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Athame

Athame

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Robert Millar :cool:




"You might think Lance Armstrong should be keeping quiet about EPO, cortisone and blood doping,
but he's right when he says that he didn't invent those medical products and I doubt very much that at the
beginning of his pro career he had the idea of using them for performance enhancement."



_____ The "I doubt very much" part might be twisted into an assertion that
_____ he didn't think Armstrong had a dirty mindset from day ONE. Sort of saying
_____ that he was assimilated into the Borge or some $h!t like that.
 
DirtyWorks

DirtyWorks

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I can believe that - it sums up their arrogance to the press and to the public.

Most communication from the teams - press releases , websites, twitter - are patronising and treat the fans with contempt. They treat everyone not just journalists like children

BMC are certainly the worst. Jim Ouchwicz reminds me of a dodgy creepy second hand car salesmen, promising the earth and denying a few days later. And as there is another Ouchwicz on the PR team, its no wonder there communications are such a mess. He doesn't want his riders to answer questions on Armstrong but aren't they good friends?
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Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but Och goes all the way back to the USA Cycling cabal that created the Armstrong myth. If I am recalling correctly, he's an old-timer like Mike Plant who helped Wiesel take over the federation.

In a way, the UCI supports the reprehensible public behaviour of guys like Och, Ferrari, and more when they do nothing. We know for a fact those terrorists Hein and Pat have nothing but contempt for anyone that doesn't immediately propagate the UCI's fantasies.

Och is another guy that truly deserves not only a lifetime ban from the sport but some criminal prosecution. Scott free!
 
Athame

Athame

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Brian Holm on the Top Five Coolest Cyclists of All Time. #5 LA

"Billy the Kid.... American Bandit"
 
The Principal Sheep

The Principal Sheep

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From Robbie Hunter:

Robbie Hunter ‏@RobbieHunter 9m
If we gonna persecute Froome let's do the same to Usain Bolt cause he runs way to fast. Faster than anyone in History!??????

Is he really trying to help Froome there? 100m sprinters have a terrible history but even if clean Bolt's been winning golds since he was 16 years old.
 
Panda Claws

Panda Claws

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The Principal Sheep said:
From Robbie Hunter:

Robbie Hunter ‏@RobbieHunter 9m
If we gonna persecute Froome let's do the same to Usain Bolt cause he runs way to fast. Faster than anyone in History!??????

Is he really trying to help Froome there? 100m sprinters have a terrible history but even if clean Bolt's been winning golds since he was 16 years old.
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Ah yes, I remember how Froome won everything in the Youth and U23 categories as well. Not the mention the amazing level he already reached in 2009 and 2010.
 
Dear Wiggo

Dear Wiggo

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I was feeling misgivings when the CPA came out in support of Froome yesterday. Then I saw that it's the same CPA (+ Voigt) asking the French senate to not release the 1998 Tour positives.

Never mind.

Omerta reigns supreme.
 
Samson777

Samson777

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Gianni Meersman ‏@GianniMeersman 20h

Spijtig dat twitter nog niet bestond in 1999, toen VDB de Vuelta reed


Is it good or bad, for a Stand up guy like Horner, to have his performance compared with the likes of VDB?
 
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Von Mises

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Jaan Kirsipuu has commented Horner´s win, or to be precise, he said, that he did not want to comment or speculate. But still added: " Amazing how Hormers was able to win Vuelta. He is pensioner after all. As far as I remember Horner - he was riding for FDJ for few years before disappearing to America - he was fatty, very different from now. Total transformation. Previously Horner was not anything special, ITT was more or less, but nothing else."

http://sport.postimees.ee/2052928/chris-horner-fenomenaalne-pensionar
 
Benotti69

Benotti69

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Von Mises said:
Jaan Kirsipuu has commented Horner´s win, or to be precise, he said, that he did not want to comment or speculate. But still added: " Amazing how Hormers was able to win Vuelta. He is pensioner after all. As far as I remember Horner - he was riding for FDJ for few years before disappearing to America - he was fatty, very different from now. Total transformation. Previously Horner was not anything special, ITT was more or less, but nothing else."

http://sport.postimees.ee/2052928/chris-horner-fenomenaalne-pensionar
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I guess Astana dont want him then for 2014 :rolleyes:
 
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Dazed and Confused

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Moose McKnuckles said:
Kirsipuu is a muppet. Horner is doped to the gills IMO, but having cretins who used to ride in the pro peloton making comments like that doesn't help the cause for clean cycling.

All Horner did was expose the new era of "clean cycling" for what it is: a complete and utter sham.
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Perhaps Kirisipuu is a muppet, but gotta say I like the open comment. I would welcome more of it.
 
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Von Mises

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Moose McKnuckles said:
Kirsipuu is a muppet. Horner is doped to the gills IMO, but having cretins who used to ride in the pro peloton making comments like that doesn't help the cause for clean cycling.

All Horner did was expose the new era of "clean cycling" for what it is: a complete and utter sham.
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Kirsipuu is in difficult position, he is public person, not anonymous internet commentator, he does not know Horner, he does not have concrete evidence, he is asked a question, he comments but has to be careful.
 
hrotha

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I didn't know Wurf was such a massive tool:
Much has been said an continues to be said about his victory which is really disappointing. It seems these nimrods and there bogus calculations seem to be surfacing again as they did in Le Tour surrounding froomie's performance. All unfounded of course and like any attention seekers fortunately eventually the media ignored these fruitless claims and these so called experts crawled back into there little holes where they belong.
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Afrank

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hrotha said:
I didn't know Wurf was such a massive tool:
Much has been said an continues to be said about his victory which is really disappointing. It seems these nimrods and there bogus calculations seem to be surfacing again as they did in Le Tour surrounding froomie's performance. All unfounded of course and like any attention seekers fortunately eventually the media ignored these fruitless claims and these so called experts crawled back into there little holes where they belong.
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So what would make it founded to question a performance? He came out in support of Armstrong sighting the age old never failed a test crap, he rode the majority of his career in the dark era from 1997 on when doping was rampant, his w/kg numbers and other stuff like that have been high on a number of stages in the Vuelta, natural progression says we're suppose to see a decrease in performance with age and yet we've seen and increase in performance in Horner.

With cycling's past of doping, is this not enough to be suspicious of Horner? Or does Wurf believe that only a positive or suspicious test result is a viable reason to question someone? Because if so I'd like to ask what sport he's been watching the last 10+ years.
 
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