Really, McQuaid? Really.

[jmax22]

This from the latest story on the Armstrong investigation on ESPN.com:

"McQuaid said in the future the UCI "may deal differently" with a donation like Armstrong's. But he insisted that it depends heavily on donations from all riders and teams to support its annual $6.4 million anti-doping budget."

The UCI depends heavily on donations from riders and teams? Name me one other rider that has donated money to the UCI. It's odd that "all riders" donate to the UCI, and even more odd that 100% of them do so anonymously, apparently.

 

[hrotha]

Does McQuaid think before speaking

 

[R.0.t.O]

From:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcquaid-acknowledges-accepting-armstrong-donation-a-mistake (25th May 2010)

The President of the UCI Pat McQuaid has revealed that Lance Armstrong is the only rider ever to have made a donation to UCI

 

[tubularglue]

 

[tofino]

Prize money

I'm pretty sure the UCI takes/skims/steals (you decide the correct term) a small percentage of the prize money from all UCI races therefore you could say all riders donate into the anti-doping fund when they win prize money. Note the riders never voted for that system, the UCI decided at some committee level that was a good idea.

Also the bigger teams (Protour & some others) kick in a bunch of cash for the passport program.

 

[Race Radio]

Once again McQuaid needs to get his fact straight before he lies.

For the first time the UCI provided their financials to the public. They are hidden on their website.

http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/ENe...s/UCI/UCI7/layout.asp?MenuId=MTI2Mjc&LangId=1


-The World Championships generates 9.1 million francs. It's the biggest source of income for the UCI.
-The second largest source of income comes from affiliations and race organisers.
-The next biggest source of money comes from the Olympic Games. The 2008 games brought in 3.5 million Swiss Francs.
-The UCI nets about 1.4 million from the Pro Tour

There is zero mention of "Donations" from riders or teams. Perhaps these donations go to McQuaid's private account?

 

[la.margna]

by telling that "cycling of today is completely different than the cycling of 2000, 2002 and 2003 which this investigation is talking about" McQuairruption says a lot with regard to LA between the lines... unwillingly probably...

 

[Darryl Webster]

I'm pretty sure the UCI takes/skims/steals (you decide the correct term) a small percentage of the prize money from all UCI races therefore you could say all riders donate into the anti-doping fund when they win prize money. Note the riders never voted for that system, the UCI decided at some committee level that was a good idea.

Also the bigger teams (Protour & some others) kick in a bunch of cash for the passport program.

Yup, thats how I understand it + I guess a levy on all member cycling federations. In other words clubman who are licence holders.
With such an obvious conflict of interest between a sports regulating and promotion body its realy time sports bodies paid into state ran anti doping systems that have no vested interest in a sports promotion....oh, oops...then we get state sanctioned doping programs ( former Eastern block, USA college system etc)...doh.
******, who can we trust to get "the job done"?

 

[hrotha]

Yup, thats how I understand it + I guess a levy on all member cycling federations. In other words clubman who are licence holders.
With such an obvious conflict of interest between a sports regulating and promotion body its realy time sports bodies paid into state ran anti doping systems that have no vested interest in a sports promotion....oh, oops...then we get state sanctioned doping programs ( former Eastern block, USA college system etc)...doh.
******, who can we trust to get "the job done"?

Someone with no vested interest in a particular sport or in the results of a particular country.

In other words, WADA.

 

[thehog]

“It’s an investigation that has taken place in the public arena, which was unnecessary,” said McQuaid.

- This line interests me. Before the leaked email Floyd had emailed UCI and USADA. The response from the UCI was a "cease and desist" letter! They had no intention of investigating any of the claims from Landis. Hence why you have to go public to have the issues investigated seriously.

Secondary point.

I've not heard how the various national federations have been going investigating the claims as McQuaid said that he had passed over. I wonder if they will let it blow over.

 

[flicker]

This is what I do not understand about the furor of Armstrongs "donation" to the UCI. If cycling is like say US politics you donate to say a congressman the congressman is obligated to return the favor in some way.
I have no doubt that there are many Armstronglike donations to the UCI right? By many teams and individuals. And from what I have heard the riders, DSs, team owners love their PEDs right. Why would Armstrong be extraordinary in his "contributions?
I personally believe Lance has not received special treatment.

 

[L'arriviste]

This is what I do not understand about the furor of Armstrongs "donation" to the UCI. If cycling is like say US politics you donate to say a congressman the congressman is obligated to return the favor in some way...

But it isn't like US politics. The UCI is supposed to be the impartial arbiter and governing body of professional cycling. So Fat Pat and Friends shouldn't really be taking backhanders from anybody with an inside interest in professional cycling. Passing them off as 'donations' is a weak attempt to add a figleaf of respectability to the whole debacle.

 

[hrotha]

This is what I do not understand about the furor of Armstrongs "donation" to the UCI. If cycling is like say US politics you donate to say a congressman the congressman is obligated to return the favor in some way.
I have no doubt that there are many Armstronglike donations to the UCI right? By many teams and individuals. And from what I have heard the riders, DSs, team owners love their PEDs right. Why would Armstrong be extraordinary in his "contributions?
I personally believe Lance has not received special treatment.

So far no other "donations" have surfaced. McQuaid saying they're common now contradicts what he's said before.

 

[powerste]

So far no other "donations" have surfaced. McQuaid saying they're common now contradicts what he's said before.

. . . not to mention completely contradicting reality! And all for the express purpose of causing more people to believe what flicker erroneously believes and continue to repeat it.

 

[thatsallfolks]

doesn't Pat only open his mouth to put both feet in, then only take them out again to shoot them both?

 

[Benotti69]

Paddy McQuack, digging possibly the biggest hole in sporting federation history, boy it wouldn't take a 6 year long to figure he is lying through his ar$e hole and covering up a whole load of corruption, why the IOC let this guy open his mouth is beyond the pale. You think they'd hire someone with half a brain, but maybe they are too greedy to pay anyone....

 

[Cobblestoned]

Another Lance Armstrong-thread

Great !

 

[therealtimshady]

prat mcquaid refuses to investigate any armstrong related doping claiming its in the past but will fight tooth and nail to remove pellizotti and valverde from the sport. major double standards, the bloke hasnt a clue

 

[hrotha]

Another Lance Armstrong-thread

Great !

Actually I'm sure most of us would agree Armstrong is ultimately of little importance and what matters the most, and what this thread is about, is McQuaid and the nest of corruption that the UCI has become.

 

[pmcg76]

Another Lance Armstrong-thread

Great !

Well I think this one is about corruption in the UCI which most cycling fans have believed for a long time.

It just so happens that Lance is the only rider we know of who made a large donation to the UCI. Add this onto the Landis accusations of the covering up of positive tests, the recent revelations of Hans Michael Holczer and its not that difficult to be cynical about the UCI.

 

[thehog]

Slight update:

"What is $50 million in the world of sport? It's a drop in the bucket,'' Howman said, according to AP. ``You are putting a value on the integrity of sport which I don't think anybody who is really responsible ought to be doing.”


http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/5...justified-as-sports-integrity-is-crucial.aspx

 

[powerste]

Another Lance Armstrong-thread

Great !

No, it's a UCI thread. It started because the boss of the UCI just lied again (how many is that now? I'm losing count) about "donations" from riders. So far, LA is the only rider from whom McQuaid has admitted accepting a donation. Hence Pat's latest spew is yet another lie.

You can make it a thread about LA if you like, but I'm gonna stick with thoughts about liar McQuaid and the hopelessly corrupt organization that he leads.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Well I think this one is about corruption in the UCI which most cycling fans have believed for a long time.

It just so happens that Lance is the only rider we know of who made a large donation to the UCI. Add this onto the Landis accusations of the covering up of positive tests, the recent revelations of Hans Michael Holczer and its not that difficult to be cynical about the UCI.

You mean 2 donations

Has anyone a link to the original article where Pats comments were made - I believe he is discussing how all riders (&teams) contribute to the Bio-Passport as opposed to seperate 'donations'.

EDIT: Ooops, just spotted it on the main CyclingNews page.

 

[Barrus]

This is what I do not understand about the furor of Armstrongs "donation" to the UCI. If cycling is like say US politics you donate to say a congressman the congressman is obligated to return the favor in some way.
I have no doubt that there are many Armstronglike donations to the UCI right? By many teams and individuals. And from what I have heard the riders, DSs, team owners love their PEDs right. Why would Armstrong be extraordinary in his "contributions?
I personally believe Lance has not received special treatment.

The problem is that no other "contributions" have been made public, by either the UCI, the rider/DS/team, or by the press. If there are more (and it frankly would not surprise me) these need to made public somehow. Best way to do this is for the UCI to be transparent for once, although I know this is an unlikely request. Really the best thing for the sport would be a complete restructuring of the UCI, with two seperate and independent entities, one to promote cycling and one to combat doping. BUt fristly there must be some form of transparency so that these type of situations, such as Armstrongs "donation" or possible bribe cannot happen in the same manner anymore and it would be clear who gave what and when

 

[Nick C.]

Geez, McQuaid is truly a craven dolt. Almost every bit of what he says if either a lie or contradicts what he has said or done in the past. Its really maybe not depressing but something close that things like this can and do rise to positions of power.