Remco and Roglic vs the World

[topcat]

I'm delighted this thread has been reborn. Now, I haven't read all the latest bollox, but just a little tip: Remco and Rog are now soul mates, they have ceased struggling, they have entered the world of the spirit.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

If remco and Roglic raced each other in a 200km flat highway race, for how long would remco pull before asking for a turn? 175km?

175 meters maybe, can‘t keep Remco from gesturing.

 

[Blanco]

Yep, Rogla is still better, but once (or twice) in a lifetime talent still has time to catch up.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Sorry, I got turned around:
Roglic has 5 GTs, 22 GT stage wins, 12 top 7 one-week races (including 6/7)
Remco has 1 GT, 9 GT stage wins, 0 top 7 one-week races

But then Remco doesn’t have 1 and 1 in comparison either as he has 9 GT stage wins

And here it is in chart form:

	Roglic	Remco
GT Wins	5	1
GT Stage Wins	22	9
Big 7 Wins	12	0
Monuments	1	2
Olympic Gold	1	2
Worlds Golds	0	3
Other significant* classics	5 (3 x Emilia (beating Pogi) 1 x Milano-Torino 1 x Tre Valle Varesine)	4 (3 x San Sebastián 1 x Brabantse Pijl)

*Significant to me

Edit. This will get moved or should get moved, but I was responding to a comment in this thread. Sorry!

 

[SHAD0W93]

Lets not forget Rogla was beating Pogi in GTs, week long stage races, monuments and at nationals. Don't really know who else can say that.

So that argument about Rogla being or not being legit, not even Pogi can deny it, so.

Pogacar beat Evenepoel by less time than he did Roglic in GC.

 

[Red Rick]

Pogacar beat Evenepoel by less time than he did Roglic in GC.

Great metric to establish that Evenepoel at the height of his powers is most likely better than the Slovenian Stuntgranny when he takes 4 dates with Italian tarmac and courses of antibiotics as his main Tour prep strategy.

 

[Red Rick]

And here it is in chart form:

	Roglic	Remco
GT Wins	5	1
GT Stage Wins	22	9
Big 7 Wins	12	0
Monuments	1	2
Olympic Gold	1	2
Worlds Golds	0	3
Other significant* classics	5 (3 x Emilia (beating Pogi) 1 x Milano-Torino 1 x Tre Valle Varesine)	4 (3 x San Sebastián 1 x Brabantse Pijl)

*Significant to me

Edit. This will get moved or should get moved, but I was responding to a comment in this thread. Sorry!

Even as a one day racer, Evenepoel is such a championship merchant smh

 

[CyclistAbi]

Pogacar beat Evenepoel by less time than he did Roglic in GC.

AFAIK Rogla is the only cyclists that has beaten Pogi at a GT, week long stage race, at monument and at nationals. If that is not the case feel free to correct me.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Great metric to establish that Evenepoel at the height of his powers is most likely better than the Slovenian Stuntgranny when he takes 4 dates with Italian tarmac and courses of antibiotics as his main Tour prep strategy.

I gave the same facts that is used by the post I replied to.

AFAIK Rogla is the only cyclists that has beaten Pogi at a GT, week long stage race, at monument and at nationals. If that is not the case feel free to correct me.

A long time ago.

 

[CyclistAbi]

A long time ago.

Yeah, others have been trying for years.

 

[topcat]

Palmares of Remco and Roglic combined:
5 vueltas and a giro
Couple of tour podiums
3 olympic gold
3 world titles
3 LBL's
Nothing else of major significance
(They're teammates so any future wins are for the team.)

 

[CyclistAbi]

Palmares of Remco and Roglic combined:
5 vueltas and a giro
Couple of tour podiums
3 olympic gold
3 world titles
3 LBL's
Nothing else of major significance
(They're teammates so any future wins are for the team.)

Together they are most complete rider.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Yeah, others have been trying for years.

To be fair, it is hard to win the Nationals against Pogacar for the vast majority.

 

[James M]

Remco isn’t close to Vingegaard level when it comes to climbing, nor does he match MvdP prowess in the classics. Essentially making his palmares looking like a Temu knockoff of Roglic atm. Its not rage bait if its true, so relax.

 

[proffate]

Palmares of Remco and Roglic combined:
5 vueltas and a giro
Couple of tour podiums
3 olympic gold
3 world titles
3 LBL's
Nothing else of major significance
(They're teammates so any future wins are for the team.)

Side note: Roglic started racing at about 27. Remco is currently 25. So their two careers don't quite sum to one normal full length career, but it's close.

 

[RedheadDane]

To be fair, it is hard to win the Nationals against Pogacar for the vast majority.

Vingegaard doesn't stand a chance, and Evenepoel can just forget about it!

 

[CyclistAbi]

To be fair, it is hard to win the Nationals against Pogacar for the vast majority.

Fair point, i mentioned it as it was a convincing win and to show on just how complete the collection of wins is. Anyway, feel free to disregard nationals, on when assembling the list.

 

[CyclistAbi]

As for Rogla and Remco potentially riding together, lets hope they do a couple of classics and GTs. It could be beneficial to both. If team politics would go against that, then i guess more of a separate schedules and there is still potential to win big, as team. We'll see.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

I'd like nothing better for this to turn it into a buddy movie with a happy ending. Ideally, Remco and Roglic collaborating on a big win or two to close our Roglic's career, and then collaborating on Remco taking down one or both of the top 3 (Pog, Vinge, MVDP) in a big event, setting him up for the future.

...I think it's more likely to go the way of UAE without Pogacar, though.

 

[red_flanders]

I'd like nothing better for this to turn it into a buddy movie with a happy ending. Ideally, Remco and Roglic collaborating on a big win or two to close our Roglic's career, and then collaborating on Remco taking down one or both of the top 3 (Pog, Vinge, MVDP) in a big event, setting him up for the future.

...I think it's more likely to go the way of UAE without Pogacar, though.

I wonder though, I feel like this isn't a Vingo vs Roglic thing so much anymore where Roglic rightly felt pushed out before his time, and Vingo/Visma rightly had to choose, and they chose the stronger GC rider.

Roglic is a couple years older, and Remco could sure use some help. Lipo is there for sure. Feel like there's an opportunity them to collaborate and make one another stronger. Let the road decide between the 3 obvious GC guys. And it doesn't have to be the road in the race, it can be in training and in the lead-up races where they figure out who's really the top rider in a given season, for a given race.

If a team doesn't have the top guy, having more than one guy who can threaten and attack isn't the worst plan. What else are you gonna do?

 

[Valv.Piti]

Don't think its that intelligent to bring Roglic to the Tour. Roglic is getting progressively worse at this point of his career, and RBH has a plethora of opportunities. Roglic should target some one week races, the Giro and the Vuelta where he can actually win instead of the Tour. I fail to see what he will bring to Lipowitz and Remco in TdF.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@red_flanders

They tried that already, with Rogla and Lipo and finished third, rather easily. So if they want more then some sacrifices will need to be made. Or i guess to be contempt with that and to just do it all over again. We'll see.

@Valv.Piti

Then again you failed to see it from the get go.

 

[peterfin]

They had a few great 1 vs 1 battles. Now I hope that 1 + 1 equals more than 2 and they help each other. I actually don't doubt they are a match. Remco talks a lot, Primoz less. So there won't be agitated discussions or awkward silences at the coffee corner. I can't wait to see them celebrating a victory together. And who knows, maybe @Red Rick starts to like Remco a little bit!

 

[Red Rick]

They had a few great 1 vs 1 battles. Now I hope that 1 + 1 equals more than 2 and they help each other. I actually don't doubt they are a match. Remco talks a lot, Primoz less. So there won't be agitated discussions or awkward silences at the coffee corner. I can't wait to see them celebrating a victory together. And who knows, maybe @Red Rick starts to like Remco a little bit!

1. If this happens it shall warrant a "ciclismo is back" copypasta
2. Who knows, but I readily admit Rogla is a better man than me.

 

[Valv.Piti]

@Valv.Piti

Then again you failed to see it from the get go.

I don't fail to see anything. I can't belive Roglic fans wants him go to the Tour again