Renshaws non selection in Worlds Team?

[Red Ace]

Is Renshaws non selection a Green Edge Thing?
If Mark Renshaw was riding for Green Edge next year do you think he would of got a start in the Australian Team for the Copenhagen World Championships. Let pretend a country has able to pick a team with any rider in the world available; Would they have picked Mark Renshaw??? Yes of course they would; he would of been the second rider picked. So how did he miss selection for Australia?

 

[El Pistolero]

Mark_Renshaw Mark Renshaw
Surprise surprise.... No world champs for me. Would like to say I understand but I don't. Guess I need to prove myself?

Blame the German.

 

[hrotha]

Australia is too cool to have their team selection discussed in the main thread.

 

[auscyclefan94]

He seems to of expected it even though he feels he deserved a spot. Something to do with Matt White?

 

[diggercuz]

I think i saw something about how he hasnt done that much in races of that distance.

personally i was surprised, and i think he is wicked fast, but can he lead out after a race has gone that long?

 

[hatcher]

Unless Sutton and Rogers are joining GE the theory doesn't make sense.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Unless Sutton and Rogers are joining GE the theory doesn't make sense.

Sutton and Rogers were always staying at Sky due to contracts. I was also thinking about the fact of what happened with Renshaw and Dean last year and the Garmin V HTC rivalry.

 

[greenedge]

I think the reason is they want to go for a multi faceted approach and they need cyclists who can last the distance and probably end up long Cav. Because If Renshaw were there at the end so would Cavendish and Swift. Hopefully Sutton/ Haussler can do a good lead out for Goss and survive to the end as an option if a crash or mechanical happens.

It does seem odd about Renshaws' omission but i am sure it's not about the GE issue.

 

[hatcher]

Sutton and Rogers were always staying at Sky due to contracts. I was also thinking about the fact of what happened with Renshaw and Dean last year and the Garmin V HTC rivalry.

That's my point. If GE riders were getting favoured surely Leigh Howard or Cam Meyer would be in for Sutton or Rogers, and Meyer would be doing the TT.

I imagine Renshaw wasn't picked because they don't believe he'll handle the distance.

 

[Winterfold]

On behalf of british cycling fans I extend our warmest thanks to the Aussie selectors

 

[Red Ace]

That's my point. If GE riders were getting favoured surely Leigh Howard or Cam Meyer would be in for Sutton or Rogers, and Meyer would be doing the TT.

I imagine Renshaw wasn't picked because they don't believe he'll handle the distance.

Britain plans to ride all day for Cavendish, (and that includes Wiggins!!). Clearly Sky investment to get Cav will make even more sense if he is wearing the World Champs Jersey.
I am surprised that people think that Mark Renshaw will not be able in sit in a bunch all day on a flat course behind the Sky team getting ready for a bunch sprint.
Surely the best tactical rider in a bunch sprint in the pro peloton wasn’t dropped due to the distance!!!

 

[Sydney21]

Odd ommission I agree. Perhaps it was a choice between Sutton and Renshaw and they chose Sutton because he won a stage at the Vuelta. With Hayman Cooke O'Grady Sutton and Haussler there isnt really room for any more sprinters.

It certainly sets a good precedent - you prove your form you make the team. Not that Renshaws form is particularly poor at the moment but youd expect someone out the back of a GT to be able to make the distance... Also from what I have heard the slight incline through the last k or the worlds course may be more suited to a Sutton lead out as opposed to a Renshaw one.

I thought it must have been the politicsa thing too but its not like Renshaw would have been shooting for rainbow anyway he would have been in the leadout. I guess its the old cliche of having to wait and see if it is a good decision...

 

[AussieGoddess]

I would suggest that politics and Renshaw choosing Rabo is a big reason.

Greenedge chased Renshaw very hard ... and the fact that he chose someone else smarts.

The fact that they chose Porte after he said no is interesting - perhaps the negotiations with Porte/Sutton and others were not so bitter.

 

[Sydney21]

I would suggest that politics and Renshaw choosing Rabo is a big reason.

Greenedge chased Renshaw very hard ... and the fact that he chose someone else smarts.

The fact that they chose Porte after he said no is interesting - perhaps the negotiations with Porte/Sutton and others were not so bitter.

Well thats not how the story went... I heard Renshaw had brief talks with GreenEdge but both sides agreed GE already had the riders they needed and that if Renshaw was on that team leading out Goss he might as well stay doing the job for Cav... When he said this he didnt sound bitter at all...

Never kno tho

 

[abbaskip]

Unless Sutton and Rogers are joining GE the theory doesn't make sense.

Sutton has much closer ties with Cycling Australia. His dad and uncle (even though he now coaches Britain) have very close ties with those with power in Australian Cycling. Renshaw has a patchy relationship. He was pulled out of the Athens Madison at the last minute too.

Sutton showed at the Vuelta he isn't great after a hard day either. He won the stage early on, but we saw little from him later.

 

[abbaskip]

I think the reason is they want to go for a multi faceted approach and they need cyclists who can last the distance and probably end up long Cav. Because If Renshaw were there at the end so would Cavendish and Swift. Hopefully Sutton/ Haussler can do a good lead out for Goss and survive to the end as an option if a crash or mechanical happens.

It does seem odd about Renshaws' omission but i am sure it's not about the GE issue.

Re: Sutton, see my post above. Haussler has done nothing this year to deserve selection.

Renshaw hasn't got a good relationship with Cycling Australia, and GreenEdge wouldn't have helped that. It isn't THE issue, but it's a part of the issue.

 

[movingtarget]

I would have left out Gerrans. They already have O'Grady, Hayman, Bobridge and Haussler to do the hard work and the chasing. The course does not suit Gerrans and I think his worth is outweighed by Renshaw's ability and experience with positioning the designated sprinter. If the course had hills Evans and Gerrans would have to start. If not Gerrans, Rogers should be left out. He has hardly raced all year and without form. Can't understand the non selection of Renshaw at all unless it is stupid politics. Goss has not been in great form lately. I think Clarke has done enough to deserve his spot. I have a feeling that Chris Sutton may do better than Goss.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

damn he could have helped goss take 6th rather then 7th.

 

[euanli]

So in 2009 the Aussies won the Worlds despite of their team politics. I wonder if this time they have really shot themselves in the foot by taking Haussler instead of Renshaw this time though.

 

[Red Ace]

Odd ommission I agree. Perhaps it was a choice between Sutton and Renshaw and they chose Sutton because he won a stage at the Vuelta. With Hayman Cooke O'Grady Sutton and Haussler there isnt really room for any more sprinters.

It certainly sets a good precedent - you prove your form you make the team. Not that Renshaws form is particularly poor at the moment but youd expect someone out the back of a GT to be able to make the distance... Also from what I have heard the slight incline through the last k or the worlds course may be more suited to a Sutton lead out as opposed to a Renshaw one....

Honestly I don’t understand how if you have something like Dowsett and Wiggins handing over to Miller and Thomas to set up Cav at the end of the worlds that you think CJ experience of one Veulta is a better option than Mark Renshaw experience at the Tour de France.
Sure CJ is a talent, but its not just about power and form.
The British are on the 2002 Italian Plan, I am afraid CJ will offer little in the way of a distraction for his Sky team mate at the end of the worlds once they lock in on the finish. However Renshaw is another story he will give the team options.. The rest of the world is laughing at the Australian selections

 

[sublimit]

Re: Sutton, see my post above. Haussler has done nothing this year to deserve selection.

Renshaw hasn't got a good relationship with Cycling Australia, and GreenEdge wouldn't have helped that. It isn't THE issue, but it's a part of the issue.

Sutton was quiet after the win but hung on very well and has those miles in his legs now. He's the sort of rider than can pull something out when you least expect it, so I reckon he deserves a go.

 

[woodie]

I think it's all politics, I mean Rogers? Good rider but done nothing all year due to sickness, surely he can't suddenly be super for worlds, and Haussler? He did nothing at the Vuelta, and pretty much nothing all year. Maybe there was no room for him but do the selectors really believe that Haussler or Sutton will do a better leadout?

Bloody politics

 

[Ferminal]

Britain plans to ride all day for Cavendish, (and that includes Wiggins!!). Clearly Sky investment to get Cav will make even more sense if he is wearing the World Champs Jersey.
I am surprised that people think that Mark Renshaw will not be able in sit in a bunch all day on a flat course behind the Sky team getting ready for a bunch sprint.
Surely the best tactical rider in a bunch sprint in the pro peloton wasn’t dropped due to the distance!!!

The course is not flat, it has over 1700m of climbing. That is usually enough to make sprinters complain on a 180km GT stage, this is a 260km WCRR.

Team GB will not be in the top5 strongest in the race, they will also want to make it as easy as possible. The Dutch and Belgian teams will want to make it as hard as possible, Spain too. Italy and Australia will want things somewhere in the middle.

All these teams are stronger than GB, USA and Germany, who want an easy sprint finish.

Whoever is running last man for a sprinter, needs to be strong enough to hold early goers like Gilbert within a reasonable distance, as the genuine sprinters will need to hold their effort until the very end. The leadout will be much more about strength than it is positioning.

As Sydney mentioned Sutton was able to hold his nerve on a similar finish in his Vuelta win so he fits in this role too. If Renshaw was there he would be better used as the 2nd last man, guiding them around the corner and then letting the strong one drag the sprinter up the straight. If Gerrans has saved his legs he would be suitable for that, but on the form of others he may be sprinting himself.

Australia is no chance unless Goss or Haussler make a miraculous turnaround in form. If Evans was still around they may as well have given him outright leadership. If Renshaw was competitive and got a good result in Hamburg or Plouay then there would have been compelling reasons not just to have him in the team, but to have him leading. None of them deserve to be picked on form, so you have to look at their record. Therefore I don't see it as absurd that they are picking this year's M-SR winner, someone who has actually won a one dayer this year, and someone who was fiercely competitive in the three flat monuments 2 seasons ago - over someone who has had very limited success in these types of races.

 

[euanli]

Anyway this entire discussion is moot, Sagan is going to win

 

[El Pistolero]

Anyway this entire discussion is moot, Sagan is going to win

Yeah, like he won in Milan-San Remo, Amstel Gold Race, Paris-Roubaix, Liége-Bastogne-Liége right?

Sagan can't handle the length yet, it's painfully obvious.