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[Benotti69]

Benotti, you are undoubtedly one of the clinic 12....such modesty

I would never join a club that would have me as a member

Are you not of the opinion that current riders are not to be believed in anything they say unless if fits your agenda.

My agenda, if one can call it that and I dont, not being member of any organisation, is that for the most part I dont believe the sport has changed from a minority to a majority of clean participants. My belief is that microdoping is the order of the day, see Frei's evidence for one and most of the riders are doping. Yep that includes to so called clean teams.

I thought Bassons comments about doctors on teams told me a lot about modern cycling.

For example if one of the SKY boys say Wiggins is clean, do you believe them? No. So would you then believe one of Cooke's team-mates claiming she was clean? No

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Are you putting words in my mouth? Dont! I was a fan of Cooke's from a distance. But when i decided to look closer doubts arose. I voiced those doubts on an internet forum. I believe working with Bartolucci casts big doubts over her. I believe that her failure in the last 2 seasons to show the form that gave her so many wins is suspicious. We are talking aobut cycling. Worth bearing in mind.

Wiggins IMO is not clean. He doped. It will come out eventually. Do I have evidence, no but I never said I have no more than his fans have evidence that he is clean, but from what I have seen I make my own opinions and I give voice to them on here. I do not claim to be judge and juror, i am an anonymous forum member (like the majority choose to be) expressing that opinion.

So in fact, Cooke has no recourse to cleanliness in your eyes despite being more outspoken on the subject of doping than either Bassons or Moncoutie ever were.

Bassons spoke out while riding, Cooke took a parting shot when her career was over. big difference IMO. Moncoutie has been a mouse in the press. He doesn't talk compared to most. It is common knowledge from comments of teammates and DS that he wont take medecines nor vitamins. I could be wrong. I never claimed to be the all knowing voice of who's a doper and who isn't. That you read that in my posts says something about me or something about you.

Only caught dopers can seemingly gives the seal of cleanliness apparently but again it depends on which rider is speaking, and whether it fits with your agenda.

You appear to be taking my posts very personal. The sport is in the toilet because those in the sport dope and enable doping. If I voice my disgust with it as is my perogative and it upsets you, why shoot the messenger. I offer varying reasons to why I voice what I do on the forum, pay closer attention in future.

Makes no sense, does it!!!

Obviously not to you. Does to me. But then I dont care what others think. If I did I would have been an Armstrong fan like the majority and now a Sky/Wiggins fan like the majority.

Just to add Manzano and Blanco were never team-mates so it would seem their relationship is more on 'friends' level.

I never raised Manzano and Blanco in this thread. But I will read up further on Blanco.

 

[Benotti69]

Going off of a google translation makes it tough, but despite my poor Norwegian I don't think your conclusions match up with Hushovd's statements at all.

Thor likely hasn't always been a choir boy, but he hasn't given us anything to indicate that his performance in 2011 was the result of some sort of super secret Garmin doping scheme. And what exactly would JV have to do with Thor in 2009? There was that whole Cervelo test team thing...

If you want to believe in very convoluted conspiracy theories, that every rider is doping, etc, that's your prerogative. But can you do us all a favor and at least try to have your statements logically follow the material you quote or link?

Hushvods love of Armstrong is enough for me. Cycling is full of convuluted doping conspiracis or have you not been following the Armstrong saga.

I dont do favours.

 

[roundabout]

hoo-boy

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pressures-of-american-dream-weighed-on-armstrong-claims-savoldelli

 

[pmcg76]

I would never join a club that would have me as a member



My agenda, if one can call it that and I dont, not being member of any organisation, is that for the most part I dont believe the sport has changed from a minority to a majority of clean participants. My belief is that microdoping is the order of the day, see Frei's evidence for one and most of the riders are doping. Yep that includes to so called clean teams.

I thought Bassons comments about doctors on teams told me a lot about modern cycling.

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Are you putting words in my mouth? Dont! I was a fan of Cooke's from a distance. But when i decided to look closer doubts arose. I voiced those doubts on an internet forum. I believe working with Bartolucci casts big doubts over her. I believe that her failure in the last 2 seasons to show the form that gave her so many wins is suspicious. We are talking aobut cycling. Worth bearing in mind.

Wiggins IMO is not clean. He doped. It will come out eventually. Do I have evidence, no but I never said I have no more than his fans have evidence that he is clean, but from what I have seen I make my own opinions and I give voice to them on here. I do not claim to be judge and juror, i am an anonymous forum member (like the majority choose to be) expressing that opinion.



Bassons spoke out while riding, Cooke took a parting shot when her career was over. big difference IMO. Moncoutie has been a mouse in the press. He doesn't talk compared to most. It is common knowledge from comments of teammates and DS that he wont take medecines nor vitamins. I could be wrong. I never claimed to be the all knowing voice of who's a doper and who isn't. That you read that in my posts says something about me or something about you.



You appear to be taking my posts very personal. The sport is in the toilet because those in the sport dope and enable doping. If I voice my disgust with it as is my perogative and it upsets you, why shoot the messenger. I offer varying reasons to why I voice what I do on the forum, pay closer attention in future.



Obviously not to you. Does to me. But then I dont care what others think. If I did I would have been an Armstrong fan like the majority and now a Sky/Wiggins fan like the majority.



I never raised Manzano and Blanco in this thread. But I will read up further on Blanco.

Typical Benotti BS, when you post, it is in very clear absolute terms. How many times have you posted the 1+1= means only one thing. That is an emphatic statement set in absolute terms.

However when pushed on something, you get all wishy-washy. According to your approach Moncoutie and Bassons would fall into the definitely doped category except others have exonerated them. So those two examples have shown your close minded approach to deciding who a doper is in fact fallible. When you say 1+1=means only one thing, it actually doesn't as shown by Moncoutie, Bassons, Boardman and now Blanco, Cuenca.

You simply cannot admit your approach to defining who is a doper is fallible yet you are one of the loudest at shouting doper all the time. In case you didn't know, Cooke also spoke out against David Millar on his return and has talked about doping before but her words get lost as due to the fact she is a female cyclist.

 

[Benotti69]

Typical Benotti BS, when you post, it is in very clear absolute terms. How many times have you posted the 1+1= means only one thing. That is an emphatic statement set in absolute terms.

However when pushed on something, you get all wishy-washy. According to your approach Moncoutie and Bassons would fall into the definitely doped category except others have exonerated them. So those two examples have shown your close minded approach to deciding who a doper is in fact fallible. When you say 1+1=means only one thing, it actually doesn't as shown by Moncoutie, Bassons, Boardman and now Blanco, Cuenca.

You simply cannot admit your approach to defining who is a doper is fallible yet you are one of the loudest at shouting doper all the time. In case you didn't know, Cooke also spoke out against David Millar on his return and has talked about doping before but her words get lost as due to the fact she is a female cyclist.

Still stalking.

Big deal that Millar was called out by Cooke. Where was Cooke calling out Armstrong 5 years ago or 10 years ago. Kimmage wrote an article about Armstrong in 1999 saying he didn't believe his performance. Cooke only now calling Armstrong out.

Landis talked about how they all talked about juicing in the peloton. Cooke was so blind till now. No Cooke's personal agenda is not questioned by the Sky fans. But i am cynical about her timing and her limited comments. While good to see a former rider attacking dopers, attacking only those that are easy targets is taking candy from children. No big deal.

By the way I believe I am fallible. It is being a human. You must be a bot.

ps 1+1 = 2.

 

[cineteq]

hoo-boy

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pressures-of-american-dream-weighed-on-armstrong-claims-savoldelli

"Lance has made a mistake and he will pay," Savoldelli said. "But his biggest mistake was to come back riding."

Translation: Too bad he got caught.

 

[Benotti69]

"Lance has made a mistake and he will pay," Savoldelli said. "But his biggest mistake was to come back riding."

Translation: Too bad he got caught.

Salvodelli wasn't clean in my mathematics.

 

[pastronef]

"Lance has made a mistake and he will pay," Savoldelli said. "But his biggest mistake was to come back riding."

Translation: Too bad he got caught.

that's quite right, from some point of view

had he not come back, we would not be here now talking about how he got caught

 

[neineinei]

hoo-boy

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pressures-of-american-dream-weighed-on-armstrong-claims-savoldelli

Savoldelli feeling the pressure of being Rider-1, poor man.

Even though the competition is fierce Andrea Peron is the dumbest by a mile so far.

 

[cineteq]

Salvodelli wasn't clean in my mathematics.

If there was any doubt, he's talking does nothing but to support he didn't win those Giros clean.

Nevertheless, loved watching Il Falco descending like a mad man.

 

[pmcg76]

Still stalking.

Big deal that Millar was called out by Cooke. Where was Cooke calling out Armstrong 5 years ago or 10 years ago. Kimmage wrote an article about Armstrong in 1999 saying he didn't believe his performance. Cooke only now calling Armstrong out.

Landis talked about how they all talked about juicing in the peloton. Cooke was so blind till now. No Cooke's personal agenda is not questioned by the Sky fans. But i am cynical about her timing and her limited comments. While good to see a former rider attacking dopers, attacking only those that are easy targets is taking candy from children. No big deal.

By the way I believe I am fallible. It is being a human. You must be a bot.

ps 1+1 = 2.

This is the next stage in your BS, unless a rider calls out Armstrong, they are viewed as being some sort of conspirator. What rubbish.

What relation Kimmage has to Cooke I have no idea, Kimmage is a journalist after all whilst Cooke was a female pro cyclist who was 21 years old when Armstrong's first career was almost over. Also the female pro class is not the male pro class so whatever comments Landis made do not apply to female cyclists unless of course Floyd knew what they talked about also.

In case you didn't know, Kimmage didn't call out Armstrong in 99. He said that he reserved judgement on Armstrong based on his treatment of Basson's and for him Basson's was the hero of the 99 Tour. He never came out and said that he believed Armstrong was doping which is what you require of all journalists and cyclist to prove their cleanliness. By the standards required by some in the clinic of current cycling journalist's, Kimmage would have been branded a ***** in 99.

You are so full of crap it makes me laugh. It is also funny how your post sounds exactly like Hein Verbruggen!!!

"These are athlete's at the end of their career's who can't hang on anymore so make these claims now. Why did these athletes never speak out before now"

That is what Verbruggen said when Obree, Delion & Aubier made their claims of widespread doping to L'Equipe back in 96. Now who is shooting the messenger??

 

[Benotti69]

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You are so full of crap it makes me laugh.

meh

10chara.....

 

[Basecase]

cav speaks
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...e-Armstrong-has-tainted-my-sport-forever.html

 

[D-Queued]

cav speaks
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...e-Armstrong-has-tainted-my-sport-forever.html

Forever the slow learner. But, he did get this part right:

“I get irritated when people question if my success is through hard work, but after seeing the interview, I can now understand why people have a problem with believing us today when we say we are clean. ...

The taint lives on.

Dave.

 

[the asian]

Good that Cav understands it.

Will his countryman Bradley Wiggins also understand it?

 

[jackwolf]

Good that Cav understands it.

Will his countryman Bradley Wiggins also understand it?

Not sure he understands it. "USADA's motivation was political and they've done a lot of damage to cycling." Or something like that.

 

[pastronef]

Joan Horrach wants Eufemiano to speak

http://www.twitter.com/joanhorrach

El ciclismo paga los platos rotos de muchos, echale cojones Eufemiano y habla de una puta vez...más de uno se tendria que ir de este pais!

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

I think the Hobbit doth protest too much.

 

[xcleigh]

Generally agree with Cavendish's (to use his correct name rather than playground insult name) sentiments. He is a wee bit misguided to suggest that being tested lots equals being clean though! Whoopsy.

 

[cineteq]

Joan Horrach wants Eufemiano to speak

http://www.twitter.com/joanhorrach

El ciclismo paga los platos rotos de muchos, echale cojones Eufemiano y habla de una puta vez...más de uno se tendria que ir de este pais!

@liveciclismo
Eufemiano Fuentes: "Si yo hablara, España no tendría ni Eurocopa, ni Mundial"

Eufemiano Fuentes: "If I speak, Spain would have no Eurocup or Worldcup"

 

[ElChingon]

cav speaks
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...e-Armstrong-has-tainted-my-sport-forever.html

Does Cav understand that hanging on to cars to not get dropped on the Col's is also cheating? When is he coming clean on that?

 

[ultimobici]

Does Cav understand that hanging on to cars to not get dropped on the Col's is also cheating? When is he coming clean on that?

Not this garbage again? Try as you might there was no evidence at all, not a dickey bird!

 

[ChewbaccaD]

If there was any doubt, he's talking does nothing but to support he didn't win those Giros clean.

Nevertheless, loved watching Il Falco descending like a mad man.

Yea, all the doping in the world will not make you descend like that.

 

[ElChingon]

Not this garbage again? Try as you might there was no evidence at all, not a dickey bird!

So you want all the riders that saw it to testify and have his governing body to come up with a "Reasoned Decision"?

 

[Benotti69]

@liveciclismo
Eufemiano Fuentes: "Si yo hablara, España no tendría ni Eurocopa, ni Mundial"

Eufemiano Fuentes: "If I speak, Spain would have no Eurocup or Worldcup"

If Fuentes was to speak I think the 'ghosts' of Franco would make him disappear.