Renshaws non selection in Worlds Team?

[Captain_Cavman]

Meh, I am little annoyed with all the talk regarding renshaw in the team. The final sprint was so messy that it was ultimately every man for himself in that final 500m. It was a crazy sprint. If Goss kicked a little earlier he could of beaten Cavendish. He didn't. Renshaw wouldnt of changed that. If Gossy was 1/2 a wheel further ahead, this talk would of been non-evident.

I was wondering when the Aussies were going to start inventing scenarios in which Goss might have won.

Cavendish was on his wheel, the later Goss went, the further in front Cavendish was going to cross the line.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I was wondering when the Aussies were going to start inventing scenarios in which Goss might have won.

Cavendish was on his wheel, the later Goss went, the further in front Cavendish was going to cross the line.

That makes no sense at all. Goss hesistated a fair bit once Cav launched his sprint. You could see Goss was coming over the top of Cav. He didn't win and we know Cav is faster. Don't be so nationalistic by trying to make all Aussies seem like sore losers.

 

[sublimit]

Mick Rogers says he and the Australian team got the job done? Am I missing something here?

Still I'm glad Renshaw didn't join Greenedge, he might come back to haunt them hopefully.

 

[cineteq]

Anyone who leads out Cavendish is the best leadout man in the world.

Exactly!

Bottom line:
Should Renshaw have been included? Yes, by all means.
Would have made any difference in the outcome of the race? Most likely NOT.

As White said:
"Renshaw's hypothetical performance may have been there are no guarantees he would have done a better job."

 

[Tragic]

Anyone who leads out Cavendish is the best leadout man in the world.

I was just going to say something like that. All the rest is coulda, shoulda, woulda. Both teams rode a good race. Cav timed it right, Goss hesitated a fraction----race over.

Still, silver not a bad result.

 

[Captain_Cavman]

That makes no sense at all. Goss hesistated a fair bit once Cav launched his sprint. You could see Goss was coming over the top of Cav. He didn't win and we know Cav is faster. Don't be so nationalistic by trying to make all Aussies seem like sore losers.

Started earlier, started later, if only. Goss's chance went the moment Cavendish ended up on his wheel. Cavendish knew he'd won from the moment he kicked away, you can see it on his face. Whether Goss ended up half a bike length away or ten lengths away, the result was never in doubt, Cavendish had it under control. Don't try and rewrite history, Goss did well to get second, but that was all that was on offer.

 

[abbaskip]

Started earlier, started later, if only. Goss's chance went the moment Cavendish ended up on his wheel. Cavendish knew he'd won from the moment he kicked away, you can see it on his face. Whether Goss ended up half a bike length away or ten lengths away, the result was never in doubt, Cavendish had it under control. Don't try and rewrite history, Goss did well to get second, but that was all that was on offer.

Did well? He was easily second. And it wasn't "never in doubt once Cav was on his wheel"? Goss was closing fast, and add has been mentioned, he sat on Cav when he first started sprinting. Cav getting good wheel didn't secure the win. If Goss went slightly earlier he could have won. As it was, another ten metres and he had it. He left his run too late. Cav had a better kick, and better timing, but wasn't faster on this occasion.

That is why Renshaw may have made a difference. Who knows what would have happened if he was there, it's purely hypothetical and Cav is deservedly the world champion. But Renshaw wouldn't have left the gap down the barrier open. And a kick loses it's impetuous a bit when you have a really good lead out, as the pace is higher, so harder to jump away from. It also makes it a little easier to time a sprint (remember the sprint Cav mistimed and lost to Greipel in the tdf was without a leadout).

 

[movingtarget]

Mick Rogers says he and the Australian team got the job done? Am I missing something here?

Still I'm glad Renshaw didn't join Greenedge, he might come back to haunt them hopefully.

Renshaw made the right move going to Rabobank. There wil be so many sprinters in the Greenedge team that would have probably ended up as someone else's leadout man. He will get opportunities at Rabobank and I hope he does well. Bos and Matthews won't ride all of the same races as Renshaw but even if they do, they should be able to get some wins between them.

 

[Ferminal]

Mick Rogers says he and the Australian team got the job done? Am I missing something here?

Still I'm glad Renshaw didn't join Greenedge, he might come back to haunt them hopefully.

Silver is a great result given the position they were in a month ago. This is seemingly being overlooked a little (not so much in this debate, but the wider post-mortem of the race).

 

[sublimit]

Silver is a great result given the position they were in a month ago. This is seemingly being overlooked a little (not so much in this debate, but the wider post-mortem of the race).

Impressed with Goss I must admit.. He's very quick.
Maybe on another day he could of taken the win.

 

[Ragerod]

Did well? He was easily second. And it wasn't "never in doubt once Cav was on his wheel"? Goss was closing fast, and add has been mentioned, he sat on Cav when he first started sprinting. Cav getting good wheel didn't secure the win. If Goss went slightly earlier he could have won. As it was, another ten metres and he had it. He left his run too late. Cav had a better kick, and better timing, but wasn't faster on this occasion.

If that's an observation from the last 50 metres consider Cavendish opened up so much earlier than Goss he was bound to fade in the last 50m. The only guy that matched Cav's speed was Greipel but he was coming from way back.

Renshaw may have given Goss the freedom to open up whenever he liked but I'd put money of Cav being able to come past Goss 90% of the time.

 

[abbaskip]

If that's an observation from the last 50 metres consider Cavendish opened up so much earlier than Goss he was bound to fade in the last 50m. The only guy that matched Cav's speed was Greipel but he was coming from way back.

Renshaw may have given Goss the freedom to open up whenever he liked but I'd put money of Cav being able to come past Goss 90% of the time.

Cav only jumped ahead of Goss before Goss opened up...Goss jumped onto Cavendish's wheel. And then left it too late to try and accelerate past.

Not sure how you can say Greipel coming from way back matched his speed, but Goss didn't when Goss was coming over him at the end, just as Greipel was approaching them at the end (but Cancellara was actually going past Greipel at the end - a metre after the line, Cancellara had third)

 

[movingtarget]

Cav only jumped ahead of Goss before Goss opened up...Goss jumped onto Cavendish's wheel. And then left it too late to try and accelerate past.

Not sure how you can say Greipel coming from way back matched his speed, but Goss didn't when Goss was coming over him at the end, just as Greipel was approaching them at the end (but Cancellara was actually going past Greipel at the end - a metre after the line, Cancellara had third)

Renshaw reacts an eye blink earlier and the race was his. From where Cavendish was positioned he could have been boxed in but did well to get clear. That's racing.

 

[Old School]

Cav only jumped ahead of Goss before Goss opened up...Goss jumped onto Cavendish's wheel. And then left it too late to try and accelerate past.

Not sure how you can say Greipel coming from way back matched his speed, but Goss didn't when Goss was coming over him at the end, just as Greipel was approaching them at the end (but Cancellara was actually going past Greipel at the end - a metre after the line, Cancellara had third)

Given this^^^, why doesn't Cancellara sprint more often? He probably could pull out a few Grand Tour victories to add to TT stages wins as well. Just asking...

 

[abbaskip]

Given this^^^, why doesn't Cancellara sprint more often? He probably could pull out a few Grand Tour victories to add to TT stages wins as well. Just asking...

He doesn't have a super kick, it'd tire his muscles loads and this sprint was slightly uphill and harder than normal.

 

[Ragerod]

Cav only jumped ahead of Goss before Goss opened up...Goss jumped onto Cavendish's wheel. And then left it too late to try and accelerate past.

Not sure how you can say Greipel coming from way back matched his speed, but Goss didn't when Goss was coming over him at the end, just as Greipel was approaching them at the end (but Cancellara was actually going past Greipel at the end - a metre after the line, Cancellara had third)

It was Greipel that knicked it from Cancellara. I can say Greipel matched Cav's speed because the lead Cavendish had on Greipel when they started sprinting was similar to the lead he had as he crossed the line, Cav gained ground on everyone else.

Watch the overhead here (@7:53) and you'll see what I mean, Greipel's farthest left.

 

[Winterfold]

Once Cav was on Goss's wheel he was never going to be beaten by Goss. Its very clear when you watch the repeats he elects to stay on Goss's wheel when GT is looking for him.

Goss came back because Cav was already celebrating - if the course was 50m longer, Cav would just have sprinted 50m later.

Tactically it is difficult to fault - Goss was fresh so hijacking the Aussie leadout was a winning move.

Greipel was sprinting for a finish line 200m down the road as he so often does.

I have been very critical and grateful for the decision to leave Renshaw out - I am not sure it changes things, but it is still a questionable decision.

 

[oncehadhair]

Once Cav was on Goss's wheel he was never going to be beaten by Goss. Its very clear when you watch the repeats he elects to stay on Goss's wheel when GT is looking for him.

Goss came back because Cav was already celebrating - if the course was 50m longer, Cav would just have sprinted 50m later.

Tactically it is difficult to fault - Goss was fresh so hijacking the Aussie leadout was a winning move.

Greipel was sprinting for a finish line 200m down the road as he so often does.

I have been very critical and grateful for the decision to leave Renshaw out - I am not sure it changes things, but it is still a questionable decision.

Once Goss started his sprint in earnest he was gaining on Cavendish all the way to the finish. 50 metres out is a long way out to celebrate victory - even for Cav.

 

[The Sheep]

If Renshaw was German it would have made a difference

 

[Polyarmour]

Not that I want to rub salt into the wound or anything, but I just noticed that Renshaw finished alongside Goss at the end of the 300km Classic Milan San Remo and Cav was dropped. So much for Renshaw not going the distance.

 

[abbaskip]

Not that I want to rub salt into the wound or anything, but I just noticed that Renshaw finished alongside Goss at the end of the 300km Classic Milan San Remo and Cav was dropped. So much for Renshaw not going the distance.

Yeah I was thinking the same.

But we all knew the selectors were making excuses. Wonder what it'll be when they leave him out of Olympics this year? That he isn't a lead out any more, and they only need one sprinter?

 

[AussieGoddess]

I did have a quiet chuckle at this at the time as well

certainly the selections for the olympics will be interesting