Remco and Roglic vs the World

[VayaVayaVaya]

Sorry, I got turned around:
Roglic has 5 GTs, 22 GT stage wins, 12 top 7 one-week races (including 6/7)
Remco has 1 GT, 9 GT stage wins, 0 top 7 one-week races

 

[acm]

Denk does not care anymore if a rider is German, Belgian or Columbian.
The shift from the team from german and austrian riders to international riders is obvious

Then I don't know what you've been doing for the past 3 weeks...
Those german and austrian riders weren't really good lately, don't know what Palzer is still doing in the team.

 

[KoopaCycling]

I would say Roglic managed to have Remco number until 2024. With 2023 due to being tactically savy.
I can not say Roglic is still better. I personally believe from 2024 onwards Remco is better. But i will say Roglic managed to beat Remco when both hit high levels in 2023. It was a matter of seconds in catalunya, and Vuelta Remco cracked for whatever reason.

Does that make Roglic the bigger talent or better rider. I would say no. I will say that GT wise i think Remco can manage a higher peak, but Roglic can hit a certain level easier. So If both were entering their prime at 26, i would probably go for Roglic if GT was all my concern. Again i think remco can hit greater GT heights though. Now If i'm looking at the total package, it's Remco.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Then I don't know what you've been doing for the past 3 weeks...

And yet when the German rider on the team was riding for 3rd on GC, his teammate was allowed to go stage hunting and drop out of the Top 5 on GC for no reason when it was absolutely clear he wouldn‘t be winning a stage the way he was doing it. The team definitely doesn‘t only revolve around German riders. Of course Denk cares somewhat if the rider in question is German or not, but that‘s not what the team is centered around.

 

[KoopaCycling]

To be fair, you don't tell Roglic what to do. At his age and with his palmares. You can advice and make team decisions. But once you made the team decision to select Roglic for the Tour, you can not tell Roglic to work for Lipo unless clear agreements been made before the tour when the selection was being made.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Put Evenepoel in a 1v1 race over ANY type of terrain of your choosing and he will obliterate the likes of Roglic, Van der Poel, Vingegaard... over a course of 200-250km.

Anyone else remember the Cavendish vs Cancellara in a 200km race along a flat motorway thread of many moons ago?

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Anyone else remember the Cavendish vs Cancellara in a 200km race along a flat motorway thread of many moons ago?

Were there any rules that Cav had to cooperate? Because otherwise it‘s 99-1 Cavendish. The 1 is for a storm-strength crosswind in which Cancellara could drop Cav out of the wheel at the side of the road.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Were there any rules that Cav had to cooperate? Because otherwise it‘s 99-1 Cavendish. The 1 is for a storm-strength crosswind in which Cancellara could drop Cav out of the wheel at the side of the road.

Whether that was the case was the discussion that went on for several pages.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Were there any rules that Cav had to cooperate? Because otherwise it‘s 99-1 Cavendish. The 1 is for a storm-strength crosswind in which Cancellara could drop Cav out of the wheel at the side of the road.

1v1 its literally Cancellara 100-0 in a 200 km highway race.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

1v1 its literally Cancellara 100-0 in a 200 km highway race.

Not if they start together. What does Cancellara do then?

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Anyone else remember the Cavendish vs Cancellara in a 200km race along a flat motorway thread of many moons ago?

Slow day? Just felt like creating some more work for yourself?

 

[RedheadDane]

Anyone else remember the Cavendish vs Cancellara in a 200km race along a flat motorway thread of many moons ago?

That's oddly specific.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Slow day? Just felt like creating some more work for yourself?

Yeah, I wasn't really intending to re-ignite the debate. But at risk of encouraging necro-posting:

Who would win, Cancellara or Cavendish

in a 200km one-on-one road race on a totally flat motorway with no wind? Obviously such a race would never happen but I think it would help my understanding of the sport of cycling to know the answer.

forum.cyclingnews.com

But please re-run the arguments there, not here

 

[Unchained]

To be fair, you don't tell Roglic what to do. At his age and with his palmares. You can advice and make team decisions. But once you made the team decision to select Roglic for the Tour, you can not tell Roglic to work for Lipo unless clear agreements been made before the tour when the selection was being made.

This could absolutely be true, and conversely, if Roglic can't follow instructions, follow goals of the team, you can always just pretend he doesn't exist and chase him down like Visma did.. Have both ends working against the middle, if Roglic attacked after in team meeting everything was designed around getting Lipowitz up the road I would just chase him down.
Roglic doesn't strike me as a rogue actor, guy appears composed, and professional.
If there was ever a rider that left the Kuss catastrophe with no drama, no nastiness, and now he has severely under delivered at Bora, I really expect for everything to work out with the arrival of Remco.

 

[bah]

Yeah, I wasn't really intending to re-ignite the debate. But at risk of encouraging necro-posting:

Who would win, Cancellara or Cavendish

in a 200km one-on-one road race on a totally flat motorway with no wind? Obviously such a race would never happen but I think it would help my understanding of the sport of cycling to know the answer.

forum.cyclingnews.com

But please re-run the arguments there, not here

Isn't that against the rules?

 

[CyclistAbi]

pog pre-24.

whole different ballgame.

pre-24, remco dropped pog in the euros on a hill. remco was still returning to form from the Lombardy crash. this would never happen now. pog is very different from when rog could beat him in any type of race at all.

Still.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Only the 7 big one counts.

But then 22 (which should be 23) is massively wrong…

 

[QueenStagiaire]

But then 22 (which should be 23) is massively wrong…

Indeed, it would be ten for Roglič which is still ten more than Remco has but also not 22 (or 23).

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

But then 22 (which should be 23) is massively wrong…

My post got moved, but I misspoke. Roglic has 22 stage wins in GTs and 12 wins in big one-week stage races.

 

[acm]

And yet when the German rider on the team was riding for 3rd on GC, his teammate was allowed to go stage hunting and drop out of the Top 5 on GC for no reason when it was absolutely clear he wouldn‘t be winning a stage the way he was doing it. The team definitely doesn‘t only revolve around German riders. Of course Denk cares somewhat if the rider in question is German or not, but that‘s not what the team is centered around.

I see what's really bothering you.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

I see what's really bothering you.

Okay.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

My post got moved, but I misspoke. Roglic has 22 stage wins in GTs and 12 wins in big one-week stage races.

But then Remco doesn’t have 1 and 1 in comparison either as he has 9 GT stage wins

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

If Remco moves is then Landa sole leader at the Tour 2026 or co leader with Van Wilder?

Landa will be free.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

If remco and Roglic raced each other in a 200km flat highway race, for how long would remco pull before asking for a turn? 175km?

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Ilmaestro99

I guess best to wait and see.