Renshaws non selection in Worlds Team?

[abbaskip]

Haha. Ferminal, i'm glad you were man enough to post before you were slammed.

Haussler kept the pace high (I wonder how he would have gone going for himself), but it wasn't that much of a lead out. And it was so close, I think Renshaw would have made the difference.

 

[Galic Ho]

Haha. Ferminal, i'm glad you were man enough to post before you were slammed.

Haussler kept the pace high (I wonder how he would have gone going for himself), but it wasn't that much of a lead out. And it was so close, I think Renshaw would have made the difference.

Your not the only one. I hope someone has some good answers for this. But three world chamipionships medals covering all three colours in the mens RR in the last three events is a good result regardless.

 

[Polyarmour]

Silver for Goss is a great result. The Brits earned their stripes after that effort, Cav makes a good world champion, he deserves it too with that Palmares. Renshaw was a lost opportunity but that's history now. It must have been difficult for him to watch that finish. What a great race.

 

[Winterfold]

Thank you again Aussie selectors!!!

What a bunch of morons. We're glad of it over here though.

 

[abbaskip]

Thank you again Aussie selectors!!!

What a bunch of morons. We're glad of it over here though.

We're generally used to this on selection of our sporting teams now. They're just as bad in the cricket. Though that seems to be turning around a bit. That finish had Renshaw from 400 written all over it.

Imagine Haussler launching his effort from ~1km (albeit winding up slower) then Renshaw going from 400.

 

[Red Ace]

The course is not flat, it has over 1700m of climbing. That is usually enough to make sprinters complain on a 180km GT stage, this is a 260km WCRR.

Team GB will not be in the top5 strongest in the race, they will also want to make it as easy as possible. The Dutch and Belgian teams will want to make it as hard as possible, Spain too. Italy and Australia will want things somewhere in the middle.

All these teams are stronger than GB, USA and Germany, who want an easy sprint finish....

It is time to remind Ferminal of some of the crazy comments made on this thread. The British team were always going set Cavendish up for the win, it was obvious it was going to be a bunch sprint on at that course. Surely you where not serious about the 1700m of climbing.. Renshaw should have been in the team.. Why wasn't he?

The real concern was the way Ferminal swallowed the Cycling Australia Company Line on this subject, or the way he/she fought for it!!

Remember this is a forum, where generally you can you can keep the *******s honest by allowing the lone voice to question whats going on. However through this thread here I get called a creep and a troll for Questioning the decision. It time people opened their eyes..

 

[Ferminal]

I'm sorry for misreading the course, could I please be forgiven? I will have to work hard to recover any forum cred I may have once had

Edit: And the strength of GB, beasts...

 

[Red Ace]

Yeah, a troll on an account that was inactive for 2 years trying to ridicule Ferminal's knowledge. Not even ACF/DT try to troll this hard.

But the issue remains Ferminal why wasn’t Renshaw picked?

A number of senior members on this forum circled the wagons when the suggestion came that mark renshaws non selection was political. I even got called "Renshaws mum" during this discussion for suggesting his non selection was wrong.

As stated in the thread Australia was always riding for Gossy; the fitness concerns where just the classic whitey smoke screen so Cav wouldn’t put pressure on Gossy to put a couple of Aussies in the chase. No other country in the world would have left Mark Renshaw out of their finishing train for the 2011 World Championships; why Australia?.

Plus that stuff about Renshaw being left out because of the distance was laughable, any bike rider will tell you distance alone is not serious indication of stress if you are free wheeling on a flat course back in the peloton. This was no Classic.. can’t believe people fell for that rubbish..

 

[Ferminal]

I don't know, I'm not too interested in such conspiracies, but it surprises me that the "Green Edge Selectors" would sacrifice Goss in the stripes at their team next season as a reason to get back at Renshaw for something he has/hasn't done. If I were Goss I'd be furious. I hope Renshaw makes amends with the selectors otherwise he will be left out again, which would be a shame as if London is as flat as it sounds he would be an asset there too.

 

[mb2612]

200m to go and Goss was second in line, Australia did an excellent lead out, you can't blame Goss for being slower than Cav.

Renshaw might have helped, but Aus put Goss in the perfect position and I don't think anyone can complain about that

 

[sublimit]

Whenever Renshaw is on a startlist on a flat course everybody should sit up and take notice - Still shocked he didn't ride as Brit supporter.
It would of made for a better finish with Thomas leading out Cav and Renshaw with Goss.

Renshaw is tactically so astute as well as having great legs but there you go, this stuff with not being able to ride over 270 K is laughable.
I thought it was rubbish but seeing these races thats even more dumb than I first thought.

 

[Ragerod]

200m to go and Goss was second in line, Australia did an excellent lead out, you can't blame Goss for being slower than Cav.

Renshaw might have helped, but Aus put Goss in the perfect position and I don't think anyone can complain about that

Hardly. Sagan got on Haussler's wheel, Goss was forced to follow him and was unable to open up his sprint at the ideal time because the only gap had been filled by Cavendish. Then he was always playing catch-up.

Not taking one of the best lead-out men in the world and a team-mate of Goss, in hindsight, was a big mistake.

 

[abbaskip]

I even got called "Renshaws mum" during this discussion for suggesting his non selection was wrong.

Wasn't a bad guess, to be fair.

 

[abbaskip]

Hardly. Sagan got on Haussler's wheel, Goss was forced to follow him and was unable to open up his sprint at the ideal time because the only gap had been filled by Cavendish. Then he was always playing catch-up.

Not taking one of the best lead-out men in the world and a team-mate of Goss, in hindsight, was a big mistake.

Yep, 100%. And Goss was closing fast as it was. Another fifteen metres, or a proper lead out and we could have had a different world champion

 

[mb2612]

Yep, 100%. And Goss was closing fast as it was. Another fifteen metres, or a proper lead out and we could have had a different world champion

It was an excellent lead out, Sagan taking Haussler's wheel is Goss' fault not Hausslers, people on this thread seem to be giving Renshaw super powers

 

[slartiblartfast]

Still the course was non selective, especially given the tremendous effort of the GB team to bring back breakaways throughout the race. I also have to go back on a previous post and say that Renshaw should have been there. He has a right to feel dudded.

Whether Renshaw's presence would have made any difference to the result is a moot point but he could have been very useful. Goss actually did well considering the distance he gained on every other top sprinter in the world bar one.

 

[SirLes]

Renshaw wasn't needed anyway. Cav managed to win without him.

 

[El Pistolero]

Good on Haussler for showing his team spirit though.

 

[happychappy]

Renshaw wasn't needed anyway. Cav managed to win without him.

Oh you

 

[oncehadhair]

20 20 hindsight. Unbelievable.

 

[Boardslide]

One of the reasons the Aussie selectors left Renshaw out was incase Cav used him as a leadout, when infact he said he decided to use Goss as his leadout instead as he was well placed in those last 500 meters. The selectors must be feeling a bit silly now especially as Goss has been his leadout on many occaisons in the past.

 

[Ragerod]

It was an excellent lead out, Sagan taking Haussler's wheel is Goss' fault not Hausslers, people on this thread seem to be giving Renshaw super powers

It's not that simple. A great lead-out man won't go through gaps that are closing too quickly and make moves that their sprinter simply can't follow in a hectic situation. Haussler has proven on multiple occasions that he doesn't have the ideal lead-out man mentality and doesn't have the benefit of spending years in the most well-drilled sprinting outfit in cycling.

The major problem with the Australian train was that despite having four riders perfectly in-line going into the final corner, the peloton went from two wide going in and to single file coming out so the train was split by Freire, Boom and Sagan.

To prevent this the Aussies could have gone really hard with 1.2km to go and forced the peloton to go through the last corner single file or following the corner they simply could've gone full gas and had faith in that Goss could come round whoever was in Haussler's wheel.

Although the inexplicable thing with the Australian lead-out was that the penultimate lead-out man (O'Grady?) sat up with Freire and the other Australian which slowed the peloton and put Haussler in the wind sooner. I'm not saying Renshaw would've fixed all of the errors but I would have had more faith in them getting it right.

In contras, despite doing all the work, GB still had Thomas riding alongside Cav with 600 to go offering support if he needed to move up but Cav was happy on Goss' wheel.

 

[BigChain]

Renshaw's non-selection smacks of something political. He either did or said something that wasn't appreciated and didn't do or say something he should have. Either way it had to be a political decision to leave him out and now the selectors have egg on their face.

Everyone should be asking some pretty tough questions of Matty White and Cycling Australia. God forbid we hark back to the days of Charlie Walsh.

 

[BigChain]

Renshaw's non-selection smacks of something political. He either did or said something that wasn't appreciated and didn't do or say something he should have. Either way it had to be a political decision to leave him out and now the selectors have egg on their face.

Everyone should be asking some pretty tough questions of Matty White and Cycling Australia. God forbid we hark back to the days of Charlie Walsh.

White says he stands by his non-selection of Renshaw - http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/white-stands-by-renshaws-non-selection
However it's just plain rubbish to say that Renshaw couldn't ride a 260km race when every sprinter not caught up in the crash made it to the bunch sprint and Cav as we well know was also right there at the finish.

 

[clipperton]

He either did or said something that wasn't appreciated and didn't do or say something he should have.

don't really have to think too hard on this one:
recently: joined rabobank rather than greenedge
less recently: bagged out ca for taking out a long-term deal to hold the national champs on a non-sprinter friendly course at bunniyong, threatened to boycott them.

greenedge will have lost a lot of goodwill amongst australians over this.