Reactions from the peloton

[Dazed and Confused]

The only way forward.

In principal, this is pretty much team Sky's stated hiring strategy if you add dodgy riders to the equation. Getting the execution right however....

 

[Cloxxki]

I'm hesistant on that one. Ethics and education are imho not significantly correlated.

Lance seems like a pretty smart guy who fully knows what to do. And calling him a yes man is of course nonsense.

I'd say following your dream and or glamour is just as enticing for everyone.

I rate myself as a smart guy (never completed any college though, lazy) but I took a very long time to see Lance for whom he really is, and with that, all of pro cycling. I was racing against top pro's (CX super prestiges and various MTB races including Olympians) and couldn't make sense of it. Felt like multiple categories of difference, while I was suppose to be just one down on them. Got lapped so hard, despite my good ergotrainer results. I didn't figure it out until recently. Thought it was me being too weak, not them being too strong.

In a context of great deceit for financial gain, just being smart or educated doesn't always present you with an interpretation close to reality.

 

[Franklin]

In principal, this is pretty much team Sky's stated hiring strategy if you add dodgy riders to the equation. Getting the execution right however....

Sorry, but that is hilarious. The difference between stated hiring strategy and execution only shows that there is either the grossest incompetence ever witnessed or simply blatant spin and missdirection.

Even if we dismiss Leinders (I made a convincing case they knew of his involvement with whereabouts fraud), it's absolutely unbelievable they had no idea of the background of four others: We have Yates being chummy with Motoman, him coming from USPS, we have Julich, De Jongh, Rogers.

Acts speak louder than words in this. Hiring clean sounds no more than hollow marketing if you consider the facts.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Sorry, but that is hilarious. The difference between stated hiring strategy and execution only shows that there is either the grossest incompetence ever witnessed or simply blatant spin and missdirection.

Even if we dismiss Leinders (I made a convincing case they knew of his involvement with whereabouts fraud), it's absolutely unbelievable they had no idea of the background of four others: We have Yates being chummy with Motoman, him coming from USPS, we have Julich, De Jongh, Rogers.

Acts speak louder than words in this. Hiring clean sounds no more than hollow marketing if you consider the facts.

well Sky is dodgy, no question. My point is, Sky's stated initial policy matches Roy's plan pretty closely. If Sky had executed "correctly" from the start, the team's race action might have been different in 2012 and this thread would have been much shorter.

So will another team pick up Roy's plan and execute 100%? I would love to see it.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Roy decided to go to college and get an engineering degree around same time he turned pro with FDJ.

He comes across as an above intelligence pro.

He has Madiot as a manager

Does the fact he has a degree to fall back on help him to express himself as he not totally beholden to being a yes-man in the peloton?

tons of riders do that. especially in belgium. doesn't mean a thing.

 

[cineteq]

tons of riders do that. especially in belgium. doesn't mean a thing.

since you say so, it can only be translated that it means a lot.

 

[Morbius]

Lengthy reaction from Mark Weber, F1 driver and former friend of LA
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21240896

Key quote:

That's why, Lance, using your words, the "death" penalty isn't too heavy. You rubbed a lot of people's noses in it for so long and treated the rest of us like idiots.

 

[GreasyMonkey]

Webber's comments.

An interesting commentary from Mark Webber, a fellow professional "sportsman", but not under the same sphere of influence that the other cyclists are.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/webber-distanced-himself-from-armstrong-20130129-2djcb.html

His comments about the percieved mindset of Armstrong are interesting too.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Lizzie Armistead

Sunday Times 28.10.2012 - Lizzie Armistead

I can 100% believe in the innocence and cleaness of the British professionals, Bradley Wiggins won the Tour de France. And you cant do that clean unless the sport is clean. I,m tested 15 times a year, in and out of competition. Most cyclists are. We are one of the most tested sports

Is she for real ????

 

[D-Queued]

Sunday Times 28.10.2012 - Lizzie Armistead



Is she for real ????

Better a cyclist than a mathematician. Logic is not her forte.

Dave.

 

[BroDeal]

Sunday Times 28.10.2012 - Lizzie Armistead

Is she for real ????

Thomas Crapper himself would have a hard time dealing with how deep it has gotten over there on that island.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

She would be up for target testing asap if I were in charge. What a dumba@@. Fifteen times a year! Holy molly, that is more than once a month...

 

[Alpechraxler]

Just in comparison: Roger Federer was tested 11 times in 2012 i read in a swiss newspaper.

 

[pastronef]

Daniel Benson on McQuaid and Danielson

Find it comical that cycling fans in the US boo Mcquaid but are happy to see Danielson start cross races

https://mobile.twitter.com/dnlbenson/status/297816832809787392?p=v

 

[Cycle Chic]

Gerald Ciolek

VN: What's your opinion on the Armstrong situation?

GC: If the case and all the stuff coming out right now about things that happened ten years ago helps to makes cycling cleaner, then it's a good thing.

All the people who looked up to him have also a right to know the truth, even if they probably all knew before.

The bad thing is that now the media reflects an impression of cycling and the organized doping which is ten years old - and it stays in the mind of the public.

There are hundreds of cyclists with good intentions who are riding now; it's not fair on us.

VN: Has it made the German media even more 'anti-cycling’?

GC: They are not really anti-cycling. Ten years ago when Telekom was so successful, it was the flagship of the German nation and the journalists were riding the crest of the beautiful wave, called success.

They were not objective in this time, just as they aren't now. Now cycling is the whipping boy, so they write about doping – it’s just a simple thing.


Read more: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...-change-and-new-challenges.aspx#ixzz2Jxegfj1Z

If we had a £1 for every rider who has spouted that rubbish.

 

[pastronef]

double post sorry

 

[pastronef]

Daniel Benson twitter

https://mobile.twitter.com/dnlbenson/status/322722657323843588?p=v

Being zero tolerance to doping & employing Honchar is like being you're zero tolerance to doping & employing Neil Stephens. Pointless

 

[classic1]

That's really harsh and unfair. Poor Stephens was just in the wrong place at the wrong time....five or six times.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Marcel Kittel - "So they confirmed Armstrongs ban. And now? I don't agree that "we should forget Armstrong".He should always be the reminder 4 the wrong way!"

Marcel Kittel on Twitter:

I feel SICK when I read that Contador, Sanchez & Indurain still support Armstrong. How does someone want to be credible by saying that?!

https://twitter.com/marcelkittel/status/261435018256216064

Marcel Kittel ‏@marcelkittel
I mean, it makes it all worse. They should play their false game somewhere else. Or do they ride for money instead of joy?! #weirdpeople

This can't be right. The clinic 12 told me Kittel is a coward and possibly racist who only picks on unknown turkish riders. No way was he one of like 4 riders worldwide who criticised LA and AC. Must be some kind of hoax...

 

[hrotha]

The "Clinic 12" thing is great for a joke, but when you take it beyond that it doesn't make you look good. Not all respected Clinic regulars hold the same opinion on anything, they're not a hivemind, and Kittel's stance has been mentioned in that other thread.

 

[pmcg76]

The "Clinic 12" thing is great for a joke, but when you take it beyond that it doesn't make you look good. Not all respected Clinic regulars hold the same opinion on anything, they're not a hivemind, and Kittel's stance has been mentioned in that other thread.

Well, actually there are approximately 12 posters in the clinic who hold very similar opinions, i.e, they all dope and everything is considered a sign of doping who also happen to be the most vocal in here and I am sure this is who JV was referring to.

I think most people could name 6 or 7 of the top of their heads but would have to think about the rest.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Well, actually there are approximately 12 posters in the clinic who hold very similar opinions, i.e, they all dope and everything is considered a sign of doping who also happen to be the most vocal in here and I am sure this is who JV was referring to.

I think most people could name 6 or 7 of the top of their heads but would have to think about the rest.

The Clinic 12 are batting north of .95 when it comes to spotting sketchy riders.

 

[Athame]

'Speaking to the Sunday Times, however, Wiggins looked to offer an explanation for his stance in 2010-2011. “Lance was still a powerful figure in the peloton and it was just easier to say something that meant he wasn’t going to be on your case,” Wiggins said.'

 

[thehog]

'Speaking to the Sunday Times, however, Wiggins looked to offer an explanation for his stance in 2010-2011. “Lance was still a powerful figure in the peloton and it was just easier to say something that meant he wasn’t going to be on your case,” Wiggins said.'

Like that you love him?

No one else needed to say ey love him.

Strange.

 

[The Hitch]

I do hope the obvious flaw in that argument - err why did no one else do that, isn't lost on Walsh.