millar's entire interview read very suspiciously...just like everything else I've read of his.
Gotta use those winkies
The media is clambering for Pat's head (as they should), and there's Millar, trying to rehab him in the interview...I couldn't believe it

Phew!

I couldn't tell - thanks for the follow up. I am sarcastic also, but tend to winkie to help people pick up tone because I try to be sincere a lot of the time.

 

[hrotha]

How dose a clean rider prove it when thanks to all the dirty riders it its believed by most that everyone dopes

You can't prove a negative. But why do most people believe in Bassons, Tombak and Moncoutié? Because people who came clean and had no vented interest in them vouched for their being clean.

 

[fat_boy_fat]

It's curious that he calls for the head of Verbuggren, but thinks McQuaid is still salvageable:

That’s an easy one: You don’t conquer a position inside a governing body without a proper army. Confronting them all won’t help David, so he chose for the good ol’ "divide et impera".

 

[87'Start]

Response from Gesink

This from the CN article on Gesink's view:

“Of course there were a lot of bad things going on in cycling, everyone saw and it’s never a good thing to have a sponsors name on something like that and I didn’t think it would happen. Not at this moment when the team is full of young guys doing things the right way. Now the generation gets **** from a different generation from before who did wrong things. Now we’re losing one of the biggest sponsors in cycling ever. I don’t have any words for it but it’s one of the worst things that could happen.”

Well Robert if the younger generation are being s**t on as you say then all club together break the Omerta once and for all and call out the UCI. Where is your vocal condemnation of recent positives!

 

[cineteq]

Chechu Rubiera, another deaf rider. Blames UCI.
http://biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=56505 [Spanish]

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

This from the CN article on Gesink's view:

“Of course there were a lot of bad things going on in cycling, everyone saw and it’s never a good thing to have a sponsors name on something like that and I didn’t think it would happen. Not at this moment when the team is full of young guys doing things the right way. Now the generation gets **** from a different generation from before who did wrong things. Now we’re losing one of the biggest sponsors in cycling ever. I don’t have any words for it but it’s one of the worst things that could happen.”

Well Robert if the younger generation are being s**t on as you say then all club together break the Omerta once and for all and call out the UCI. Where is your vocal condemnation of recent positives!

gesink knows his day as a protected gt rider are over. no sponsor other than rabo are that stupid to gove him a job. good riddance though

 

[skidmark]

gesink knows his day as a protected gt rider are over. no sponsor other than rabo are that stupid to gove him a job. good riddance though

Personal shots aside, I do appreciate that in Gesink's statement he said something to the effect of "I'm disappointed hearing insiders say they are shocked; everyone knew what was going on". Not many riders have gone even that far. Hopefully the fact that the worst fear (losing sponsors and $$) has been realized will loosen some tongues.

 

[perfessor]

The lack of nested quotes, here doesn't help either, it's hard to hold on to the context when you only see the last post.

Quote:
Originally Posted by perfessor
haha!, no, no. I forget, no one knows me here --I'm a sarcastic *******. The whole reason I posted the link was Millar's entire interview read very suspiciously...just like everything else I've read of his.
Gotta use those winkies
The media is clambering for Pat's head (as they should), and there's Millar, trying to rehab him in the interview...I couldn't believe it

Phew!

I couldn't tell - thanks for the follow up. I am sarcastic also, but tend to winkie to help people pick up tone because I try to be sincere a lot of the time.

 

[AussieEdge]

You can't prove a negative. But why do most people believe in Bassons, Tombak and Moncoutié? Because people who came clean and had no vented interest in them vouched for their being clean.

Well thanks for your answer, at least someone did it's a valid point but one not always used

It also gives me a good point to argue on when I need it on a similar topic

 

[AussieEdge]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/more-s...wn-peace-of-mind/story-fndukor0-1226497727051

I picked this quote, cause it made me lol

Well you tell me what invested interest Hamilton has for saying that?

You don't mind believing him when he says who doped in his book but won't when he says he believes X doesn't???

I think I'm lost...

Hamilton would know more than every forumer here put together

 

[frenchfry]

Chechu Rubiera, another deaf rider. Blames UCI.
http://biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=56505 [Spanish]

Rubiera has always been a staunch defender of Armstrong and all things doping.

He is one of the worst kind, posing as a victim of anti-doping 5 minutes after he pulled the syringe out of his ***.

Whatever he says, if he isn't fessing up for a career of doping, lying, and general scullduggery then it isn't worth reading.

 

[Baroh1488]

Is this sincere? McQuaid is banned from the Olympics. I don't think he should be held up as someone worthy of the role of guiding cycling forward.

Relax now. He was not banned for using PED's. He was only banned for something as innocent as racing in apartheid-era South Africa. And of course he denied it until they found a photo of him in the race

 

[ValleyFlowers]

Stephen Roche

Stephen Roche: Cycling Has Moved on From Drug-Tainted Past
"Former Tour de France winner Stephen Roche has said he believes cycling has moved on from doping scandals of the past, despite damaging revelations about US rider Lance Armstrong that have rocked the sport.

“Cycling has come along a lot since 1999 (when Armstrong won his first Tour). Maybe it got worse before getting better in the early 2000s but definitely in 2010, 2011, 2012 … cycling has come on an awful lot,” the Irishman said.

 

[skidmark]

Rubiera said he never saw Armstrong dope. Also Ferrari is a great coach.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/rubiera-i-never-saw-armstrong-dope

He must not of been on the team bus in 2004 when it was supposedly broke down and the hole team had blood transfusions then.

Maybe he closed his eyes?

 

[cineteq]

Anonymous Pro Cyclist

"I believe I am the only cyclist who is clean. I want the 1st place prizes for the 11 Tour races I tried to enter. I never raced in the Tour but it wasn't my fault, being clean made my times slower and kept me out of the Tour."

 

[Arnout]

Chairman of Dutch cycling union was very critical of UCI on Dutch radio 1. He says that he won't accept a juridical answer only in the press conference on Monday afternoon. If the UCI only goes that way, he doesn't discount a breakout. He also was critical of Dutch cyclists speaking out against their employer (Rabobank) but remaining silent over the state of cycling in general and the USADA case in particular.

Only thing that bothered me was that the name of Verbruggen was awkwardly avoided. He was being referred to as the UCI president before McQuaid.

Also, Daan Luijckx (DS Vacansoleil) said he was worried that the blood passport didn't seem to work in case of Armstrong in 2009-10 and wants clarification on that issue. Was great to hear him talking about that issue (he wasn't asked about it) and not revert to the standard it was 10 years ago answer.

 

[Lajeretta4Ever]

From Rubiera ..


“I never saw him dope"


Rubiera added that by its very nature professional cycling is not a healthy sport. “Don’t let the UCI tell me that they are concerned about our health when we have to ride in 45-degree [Celsius] temperatures up the Tourmalet after riding 220km the day before and with another 200km to follow the day after. That’s not healthy,” he said.

Man I didn't think it got hot on the Tourmalet.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

he says up the tourmalet, not on top of it.

 

[Der Effe]

he says up the tourmalet, not on top of it.

When it's 45 degrees outside he should be glad they send him up the Tourmalet, that way he can cool off a bit. On a flat the temperature might have got to him eventually and he might have lost it

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

you are either trolling or you never rode a bike

 

[pelodee]

I don't know where best to put this but...

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